I got the other two (the old guy in the white hat was the only black guy I originally saw) but I can't find the first guy you're referring to.
I've been to New York...
next to the guy holding the sign is a tall cracka with green shirt and hat, over his shoulder is a black guy with dark sunglasses but all you can see is his forehead.
Might be a puertorican for all i know but my superior honky racial profiling powers sees all..
Might be a puertorican for all i know but my superior honky racial profiling powers sees all..
Nice catch.
We'll call it 3. Black support for the Teatards has tripled since the beginning of this thread. That's an incredible groundswell of support from minorities, you have to admit.
edit: We should probably say doubled though...all those originalists in the crowd, y'know?
We'll call it 3. Black support for the Teatards has tripled since the beginning of this thread. That's an incredible groundswell of support from minorities, you have to admit.
edit: We should probably say doubled though...all those originalists in the crowd, y'know?
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Construction Complete On 9/11 Truther Memorial
SEPTEMBER 7, 2010 | ISSUE 46•36
UNDISCLOSED—On a remote patch of Kansas prairie believed to fall outside the range of U.N. spy satellites, construction is finally complete on the long- awaited 9/11 Truther Memorial, sources confirmed Wednesday.
Funded by donations from dozens of websites and fringe publishers, and dedicated to "the fearless amateur research and bold guesswork" of those seeking to "expose the secret machinations of the world's true puppet masters," the 7,000-square-foot monument has already attracted hundreds of visitors.
"It was a long time coming, but at last it's here," said Don Gustaf, a blogger who drove from Cincinnati to see the site. "This will stand forever in tribute to those who lost their lives the day clandestine CIA operatives used advanced wireless technology to electronically hijack a pair of 767s and remotely fly them into the World Trade Center."
Created by a design team who chose to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals from the Bilderberg Group, the memorial has as its centerpiece the "Truth Towers," a 60-foot-tall replica of the World Trade Center that houses a museum devoted to unanswered questions surrounding the attacks. Below it lies a pentagonal reflecting pool from which emerge 18 steps leading to the base of the monument, with each stair intended to symbolize one of the 18 Great Lies of the 9/11 conspiracy.
"This is a place where Americans can come to reflect on the most elaborate hoax in our nation's history," said Carol Bowerman, 53, wiping away tears as she walked passed a 15-foot granite cylinder representing the cruise missile used to fake a plane crash at the Pentagon. "On this hallowed ground, those of us who refuse to accept the official version of events can mourn the day the United States was taken over by a crypto-fascist cabal more powerful than anyone can imagine."
"It's so moving," Bowerman added.
The museum is free and open to the public, though $10 is charged for admittance to the theater screening an endless 12-second loop of the building at World Trade Center 7 collapsing, an event a modulated voice-over describes as an obvious controlled demolition.
The collection also includes an interactive exhibit demonstrating how President Bush was able to calmly finish reading a book to second-graders on 9/11 because he knew about the strikes in advance and thus the news didn't alarm him in the slightest.
Response to the memorial from members of the truther community has been positive.
"A dozen brilliant lights—one for each of the 12 charges used to bring down the World Trade Center—boldly shine their truth upon our ignorant world," read a review of the memorial on the website IlluminatiFAQs.com. "Perhaps most profound is the eternal flame, placed directly beneath a beam of reinforced steel to remind us there's no way burning jet fuel can melt steel, as the main stream media would have us believe."
The reviewer goes on to state that even the convoluted landscaping suggests the way a labyrinthine network of federal agencies, defense contractors, and oil companies went to enormous lengths to make it look as though an Egyptian man leading a group of 15 Saudi Arabians had attacked the United States, then used this as a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan to gain access to priceless Central Asian pipelines and begin devaluing the American dollar in preparation for an economic war with China that will plummet the global econ≠omy into a massive depression from which a single fascist corporate state will eventually emerge.
"Look, there's Joel," visitor Lance Mattson told reporters, pointing to a wall listing the names of the several thousand Jews who received advanced warning not to go into work on 9/11. "It's just so moving to think—hey, why are you asking so many questions, anyway? Who sent you here?"
"Oh my God, this is all part of it, isn't it?" Mattson added. "I should have known! This whole place is just another conspiracy to placate those brave enough to speak the truth."
Mattson then excused himself and rushed past a series of bronze bas-reliefs charting the connections between the Carlyle Group, Donald Rumsfeld, and the bin Laden family.
At press time, no members of the Trilateral Commission, New World Order, or the committee in charge of constructing the 9/11 memorial at the Ground Zero site in Lower Manhattan were available for comment.
SEPTEMBER 7, 2010 | ISSUE 46•36
UNDISCLOSED—On a remote patch of Kansas prairie believed to fall outside the range of U.N. spy satellites, construction is finally complete on the long- awaited 9/11 Truther Memorial, sources confirmed Wednesday.
Funded by donations from dozens of websites and fringe publishers, and dedicated to "the fearless amateur research and bold guesswork" of those seeking to "expose the secret machinations of the world's true puppet masters," the 7,000-square-foot monument has already attracted hundreds of visitors.
"It was a long time coming, but at last it's here," said Don Gustaf, a blogger who drove from Cincinnati to see the site. "This will stand forever in tribute to those who lost their lives the day clandestine CIA operatives used advanced wireless technology to electronically hijack a pair of 767s and remotely fly them into the World Trade Center."
Created by a design team who chose to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals from the Bilderberg Group, the memorial has as its centerpiece the "Truth Towers," a 60-foot-tall replica of the World Trade Center that houses a museum devoted to unanswered questions surrounding the attacks. Below it lies a pentagonal reflecting pool from which emerge 18 steps leading to the base of the monument, with each stair intended to symbolize one of the 18 Great Lies of the 9/11 conspiracy.
"This is a place where Americans can come to reflect on the most elaborate hoax in our nation's history," said Carol Bowerman, 53, wiping away tears as she walked passed a 15-foot granite cylinder representing the cruise missile used to fake a plane crash at the Pentagon. "On this hallowed ground, those of us who refuse to accept the official version of events can mourn the day the United States was taken over by a crypto-fascist cabal more powerful than anyone can imagine."
"It's so moving," Bowerman added.
The museum is free and open to the public, though $10 is charged for admittance to the theater screening an endless 12-second loop of the building at World Trade Center 7 collapsing, an event a modulated voice-over describes as an obvious controlled demolition.
The collection also includes an interactive exhibit demonstrating how President Bush was able to calmly finish reading a book to second-graders on 9/11 because he knew about the strikes in advance and thus the news didn't alarm him in the slightest.
Response to the memorial from members of the truther community has been positive.
"A dozen brilliant lights—one for each of the 12 charges used to bring down the World Trade Center—boldly shine their truth upon our ignorant world," read a review of the memorial on the website IlluminatiFAQs.com. "Perhaps most profound is the eternal flame, placed directly beneath a beam of reinforced steel to remind us there's no way burning jet fuel can melt steel, as the main stream media would have us believe."
The reviewer goes on to state that even the convoluted landscaping suggests the way a labyrinthine network of federal agencies, defense contractors, and oil companies went to enormous lengths to make it look as though an Egyptian man leading a group of 15 Saudi Arabians had attacked the United States, then used this as a pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan to gain access to priceless Central Asian pipelines and begin devaluing the American dollar in preparation for an economic war with China that will plummet the global econ≠omy into a massive depression from which a single fascist corporate state will eventually emerge.
"Look, there's Joel," visitor Lance Mattson told reporters, pointing to a wall listing the names of the several thousand Jews who received advanced warning not to go into work on 9/11. "It's just so moving to think—hey, why are you asking so many questions, anyway? Who sent you here?"
"Oh my God, this is all part of it, isn't it?" Mattson added. "I should have known! This whole place is just another conspiracy to placate those brave enough to speak the truth."
Mattson then excused himself and rushed past a series of bronze bas-reliefs charting the connections between the Carlyle Group, Donald Rumsfeld, and the bin Laden family.
At press time, no members of the Trilateral Commission, New World Order, or the committee in charge of constructing the 9/11 memorial at the Ground Zero site in Lower Manhattan were available for comment.
somewhere 3D and rick have their pants unzipped....
no, the quality images have been captured. Try to bare in mind that it is the pentagon not a goddamn wallmart.
You're right... driving, flying, crashing, sliding, swooshing (or what ever f ing verb u choose) without leaving as much as golfer's sized divot... huh? neat
Care to elaborate with that there? Or are talking about a different pentagon?Yes??
especially if you think this
is how the plane impacted the pentagon.
Or are you not even reading whats posted before inserting such bass ackwards rubbish?
That picture represents the official version (that you believe in), not mine. Thanks for solidifying my point further.
Amazing that a camera shooting at 0.5 frames per second doesn't show the whole story.
Hell I've done shltty x-ups that barely got captured at 24fps. Probably moving at 800mph as well.
Hell I've done shltty x-ups that barely got captured at 24fps. Probably moving at 800mph as well.
its not the quality of the blur that's in question, it's the size. does your front wheel resemble the diameter of a 12" kids bike during those bar spins? prolly not
and once more.. what about the lawn?
and once more.. what about the lawn?
^^ 
finally, immortality... you better not you bastardQuoted to preserve the awesome.
it's their zapruder film....let them have it party pooper.
she wouldn't move that fast if you shot her out of a catapult.....
she would move that fast for a plate of cheeseburgers...
I realize that arguing with you is pointless, but hey, I do lots of pointless stuff!
You are telling me that the aircraft came in level and only inches above the ground? I never heard about that.
Yes it is possible to fly over a lawn without leaving even a divot.
This picture was in which "Official Version"? I admit I have not seen the full "Official Version". Maybe you can cite the government document which contains this quality photochop?Care to elaborate with that there? Or are talking about a different pentagon?
Or are you not even reading whats posted before inserting such bass ackwards rubbish?
That picture represents the official version (that you believe in), not mine. Thanks for solidifying my point further.
You are telling me that the aircraft came in level and only inches above the ground? I never heard about that.
Don't worry woo your x-ups are just fine.
only if they were between a roofied 15 year old cheerleaders legs.
Government acquisition procedures always result in high-definition super-high-resolution image-stopping cameras in parking lots.
I'd also like to know how they killed everyone on Flight 77 and loaded so many identifiable remains, along with much of the identifiable parts of not just a 757, but Flight 77's plane in particular, onto a cruise missile which they then loaded onto a plane which fired it into the wall of the Pentagon just a short time later.
The mystery of how it flew over the lawn without blowing up the grass also weighs heavily on my mind.
I'd also like to know how they killed everyone on Flight 77 and loaded so many identifiable remains, along with much of the identifiable parts of not just a 757, but Flight 77's plane in particular, onto a cruise missile which they then loaded onto a plane which fired it into the wall of the Pentagon just a short time later.
The mystery of how it flew over the lawn without blowing up the grass also weighs heavily on my mind.
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they film that sh*t in IMAX...don't they?
....maybe they would believe a big black plane shaped hole painted on the side of the pentagon......
I realize that arguing with you is pointless, but hey, I do lots of pointless stuff!
I like to think of it as more of a pointless debate with no real beginning or end. Its all rather humorous, the official version (absolutely ridiculous) and most of the half baked nut job theories as well.Here, take a look at all of NISTs official pictures and explanations, government bought and approved for our viewing pleasure
http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
The plane supposedly folded itself precisely into its own hole (which was under sized) without leaving much more than a boogie board sized piece of fuselage conveniently placed 50 or so yards from the side wall of the pentagon. Meanwhile the remaining 225000lbs of plane debris simply vanished/melted/disintegrated/whatever to the point of showing no trace other than a wheel rim that closely resembles that of a 757 and coincidentally a global hawk plan. The section of engine that was shown to the public has been deemed highly controversial.
Yes of course it is, but impossible when there is 20ft of plane height missing from the video. What happened to the extra height if it didn't gouge itself through the earth?? Remember the 757 stands taller than half the height of the pentagons side wall at its tallest point.
No, our government is telling us this, not me.
They are, but I prefer his
O the good old days, huh kid?
fvcking magnets
So if one was to be considered an idiot for believing that the 757 struck the pentagon in the way the above picture illustrates, what would that make some of you and the rest of the world out to be?Yes??
especially if you think this
is how the plane impacted the pentagon.
anyone care to explain this contradiction?
No, just not well informed. 1) WTF about DOD-only nano powders? I can buy nano powders. They're used in chemistry, and the only special thing about them is that they are ground up extra fine, thus having more surface area, which improves yield in some, but not all, reactions. 2) As far as I can tell, the "scientists" that "found" there was tons thermite all over are either willfully conducting sh1tty investigations to get publicity generating results or are incompetent as scientists. Probably both.
Also, food for thought, although I am sure it won't convince anyone buying a conspiracy swamp: a tremendous hole in conspiracy theories across the board has to do with the nature of the people and the competence of the organizations involved. People are teh suck at keeping secrets, and governments or large organizations are not known for being particularly awesome at getting things done quietly, efficiently, or, really, at all. Planning, coordinating, executing, and then covering up the installation of a public toilet would be a logistical problem bordering on or well into the impossible.
(Conversely, if your organization had the wherewithal to organize and then cover up tremendous amounts of actually important stuff, the group definitely would not be so incompetent as to leave loose ends.)
Your problem is that your using "logic" and "evidence" when you think/talk about this with the conspiracy nuts. We can't be having that.
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Even if it is easy to acquire, still does not explain all the other anomalies associated with those buildings falling into their own footprints so neatly. What about building #7, all rebuttals seem to steer completely around the unanswered questions with this collapse?
Whistle blowers come along quite often, unfortunately they are usually stopped dead in there tracks not by our government, but by people like yourself who take an aspect that can be doubted and use it to discredit an ocean of unanswered, legitimate questions its now in modern times a self regulating system that needs no real enforcement.
The strange occurrences with the pentagon shown above are enough for me to realize there is foul play here and an enormous amount of half truths and cover ups I dont need to be a chemist to realize this.
There was things that happened that day that were almost magician like and I dont find smoke and mirrors entertaining.
But hey, the more society turns their cheek to it and considers it all good, the longer we will be held from the truth and its motives of that pale day in history.
Still waiting for the contradiction of the above plane impact though
Take a real look at some of the explainations the authorities have fed us like the plane impact angle and elevation above the grass at the pentagon that was considered so idiotic, and ask yourself about that logic thingy your so proud of.Your problem is that your using "logic" and "evidence" when you think/talk about this with the conspiracy nuts. We can't be having that.
just to keep it alive
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Thank you! I had not read this.
Well here's the "official" story:
Doesn't sound all that crazy to me.
Ok so lets go to the official document again:
I can believe that a plane hitting a concrete and steel reinforced structure at several hundred mph would essentially disintegrate.
Is this the video frame you are talking about?
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I don't see anything suggesting that the plane is missing 20 ft. Honestly I can't even tell if the whole plane is in the frame or not. Is that the tail or is that the white buildings in the background which are shown in figures 3.4 - 3.7? Also in your calculation of the height of the plane have you included adjustments for perspective? Figure 3.14 and 3.15 show that the plane was approaching at an angle to the front of the building so the distance between the plane and the camera would be different than the distance between the camera and the Pentagon.
My bad. You were right about the approach angle to the pentagon.So if one was to be considered an idiot for believing that the 757 struck the pentagon in the way the above picture illustrates, what would that make some of you and the rest of the world out to be?
anyone care to explain this contradiction?
I dunno the explanation of "a bigass aircraft crashed into some buildings and blew that sh!t up" seems pretty plausible to me.
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*sigh* Its okay. I understand you just have a desperate need to live in a world where everything has an explanation, and and it all fits in a nice, neat, concise package where somebody, even if its a malevolent somebody, is in control. Religious nut jobs do the same thing, its not any different.
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/02/03/david_aaronovitch_conspiracy_theories
Just to keep it alive.
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2010/02/03/david_aaronovitch_conspiracy_theories
Just to keep it alive.
http://www.debunking911.com/
This is my biggest beef with a lot of the
people. Airplanes, even BIG airplanes, and a 757 certainly qualifies as big, are still ultimately pretty fragile machines. Any airplane is built to with stand loads and stress only in certain ways, i.e. landing, flight, and pressurization, but any unusual load or stress outside of the designed/planned envelope or expected condition, even small ones are devastating to aircraft. Remember the stealth fighter crash in Maryland? Aileron "flutter" caused the wing to literally rip of the aircraft. Only smallish pieces of it were left and it didn't even "hit" anything.
Both of these images are of small, slowish aircraft hitting smallish fleshy, squishy birds. Know what happens when big birds meet large aircraft?
Extrapolate that out to VERY large aircraft moving at really high speeds (500mph plus?) with a sh*t ton of fuel on board, having its Newtonian first law violated by large concrete/steel/marble buildings. To me its more difficult to believe that anything would survive than vise versa.
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You mean real life is not like LOST where the plane crashes and everything is still recognizable and in pretty good condition other than falling apart?
I know, its taken me a long time to come to terms with that myself. Don't worry, you'll get there.You mean real life is not like LOST where the plane crashes and everything is still recognizable and in pretty good condition other than falling apart?
Jesus holds it up.