[ohio]

This guy didnt sit there for a week, he sat there for hours

How do you continually prove yourself to be an idiot? Is it a gift, or did you have to train?

 

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This guy didnt sit there for a week, he sat there for hours, then decided to go out in conditions he couldnt drive in, in a location he didnt know. He and his family were not in any danger of starving or freezing to death when he went to "save them". Had he used his head, and waited, he would be alive.

Wow, you don't pay attention much do you? He stayed put for days before he decided to venture out. They were out of gas, tires and other combustibles as well as food when he finally left.

 

[sanjuro]

The title is misleading about the nature of the article. Nowhere does Spencer Kim claim that the death was anyone's "fault" but his sons. What he does say is that he is observing a few changes that can prevent a future death. There can be a healthy debate about the cost/benefit of those changes, but personal responsibility has nothing to do with it.

Example: Say 50 people drive off a specific bend in the road and over a cliff to their death every month. Well, it's likely their own fault for not driving carefully but the government should still put up a guardrail to prevent that from happening. Clearly the benefit is worth the effort in that case, and it has nothing to do with removing people's responsibility for their own safety.

I disagree. While I don't expect Mr. Kim to write a long article blaming his own son, he criticized every aspect of the search, from the privacy laws to the actual physical search.

No where in this article does the phrase, "personal responsibility", arise.

BTW, I hear hundreds of people die on bicycles every year. I think we should ban bikes from roads and trails? Good idea or should we trust people to take of themselves?

 

[ohio]

I disagree. While I don't expect Mr. Kim to write a long article blaming his own son, he criticized every aspect of the search, from the privacy laws to the actual physical search.

I totally agree that what he is asking for is too much. I think that's what the debate should be about: which, if any, of those steps are reasonable or implementable?

 

[stosh]

I wonder if his blinker was still on when he went out for the walk.

 

[jimmydean]

There have been a number of local news articles about the lack of leadership in the search and a lot of questions about how the searches were handled. It should have been handled better, that's for sure.

But I also think that people who rely too much on technology (gps said to go, so they went) and not stopping to ask locals are asking for a bad time.

It was a horrible thing that could have been avoided (like the jackasses that decided to summit Mt. Hood in December) and maybe someone will learn from it.

Men don't ask for directions, and sometimes it's a good idea to.

 

[sanjuro]

One thing I thought about this morning while the tv newscast commented about James Kim was the blame they were throwing around now.

I wonder how motivated Oregon rescuers will feel to volunteer the next time someone gets lost.

 

[ohio]

I wonder how motivated Oregon rescuers will feel to volunteer the next time someone gets lost.

Spent a bit of time on SAR and of the folks I met, I can't imagine it ever having any effect on their willingness to go out on a call.

 

[jimmydean]

I wonder how motivated Oregon rescuers will feel to volunteer the next time someone gets lost.

The issue was leadership, or lack of. There were a lot of questions about who was supposed to be in charge based on the area they were in. Then there were mixed reports as to what areas had been covered and who covered them.

All that being said, you couldn't pick a worse place in Oregon to get lost. It is a backwoods, Alabama style portion of Oregon I would rather not visit. Let alone get lost in (some of my in-laws live near there).

 

[Silver]

Spent a bit of time on SAR and of the folks I met, I can't imagine it ever having any effect on their willingness to go out on a call.

I was going to mention that as well. I don't think that will enter into anyone's mind next time someone gets lost.

 

[sanjuro]

The issue was leadership, or lack of. There were a lot of questions about who was supposed to be in charge based on the area they were in. Then there were mixed reports as to what areas had been covered and who covered them.

All that being said, you couldn't pick a worse place in Oregon to get lost. It is a backwoods, Alabama style portion of Oregon I would rather not visit. Let alone get lost in (some of my in-laws live near there).

Actually, probably better organization was required, but time is a factor here. It was hard to expect a widespead search organized in a day.

 

[sanjuro]

Spent a bit of time on SAR and of the folks I met, I can't imagine it ever having any effect on their willingness to go out on a call.

BTW, I didn't mean to question the dedication of the Search And Rescue teams, and I apologize.

 

[ohio]

BTW, I didn't mean to question the dedication of the Search And Rescue teams, and I apologize.

No need for apology, I didn't take it as insult (and I'm not on any SAR team right now anyway)... I was just answering what was a pretty fair question.

 

[LordOpie]

Actually, probably better organization was required, but time is a factor here. It was hard to expect a widespead search organized in a day.

Maybe SAR teams need to be organized in advanced. Like FEMA (is supposed to be) or the National Guard?