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Monkey Turbo
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I did not know this..

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TWO MODERN ISRAELI PROPHETS —
AND THEIR UNHEEDED WARNINGS
By Shalom Goldman of Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia

In October of 1953, a charismatic young Israeli army officer named Ariel Scheinerman was assigned a delicate task. Moshe Dayan, the army's head of operations, had received orders from the government's political leadership to organize a reprisal raid against Jordan. Infiltrators from the West Bank had killed three Israelis during a nighttime raid in the village of Yehud.

The directive to General Dayan, conveyed by Dayan to Scheinerman, was to strike at the Jordanian village of Kibiyeh, from which the infiltrators were thought to have come. The general's orders to his young officer were to punish the village by destroying some buildings and fighting any armed combatants he and his soldiers might encounter. Citizens, especially women and children, were not to be harmed.

Scheinerman had his own ideas as to how the military orders should be carried out. He commanded his unit to take over Kibiyeh by night and mine all of its houses with explosives. The fuses were set and when the charges went off 69 Jordanian civilians, most of them women and children, were killed. The Israeli government, faced with the diplomatic repercussions of the incident, denied responsibility for the bombings and blamed them on "provocateurs." Within the army and government, many officers and officials were dismayed by Scheinerman's initiative, but none of their objections interfered with his advancement in the ranks. Under his command, a further series of reprisal raids was undertaken. Their net result was a cycle of raid reprisals and counter-raids that escalated until they culminated in the outbreak of the 1956 Arab-Israeli War. Scheinerman was soon to change his name to Sharon, and the results of his military-political thinking are still with us today.
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Changleen

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More evidence that US support of Isreal is fundamentally misplaced. Way to make the Arab world hate you.
 

ALEXIS_DH

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Changleen said:
More evidence that US support of Isreal is fundamentally misplaced. Way to make the Arab world hate you.

under the light of the obvious, i sometimes wonder why hasnt anybody put that on the table in the US gvmt yet.
 

Changleen

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Billions of dollars of Jewish money and votes lining their pockets and keeping them in their jobs? Ever wonder why Isreal gets more US 'aid' than the rest of the world put together?
 

ALEXIS_DH

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Changleen said:
Billions of dollars of Jewish money and votes lining their pockets and keeping them in their jobs? Ever wonder why Isreal gets more US 'aid' than the rest of the world put together?


OHH MY GOD!!!!!!! Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallly?????????? :D
 

Slugman

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Changleen said:
Billions of dollars of Jewish money and votes lining their pockets and keeping them in their jobs? Ever wonder why Isreal gets more US 'aid' than the rest of the world put together?
Got a link to the source of that assertion? I'd be intereted in seeing that...

I don't debate that they get more than others... but more than all others combined?
 

LordOpie

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Slugman said:
Got a link to the source of that assertion? I'd be intereted in seeing that...

I don't debate that they get more than others... but more than all others combined?
dude, don't waste your time with that guy. He's a hater and only has one-sided conversations. Besides, how could you even remotely take anyone seriously who says...

Billions of dollars of Jewish money and votes lining their pockets and keeping them in their jobs? Ever wonder why Isreal gets more US 'aid' than the rest of the world put together?
It's so absurd and retarded on so many levels that it didn't deserve your time to respond.
 

Tenchiro

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Slugman said:
Got a link to the source of that assertion? I'd be intereted in seeing that...

I don't debate that they get more than others... but more than all others combined?
Who needs documentation for the international jew conspiracy. :rolleyes: Everyone knows it's real! :p
 

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Changleen said:
More evidence that US support of Isreal is fundamentally misplaced. Way to make the Arab world hate you.
It's actually more indicative of Sharon's mindset. If the US withdrew support from Israel completely there wouild be a bloodbath. (Which is bad.)

It would be nice to the US pushing Israel to come up with a more workable long term foreign policy as regards the Palestinian problem. Sharon is clearly not the guy to make that happen.
 
Changleen said:
Billions of dollars of Jewish money and votes lining their pockets and keeping them in their jobs? Ever wonder why Isreal gets more US 'aid' than the rest of the world put together?
well geewhiz now once somehting goes wrong let's all jump on the blame-the-Jew bandwagon. :nope: Wanna know how much money the saudi's invest in the US? It would dwarf the so called "Jewish Presence". Why don't we talk about the German Money, or the French money, oh, I know, the English money for once? Heck, can we expect a book on the Jewish conspiracy from you anytime soon?

why the hell are people like you attacking the help the U.S. gives to a nation of a people that has always been slaughtered and now one of the only non-fundamentalist government in the middle east?

And people wonder why the Holocaust happened......
 

Changleen

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nicklin said:
why the hell are people like you attacking the help the U.S. gives to a nation of a people that has always been slaughtered and now one of the only non-fundamentalist government in the middle east?
Because I think it's wrong. Becuase most of it goes to weapons. Because it causes thousands of Palestinian deaths every year. Sharon may not be fundamentalist, but he is a murderer on a vast scale and supporting poeople like that is fvcking wrong. I'm not bashing Jews, read the post again and jump off the reactionary 'OH HE SAID JEW' trip. My wife is of Jewish decent.

The reason America supports Isreal is because of the large, wealthy Jewish population it has.

I think you need to look at your facts, dude:
Wanna know how much money the saudi's invest in the US? It would dwarf the so called "Jewish Presence".
I think you are very very wrong about this. Much of your industrial complex was founded by and is continued to be run by people of jewish decent. I'm not bashing jews, I'm stating fact.

And Opie how is my statement retarded? If my conversations are one sided it's probably because I'm right.
 

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Slugman said:
Got a link to the source of that assertion? I'd be intereted in seeing that...

I don't debate that they get more than others... but more than all others combined?
i can't vouch for the accuracy of the source, but here ya go

http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

Anyone can ask one of their representatives in Congress for a chart prepared by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress, that shows Israel received $62.5 billion in foreign aid from fiscal year 1949 through fiscal year 1996. People in the national capital area also can visit the library of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in Rosslyn, Virginia, and obtain the same information, plus charts showing how much foreign aid the U.S. has given other countries as well.


Visitors will learn that in precisely the same 1949-1996 time frame, the total of U.S. foreign aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined was $62,497,800,000--almost exactly the amount given to tiny Israel.
 

Changleen

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Slugman said:
Got a link to the source of that assertion? I'd be intereted in seeing that...

I don't debate that they get more than others... but more than all others combined?
Well, it's a complex picture so it depends how you judge it, but it's a whole ****load. (Information from a variety of sites including:http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/poj.htm
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/U.S._Aid_To_Israel.asp
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html
http://www.usaid.gov/fani/ch06/usassistance.htm)

The US currently gives $13.3 Billion ($13,300,000,000) dollars of direct foreign aid annually, which breaks down like this:


Isreal is the greatest benefactor, and has been benefitting from US aid since 1949. Isreal actually gets a different amount each year. In 2000, they received $4.129 Billion and have recived between $2.9 - $3.7 Billion in the years since. Normally between 60 and 75% of this is Military aid. In total Isreal has recieved just over $96 Billion dollars direct from the US Government.

I believe there is actually a law in the US that makes it illegal for any military aid to used against the Palestinians, but whatever.

Believe it not, Egypt gets the next highest amount of Government aid, currently at $2 Billion a year, but has recieved a total of $117 Billion from the US since it started giving aid. Egypt and Jordan together are beneficiaries of a deal they brokered with the US who paid them to end their war on Israel.

After that the amounts go down fairly rapidly, spread all across the globe - African nations for example getting amounts in the low $100's of millions. Sudan, one of the most needy countries got $144 million last year. The palestinian authority gets $100 million.

The untold side of this story is private donations and loan guarantees. It is estimated that Charities have given Israel around $60 Billion on top of US aid contributions, and the amount promised to Isreal in Loan Guarantees is unknown, with estimates from $2 billion to $100's of Billions. I have discounted this, although internationally guaranteed loans normally count as Aid.

So, annually, and more to the point, recently, although not more than all the others combined direct from the government, if you set aside the special relationships with Egypt and Jordan, Isreal do pretty much get more than at least 2/3 of the rest of the world put together.
If you include charitable donations that may go up to closer to the 100% mark.
If you add an average guess for guaranteed loans it's definately more than the rest put together.

Also, Nicklin:

1) Forty-five percent of the top 40 of the Forbes 400 richest Americans are Jewish.
2) One-third of all American multimillionaires are tallied as Jewish.
3) 2% of the American population are Jews.

Still think the Saudis do more?

Look, I'm not being Anti-Jewish, I'm not being a 'hater' - I'm just telling it like it is. I've read a lot about this stuff. If you don't like it, try it for yourself. I read a variety of websites, from both sides of the fence (no pun intended) and I'm just saying what I see. If you don't like it you know who to blame.

So Opie:

dude, don't waste your time with that guy. He's a hater and only has one-sided conversations. Besides, how could you even remotely take anyone seriously who says...

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Billions of dollars of Jewish money and votes lining their pockets and keeping them in their jobs? Ever wonder why Isreal gets more US 'aid' than the rest of the world put together?

It's so absurd and retarded on so many levels that it didn't deserve your time to respond.
So many levels like the actual facts? Want to try that again?
 

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nicklin said:
one of the only non-fundamentalist government in the middle east?
Does that actually mean anything?

And it's a pretty fundamentalist government that has a declared policy saying that the land is theirs because God promised it to them...
 

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Monkey Turbo
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nicklin said:
why the hell are people like you attacking the help the U.S. gives to a nation of a people that has always been slaughtered
I guess you missed this bit:
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Scheinerman had his own ideas as to how the military orders should be carried out. He commanded his unit to take over Kibiyeh by night and mine all of its houses with explosives. The fuses were set and when the charges went off 69 Jordanian civilians, most of them women and children, were killed.

Scheinerman was soon to change his name to Sharon, and the results of his military-political thinking are still with us today.
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Silver

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fluff said:
And it's a pretty fundamentalist government that has a declared policy saying that the land is theirs because God promised it to them...
Actually, I don't know if Israel should be considered a democracy. If they stay in the Gaza Strip and West Bank (making them for all intents and purposes their territory) then they damn well need to let the people there vote and have a say if they want to tout their democratic ideals.
 

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LordOpie said:
dude, don't waste your time with that guy. He's a hater and only has one-sided conversations. Besides, how could you even remotely take anyone seriously who says...


It's so absurd and retarded on so many levels that it didn't deserve your time to respond.

after all, its not so absurd. think about some points for a minute, aside from political correctness.

from what i know and see in this side of the world, jews being only in the few thousands in a 28 mill people country like peru, own most banks and media.
and most southamerica is the same too, i go to a sinagogue in venezuela, and bang! a few bank owners there, a sinagogue in peru, and bang! a broadcaster here a couple ministers there.
the US seems to be the same too.

i find it a little interesting that everywhere in the western world the jewish communities are always among the most powerful and influential ones.
even in places where its % of population is almost neglible.

am not saying anything but that this concentration of power and wealth is the reason of those perseptions, right or wrong or whatever. they are not absurd unfounded observations.
and "coincidences" in the US gvmt (with a lot of western gvmt heavily linked to jewish communities) sponsorship of Israel seem quite suspicious, even to the uninformed.