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Jackshaft bike aside from BMW??

vitox

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clifcat and balfa made jackshaft bikes, there are more in europe too.
i think theyre called the holeshot and nouvau riche respectively.

oh and do a search for devinci big bang
 

rbx

Monkey
vitox said:
clifcat and balfa made jackshaft bikes, there are more in europe too.
i think theyre called the holeshot and nouvau riche respectively.

oh and do a search for devinci big bang
Checking clifcat website i think they dont make jackshaft bike anymore
Also looking for frames still in production,the gack seems ok, oh well seems that i am going to have to go with the BMW(not that is bad far from it but the price!!..ouch)
 

DHS

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Apr 23, 2002
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all the jackshaft bikes were super expensive. the Gack is a cheaper version of the BMW but still a lot. the Clifcat weighed more then i care to post, and had something like 10-11inch of travel. get a bmw. i enjoy mine.
 

sikocycles

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Feb 14, 2002
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Once you add in the cranks,bb and the guide. The bike in not that much more than other things
 

ChrisRobin

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Jan 30, 2002
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rbx said:
Checking clifcat website i think they dont make jackshaft bike anymore
Also looking for frames still in production,the gack seems ok, oh well seems that i am going to have to go with the BMW(not that is bad far from it but the price!!..ouch)
Clifcat can still make them they're special ordered.

I remember talking to Bill (Clifcat owner) about it a few years ago and he said to save weight he would sometimes put a pulley at the pivot to simulate a jackshaft. He said it felt just as good.
 

rbx

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ChrisRobin said:
Clifcat can still make them they're special ordered.

I remember talking to Bill (Clifcat owner) about it a few years ago and he said to save weight he would sometimes put a pulley at the pivot to simulate a jackshaft. He said it felt just as good.
I keep reading and hearing that bikes with pulleys like balfas dont pedal well not because of bad suspension design,but of friction created by the pulley.

I maybe way off
 

ChrisRobin

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Jan 30, 2002
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rbx said:
I keep reading and hearing that bikes with pulleys like balfas dont pedal well not because of bad suspension design,but of friction created by the pulley.

I maybe way off
I don't see how there could be much less friction with a true jackshaft frame: You have your main bottom bracket at the bottom where your cranks are, with a chain driving the other chainring attached to the pivot (on the Clifcat bikes it was a second Profile bottom bracket in the pivot), which drives the chainring on the other side of the frame which drives the rear wheel.

I may be way off too.
 

ChrisRobin

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rbx said:
Totally forgot about the GT-It1 ok i think my problem is solved:) thanks for the help guys!
Hold on a sec...apparently there's been some e-rumours and e-speculation going around saying they're having trouble with the Nexus hub.
 

rbx

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ChrisRobin said:
Hold on a sec...apparently there's been some e-rumours and e-speculation going around saying they're having trouble with the Nexus hub.
Weird the last i heard from a thread on RM is that GT worked with shimano and solved the problem..but i am still confused??

Ostie de Gt ils le sortiront jamais leur bike!
 

ChrisRobin

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rbx said:
Weird the last i heard from a thread on RM is that GT worked with shimano and solved the problem..but i am still confused??

Ostie de Gt ils le sortiront jamais leur bike!
I missed that part about Shimano fixing their problem.
 

DHS

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Apr 23, 2002
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so shimano fixed their problem. doesn't change the fact that the GT has 19" chainstays.
i don't feel any of this tension on the right side or left side of my BMW, i could feel it on the balfa though, but can't feel it on the canfield.
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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A Nucleon owner posts in the thread and no mention of the Nucleon...?

A kiwi posts and no mention of Lahar??

MD
 

ChrisRobin

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MikeD said:
A Nucleon owner posts in the thread and no mention of the Nucleon...?

A kiwi posts and no mention of Lahar??

MD

Ahhh...that's because the Nucleon ST isn't a 100% true jackshaft bike.

The Nucleon TST is just way expensive right now.
 

ChrisRobin

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Jan 30, 2002
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MikeD said:
The Nucleon ST doesn't have the Rolhoff hub in the pivot. It's just ahead of it. There's almost no chainstretch but there is still some...so that why I have to run that Rohloff tensioner.

The Nucleon TST does have the gear hub in the pivot so it could be seen as a jackshaft system...unless I'm missing something.
 

Percy

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MikeD said:
A Nucleon owner posts in the thread and no mention of the Nucleon...?

A kiwi posts and no mention of Lahar??

MD
Well the Lahar isnt really a jackshaft bike! Which is what the thread is all aboot.

They are well tasty though laddie! :thumb:
 

MikeD

Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists
Oct 26, 2001
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Percy said:
Well the Lahar isnt really a jackshaft bike! Which is what the thread is all aboot.

They are well tasty though laddie! :thumb:
Where's the Rohloff mounted, then? Right at the crank or something? I thought it used a primary/secondary drive configuration...my bad...

Ed: I guess it has to have a primary/secondary if it's got a rohloff...just that they're not arranged in a jackshaft layout.

MD