[N8 v2.0]

... it's JFKerry ToolTime! Gun control is for the little people, not the elite liberal left...

Kerry Questioned About His 'Chinese Assault Rifle'
CNSNews.com | September 17, 2004 | Susan Jones

CNSNews.com) - Does Sen. John F. Kerry really own a "Communist Chinese assault rifle," as he suggested in an interview in the latest edition of Outdoor Life magazine?

The Second Amendment Foundation says if the senator does own such a rifle, it wants to know where Kerry keeps it, if it is legally registered, and how he got it into the United States.

"Senator Kerry's own words once again trip him up in an apparent hypocrisy," SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb said in a press release.

"Responding to a question from Outdoor Life about whether he is a gun owner, and if so, what's his favorite gun, Kerry strongly intimates he has an assault rifle, which is illegal to own both in Massachusetts and Washington, D.C."

The Kerry quote appears on Page 82 of the October issue of Outdoor Life. He told the magazine, "My favorite gun is the M-16 that saved my life and that of my crew in Vietnam. I don't own one of those now, but one of my reminders of my service is a Communist Chinese assault rifle."

Gottlieb called it another example of Kerry running on his Vietnam service history: "Now he's talking as if he's got an assault rifle stashed somewhere, while he's been railing against their ownership by other law-abiding American citizens," Gottlieb added.

Kerry supported an extension of the so-called assault weapons ban, which expired on Monday. Last week, at a campaign stop in St. Louis, he said, "As a hunter, I have never ever thought about going hunting with an AK-47 or an Uzi or anything else."

"Senator Kerry, where's the rifle?" Gottlieb asked. "In which one of your mansions are you hiding that gun? Why should it be okay for you to have a Communist Chinese assault rifle when you think nobody else should have one? And if you don't have one, why would you intimate to Outdoor Life that you do?"

Kerry has made it a point to appeal to gun owners by staging a number of gun-friendly photo-ops on the campaign trail.

 

[fluff]

Machine gun ownership is not illegal is it? Just highly restricted.

Or am I wrong?

 

[zod]

a commie gun, what a shocker!!!

 

[Silver]

a commie gun, what a shocker!!!

Yes, because a right wing corporatist is so close to being a communist it isn't even funny...

 

[Slugman]

a commie gun, what a shocker!!!

Unlike those patriotic AK_47s...

 

[golgiaparatus]

You mean a dude that was serving heavily in Vietnam has a communist assault rifle? No Fing way

So what... my grandfather has hella weapons and crap from Korea? I dont see anything wrong with it.

 

[valve bouncer]

I suppose collecting the guns of the enemy is a step up from collecting their skulls like the American soldiers did in WW2.

 

[BurlyShirley]

I suppose collecting the guns of the enemy is a step up from collecting their skulls like the American soldiers did in WW2.

Well, not that its any better, but parts of US soldiers were kept as well. As much as you try to villify america, keeping body parts of enemies is as old a tradition as war itself. Im sure when you countrymen slaughtered the aborigines they were at least nice enough to let them keep their skulls

 

[Tenchiro]

There has to be important issues...


Doesn't there?!?

 

[valve bouncer]

Well, not that its any better, but parts of US soldiers were kept as well. As much as you try to villify america, keeping body parts of enemies is as old a tradition as war itself. Im sure when you countrymen slaughtered the aborigines they were at least nice enough to let them keep their skulls

Actually the Poms still have a lot the skulls in their museums but they are slowly being returned.
What parts of the US soldiers were kept?

 

[Westy]

There has to be important issues...


Doesn't there?!?

Gay marriage of course.


Elections arenot held on issues but on judging the caricature of candidates as drawn by the media and political spin doctors.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Actually the Poms still have a lot the skulls in their museums but they are slowly being returned.
What parts of the US soldiers were kept?

Penises and Tattoos from what Ive read.

 

[Skookum]

i kept my kidney stone around for awhile after i pee'd it out. showed it to my then boss and told him i named him it's godfather... i was thinking of selling it on the street as a hit of crack to some poor fool, but i'm just not that evil.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Ready, Aim, Fire . . . Hit Foot
Has John Kerry given up trying to suck up to gun-owning America?
WallStreetJournal | September 17 | KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL

The political class was busy this week trying to figure out why, after months of sucking up to the gun-owning public, John Kerry tossed aside all his hard work and condemned the end of the "assault" weapons ban. Was it a play for the soccer moms? Were his advisers on a coffee break?

There is another possibility, one that even as I write millions of rural Americans are praying is the correct answer. Perhaps John Kerry has given up trying to pretend he's one of them.

Ever since Al Gore had the powder wrung out of him in key electoral states by the National Rifle Association, Democrats have been trying to neutralize the gun issue. And no one has worked harder than Mr. Kerry. Nearly every newspaper in America has featured him posed, gun in hand, orange safety vest at the ready, preparing to squeeze off a round for the history books. His stump speech is aimed at buttering up hunters and gun owners, and just last week his campaign declared: "John Kerry's opponents are worried because he's the first Democratic candidate to support Second Amendment gun rights and to be an avid hunter."

Now, Lyndon Johnson, who used to shoot deer on his Texas ranch from a Lincoln convertible, would undoubtedly take issue with this claim. But John Kerry's problem is bigger than dead presidents. Nobody alive is buying his act, either, and he has only himself to blame.

Watching someone try to be something he isn't is always embarrassing, but there's something particularly painful about watching Mr. Kerry try to convince you that you'd want him in your duck blind for eight hours. Certain elites still believe that all you have to do to fit in with "country folk" is put on a flannel shirt and gush about firearms. But none of that counts for much if you still don't know a gun rack from an art installation.

And Mr. Kerry has trouble on that count. Take, for instance, a July interview in which he was asked what kind of hunting he preferred. Here was our Nantucket Natty Bumppo's response: "Probably I'd have to say deer. . . . I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach."

Now, let's admit that hunters can do some silly things. They climb up trees and go numb sitting still for hours. They tramp across nasty terrain. They drink too much beer and pass out in their tents and then later lie to their buddies that they missed the biggest buck in [you fill in the state] by only half an inch. But most have learned that lying with one's face in the mud is not conducive to bagging a big one. Mr. Kerry seems to have confused his time in the Mekong Delta with his supposed many hunting trips.

His other credibility problem is his record. Guns have been a big voter issue for a long time, and there is no shortage of organizations on both sides of the debate to keep track of votes. Whether you ask the NRA or the Brady Campaign, the word on John Kerry is the same: He has voted for every gun-control bill in the Senate over the past 18 years.

That fact led to national snickering when Mr. Kerry was pictured in West Virginia brandishing a new shotgun that was a present from the United Mine Workers of America. One gun expert noted that in accepting the gun and taking it back to Massachusetts, Mr. Kerry could break certain gun laws (undoubtedly many of which he supports), at least one of which carries prison time. Oops.

The October edition of Outdoor Life will feature interviews with both presidential candidates. When asked about their favorite guns, President Bush responds: "My favorite gun is a Weatherby Athena 20 gauge." Mr. Kerry says (reminding us yet again where he was 35 years ago): "My favorite gun is the M-16 that saved my life and that of my crew in Vietnam. I don't own one of those now, but one of my reminders of my service is a Communist Chinese assault rifle." So Mr. Kerry's favorite gun is an "assault" rifle designed for war. Funny talk coming from a guy who just went ballistic over the end of the "assault" weapons ban.

This all explains why Mr. Kerry is getting shot down in his gun efforts. This past weekend, while interviewing potential voters at a Pennsylvania gun show, I asked several if Mr. Kerry's attempts to look gun-friendly had made an impression. Those attendees who didn't immediately bust out laughing or roll their eyes noted that it was the past 20 years that would matter when they entered the voting booth, not the past 20 months.

So here is a little advice from gun-owning America to you, John. Stop, please. Before you really do shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[Skookum]

i own a small lime green squirt gun. i think it was made in China please don't tell $hifty.

 

[ohio]

Ready, Aim, Fire . . . Hit Foot
Has John Kerry given up trying to suck up to gun-owning America?
WallStreetJournal | September 17 | KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
Watching someone try to be something he isn't is always embarrassing, but there's something particularly painful about watching Mr. Kerry try to convince you that you'd want him in your duck blind for eight hours.

Yes, yes it is. His advisors truly suck. No one that actually cares about the issues is going to buy it, and even people that don't care about the issue are going to get turned off by the attempt.

Idiots. They're all idiots.

 

[fluff]

Ready, Aim, Fire . . . Hit Foot

Have you forgotten that your beloved Dubya also expressed support for the ban to continue?

Or was he lying again?

 

[genpowell71]

Who cares if Kerry owns an M16, an AK47, or a fvckin 50 caliber machine gun. He's not fooling anyone and like I've been saying for the last few months: GET OFF THE FREAKIN FENCE YOU DIMWIT!!!!

 

[nicklin]

Dude, not touching this one with a 90 foot pole.

 

[Changleen]

So why'd you bother posting anything?

 

[Pedalist]

It is legal to own automatic weapons. You must purchase a permit for them with costs in excess of 1000$ USD. You must also state a reasonable need for said weapon and where it is kept. In doing this you give up your right to search and seisure. The assault weapons ban did not make automatic weapons illegal. It limited the size of magazine, and the rate of fire for weapons. Think of an assault weapon as any weapon that can expend more than 1 round per second, and would generaly be better in close quarters combat. M-4,M-16,ak-47, You could hunt with any of these but they would not generaly be the first choice. A deer rifle would definatley kill a human but weilding a 4 foot long rifle around in a house, vehichle, and or city is not the most fruitful option. Automatic weapons have been illegal to own without permit since I do believe 1967. I may be off on the date. If Kerry has the weapon it is one he brought back from Vietnam, and it is not that hard to do. I just got back from Iraq they sell the weapons on the side of the road in some places. $100-$150 USD will get you one. I am not for the ownership of full auto weapons by everyone. I am not condeming Mr Kerry for having a dangerous toy. The assault weapons ban was created because certain people thought that it would reduce violent crimes involving guns. It had no effect so this time our legislation worried about more important things. Most crimes involving guns are done with stolen guns. Think about it, who the hell is gonna go out and spend upwards of $1,000 USD on a weapon, register it in their name, then just use it to ice one person. That is rediculous.

 

[bmxr]

Machine guns are subject to a $200 tax every time their ownership changes from one federally registered owner to another, and each new weapon is subject to a manufacturing tax when it is made, and it must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) in its National Firearms Registry.

It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department.

Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.

To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence. Good luck convincing your local sherrif about your "need" for an machine gun, but there are some out there who will sign off on it

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics,there were over 240,000 machine guns registered with the BATF in 1995. About half are owned by civilians and the other half by police departments and other governmental agencies. 120,000 machine guns legally in civilian hands in the US. I bet there's hundreds, if not thousands of examples of people commiting crimes with these weapons every year, right?

Since 1934, only one legally owned machine gun has ever been used in crime, and that was a murder committed by a law enforcement officer (as opposed to a civilian).

Well then, I bet there were thousands of stolen machine guns being used to commit crimes, right? Again in Targeting Guns, Kleck writes, four police officers were killed in the line of duty by machine guns from 1983 to 1992. (713 law enforcement officers were killed during that period, 651 with guns.)

During the "Cocaine Cowboy" days, in 1980 Miami, when Miami's homicide rate was at an all-time high, less than 1% of all homicides involved machine guns.

Of 2,200 guns recovered by Minneapolis police (1987-1989), not one was fully automatic.

A total of 420 weapons, including 375 guns, were seized during drug warrant executions and arrests by the Metropolitan Area Narcotics Squad (Will and Grundie counties in the Chicago metropolitan area, 1980-1989). None of the guns was a machine gun.

16 of 2,359 (0.7%) of the guns seized in the Detroit area (1991-1992) in connection with "the investigation of narcotics trafficking operations" were machine guns.

An observant reader would think the strict registration requirements and extremely low rates of crime committed with legally owned automatic weapons are powerful arguments for "sensible" gun control. However an even keener reader notices that despite the sterling record of auto-weapons owners for over fifty years, and despite: registration, police approval, state approval, special taxes, waiting periods, and extensive background checks, in 1986, ownership of newly manufactured automatic weapons was prohibited to civilians.


As for the "assault weapons ban" itself, anyone that actually reads it and understand it can tell you what a sterling example of "feel good legislation" it was. If there is such a thing as sensible and effective gun control, that was not it.

Assault weapons are not the weapons of choice among drug dealers, gang members or criminals in general. Assault weapons are used in about one-fifth of one percent (.20%) of all violent crimes and about one percent in gun crimes. It is estimated that from one to seven percent of all homicides are committed with assault weapons (rifles of any type are involved in three to four percent of all homicides). However a higher percentage are used in police homicides, roughly ten percent. (There has been no consistent trend in this rate from 1978 through 1996.) Between 1992 and 1996 less than 4% of mass murders, committed with guns, involved assault weapons. (Our deadliest mass murders have either involved arson or bombs.)

There are close to 4 million assault weapons in the U.S., which amounts to roughly 1.7% of the total gun stock.

If assault weapons are so rarely used in crime, why all the hoopla when certain military-style-semi-automatic weapons were banned by the Crime Control Act of 1994? A Washington Post editorial (September 15, 1994) summed it up best:

No one should have any illusions about what was accomplished (by the ban). Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.

 

[N8 v2.0]

This is my rifle,
this is my gun,
one is for pleasure,
one is for fun!

 

[bmxr]

This is my rifle,
This is my gun.
This is for fighting,
This is for fun!

http://161.58.5.90/fmj/myrifle.wav

One of my favorite flicks!

Now I'm off to the gun show to pick up my MP5 and a half dozen 30 round clips

 

[MikeD]

'clips?' Awwww, geez.

 

[bmxr]

What? You like "magazine" beter? Awwww, geez.

 

[MikeD]

Well, a clip isn't a magazine. It's like a tire and a rim; they're related, but not the same.

 

[bmxr]

Well, a clip isn't a magazine. It's like a tire and a rim; they're related, but not the same.

Actually, it's more like rim and wheel

 

[nicklin]

This is my rifle,
This is my gun.
This is for fighting,
This is for fun!

http://161.58.5.90/fmj/myrifle.wav

One of my favorite flicks!

Now I'm off to the gun show to pick up my MP5 and a half dozen 30 round clips

you lucky SOB,

 

[N8 v2.0]

This story ain't going away either...


Kerry owns assault rifle
Despite pushing for bans against public possession
WorldNetDaily.com | September 26, 2004 | WND

Despite pushing for bans against so-called assault weapons, Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry now admits he owns a "Communist Chinese assault rifle.''

''My favorite gun is the M-16 that saved my life and that of my crew in Vietnam,'' Kerry told Outdoor Life magazine for its October issue. ''I don't own one of those now, but one of my reminders of my service is a Communist Chinese assault rifle.''

When asked by the New York Times for more information about the weapon, Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said Kerry was a registered gun owner in Massachusetts.

Meehan said Thursday he was unable to ask the senator about the rifle because of Kerry's hoarse voice, and the Times reports he did not respond to further inquiries.

Kerry is a hunter who voiced support for the recently expired assault-weapons ban, and often tells citizens he's never met anyone who wanted to use an AK-47 to shoot a deer.

Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, told the Times the comment in Outdoor Life made Kerry's support of the ban disingenuous.

''It's OK for John Kerry to own these kinds of firearms, but it's not OK for John Q. Public?'' Arulanandam said, adding Kerry could be subject to court-martial if the gun were brought home from the war as a souvenir. ''He certainly owes people an explanation as to why there's a double standard.''