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Jr_Bullit

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Los Angeles Times Editor John S. Carroll delivers the annual Ruhl Lecture as part of 'Ethics Week' on Thursday
By Ayisha Yahya
News Editor

May 07, 2004


The media industry has been infested by the rise of pseudo-journalists who go against journalism's long tradition to serve the public with accurate information, Los Angeles Times Editor John S. Carroll told a packed room in the Gerlinger Lounge on Thursday.
Carroll delivered the annual Ruhl Lecture, titled "The Wolf in Reporter's Clothing: The Rise of Pseudo-Journalism in America." The lecture was sponsored by the School of Journalism and Communication.

"All over the country there are offices that look like newsrooms and there are people in those offices that look for all the world just like journalists, but they are not practicing journalism," he said. "They regard the audience with a cold cynicism. They are practicing something I call a pseudo-journalism, and they view their audience as something to be manipulated."

In a scathing critique of Fox News and some talk show hosts, such as Bill O'Reilly, Carroll said they were a "different breed of journalists" who misled their audience while claiming to inform them. He said they did not fit into the long legacy of journalists who got their facts right and respected and cared for their audiences.

Carroll cited a study released last year that showed Americans had three main
misconceptions about Iraq: That weapons of mass destruction had been found, a connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq had been demonstrated and that the world approved of U.S intervention in Iraq. He said 80 percent of people who primarily got their news from Fox believed at least one of the misconceptions. He said the figure was more than 57 percentage points higher than people who get their news from public news broadcasting.

"How in the world could Fox have left its listeners so deeply in the dark?" Carroll asked.

He added that a difference exists between journalism and propaganda.

As he addressed some of the hard hits journalism has taken in the field of ethics, Carroll noted that anyone could be a journalist because, unlike other fields, journalism had no qualification tests, boards to censure misconduct or a universally accepted set of standards.

However, Carroll said a great depth of feeling remains on the importance of ethics that is centered around newspapers' sense of responsibilities to their readers.

"I've learned that these ethics are deeply believed in even though in some places they are not even written down," he said. When ethical guidelines are ignored, their proponents respond with 'tribal ferocity,'" he added.

"If you stray badly from these rules, you will pay dearly," he said.

He said while much media has ended up "in the gutter," the L.A. Times has a different philosophy and was dedicated to taking the "high road."

"I do think that a lot of newspaper people have made a lot of strategic mistakes," he said. "They cut back space on things people really need to know."

Carroll, whose career as a journalist spans 40 years, joined the L.A. Times in 2000, according to the paper's Web site. Under his leadership, the paper earned five Pulitzer Prizes this year.

Tim Gleason, dean of the SOJC, said Carroll is a "journalist's journalist."

"As an editor he cares deeply about the integrity of the profession and he believes that news, real news is the heart and soul of the business of journalism," Gleason said as he introduced Carroll.

University graduate student Mose Mosely had similar sentiments. He said he admired Carroll not only for his vast experience around the country, but also for his consistent commitment to his ideals.

"The depth of his integrity is very impressive," Mosely said.

Bobbie Willis, a staff writer for the Eugene Weekly, said she felt Carroll brought up some relevant issues in today's media environment.

"It really made me take a look at my career as a journalist," she said.

Willis said she understood Carroll's concerns about the state of journalism nationally, but added that many of the journalists she has encountered were very committed to accurate and ethical reporting.

Carroll had a few words of advise for student journalists; he told them to pick their boss carefully.

"Don't be lured by the money or the big name of the employer," he said, adding that journalists should not allow their integrity to be compromised by unscrupulous employers.

"Don't be a piano player in a whorehouse," he said.
 
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tele-journalism has the most egregious propensity for 'slanted' and misleading 'reportage' that i have ever encountered.

it would be interesting to see the numbers with the separation of print vs. television.

hardly surprising about fox news. it's a joke.
 

Slugman

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Originally posted by Just Lookin'...
hardly surprising about fox news. it's a joke.
Yeah.. like FOX is the only bad one. While I believe them to be complete morons, they are not the only liars out there.
 

Jr_Bullit

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I guess I just find it surprising that there are no rules for these guys to follow?

I mean...if they're job is to report the news, why is it okay for them to lie, exaggerate, make things up? There should be penalties for distributing mis-information.
 

RhinofromWA

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Originally posted by Jr_Bullit
I guess I just find it surprising that there are no rules for these guys to follow?

I mean...if they're job is to report the news, why is it okay for them to lie, exaggerate, make things up? There should be penalties for distributing mis-information.
Yes it is OK becuase no one calls them on it. All they have to to is a 4 second appology a week later and no one will care.

It is all in done in the rush to be 1st with the late breaking news....damn the validity of the sources.

In print you have some more time to get facts straight and do some research.....

LIVE ON SCENE is good for ratings but sh!tty for any sort of fact checking.

1st on scene:
"initial reports say a black man in his 40's...."

Follow up that night:
"Unnamed police source (yeah right) say police are looking for a chinese man in his early 20's..."

Next morning:
"Police have arrested a 60yo white female in connection with..."

All to the excitement of the audience.

Rhino
 
JBlt.... isn't this the irony? 'Shouldn't there be rules?' .... The irony is that we the people allowthe journalisim, we the people allow the government, we the people as a society are responsible ultimately in the big picture here

i mean, we are allowing our government to claim moral and ethical rightousness in the 'war' of east and west, the war of rich and poor and yet we have sh t for ethics and morality as shown in the prison pictures, as shown in our media's conduct, as shown in the 'Survivor Series' tv show... ethics, and alliances be damed... it is about winning the million...

would it not be a trip, if the gamers on the survivor show, unified and instead of backstabing and competing allainces, in the show they unilaterally decided to set high ethic and moral standards and just took and split the million 18 ways with the winner in the end and take the 40k$ each after taxes and went on to leverage thier ethics and make millions in speeking engagements?

but no, we the people are too interested in me me me and money money money

so, are there rules for jurnalists? yeah, there are, we the people can stop buying into the corporate giants view of what they believe via market studies of what we the people want ... all of this is a reflection of ourselves


it is all a reflection of ourselves and what we want, the deciet in media, tv, newspaper, government and down to what level of our personal lives?


grassroots change in some manor of not inflicting harsh laws, but grassroots change in people individually and personally makeing quiet choices based on sound ethics and morality and thereby, supporting in the end, better journalists, politicians, and entertainment that offers good valu ejudgemnets stories

is it possible? ..... hard to say

:monkey: opinion
 

Slugman

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Originally posted by BarbaRosa
grassroots change in some manor of not inflicting harsh laws, but grassroots change in people individually and personally makeing quiet choices based on sound ethics and morality and thereby, supporting in the end, better journalists, politicians, and entertainment that offers good valu ejudgemnets stories

is it possible? ..... hard to say

:monkey: opinion
Not possible... :dead: (IMHO)

If it were, we would not be discussing this.
 
Originally posted by Slugman
Not possible... :dead: (IMHO)

If it were, we would not be discussing this.
(DREAMING HERE BUT)

what if we spent gobs of money instead of on bombs but spent it on books and school/academics? taught crtical thinking, ethics, problem solving, world society studies, heavy focus on communicating in communties, from the family unit, neighborhoods, subdivisions, towns/cities, counties, states, countries, continents, and up thru the world community? taught scientific PROCESS taught arts and encouraged creativiity, taght debate and give extra credit for PARTICIPATION in communiteies

so, our children and grandchildren become enlightened and empowered and ......

oh f ck it, get a big truck shoot some rodents and who the f ck took my cowboy hat and redman chew? f cking idiot libral commi robe wearing scum bags

:rolleyes:

it does make me :mad: that to fight terrorisim, the power thinks it should be a war of blood, the power is too stupid and blind to not see it needs to be a war of ideas and thereby therefore and to survive, we need to rebuild more then anything our academic process and access and not push content but push process of learning and critical thinking and unbderstanding others through valid research and study, not heresay, not rhetorick.....

i know i am dreaming, but what if?
 

Slugman

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Originally posted by BarbaRosa
(DREAMING HERE BUT)

what if we spent gobs of money instead of on bombs but spent it on books and school/academics? taught crtical thinking, ethics, problem solving, world society studies, heavy focus on communicating in communties, from the family unit, neighborhoods, subdivisions, towns/cities, counties, states, countries, continents, and up thru the world community? taught scientific PROCESS taught arts and encouraged creativiity, taght debate and give extra credit for PARTICIPATION in communiteies

so, our children and grandchildren become enlightened and empowered and ......

oh f ck it, get a big truck shoot some rodents and who the f ck took my cowboy hat and redman chew? f cking idiot libral commi robe wearing scum bags

:rolleyes:

it does make me :mad: that to fight terrorisim, the power thinks it should be a war of blood, the power is too stupid and blind to not see it needs to be a war of ideas and thereby therefore and to survive, we need to rebuild more then anything our academic process and access and not push content but push process of learning and critical thinking and unbderstanding others through valid research and study, not heresay, not rhetorick.....

i know i am dreaming, but what if?
I wish I lived in your world... someone pass the peace pipe!:cool:
 
Originally posted by Slugman
I wish I lived in your world... someone pass the peace pipe!:cool:

forgive me.... i just had pizza from pappa johns and it CAME WITH a movie..... Don Juan with Johnny Depp....and you are never really absolutely sure if the dillusions are real or not, arguably looking at the insane asylum as a villa is a good point, in otherwords, make the best of your situation yet still the character persuaded many to buy into his dillusion and they went off and followed the dream so what if.....


what if enough people followed the dream what would happen? when would peace pipe smoking in the desert commune transform into a revolution of and transformation of what we expect and what we act out? what would happen if we all start humming a bar of Alices Restaurant and it became a movement? what if the hippie idealisim revival concert sticks this time and people do not ride the magic bus to escape but ride it to intentionally find inspiriation to create? and thereby not then resurecting the yuppie phase and on thru but to sustain a world optimistic view like the character johnny depp played, a world optimistic view were we fight tearany by traching and fostering thought and the ability to make good personal choices


you can get what ever you want at alices restaurant....
....what do YOU want? how many grains of rice, how many people does it take to want good ethics and good reporting and good world peace solutions does it take?

how long do we ponder why it SEEMS like there are no journalistic rules and yet..... we each hold the key?


when is the next evolution? is it now?
 

RhinofromWA

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Even hippies eventually want what the other hippie has......war is soon to follow. :)

I guess we can hope for a "Star Trek" world where there is no money....people don't worry about food....and we all chip in and create a magical world where all we have to do is bounce around the stars in search of knowledge.

Then them darn Klingon's poke their damn heads into our business! .....:eek: :confused: :think: where was I?

:D
 

MMike

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I think that place is called Canada......

Originally posted by BarbaRosa
(DREAMING HERE BUT)

what if we spent gobs of money instead of on bombs but spent it on books and school/academics? taught crtical thinking, ethics, problem solving, world society studies, heavy focus on communicating in communties, from the family unit, neighborhoods, subdivisions, towns/cities, counties, states, countries, continents, and up thru the world community? taught scientific PROCESS taught arts and encouraged creativiity, taght debate and give extra credit for PARTICIPATION in communiteies

so, our children and grandchildren become enlightened and empowered and ......

oh f ck it, get a big truck shoot some rodents and who the f ck took my cowboy hat and redman chew? f cking idiot libral commi robe wearing scum bags

:rolleyes:

it does make me :mad: that to fight terrorisim, the power thinks it should be a war of blood, the power is too stupid and blind to not see it needs to be a war of ideas and thereby therefore and to survive, we need to rebuild more then anything our academic process and access and not push content but push process of learning and critical thinking and unbderstanding others through valid research and study, not heresay, not rhetorick.....

i know i am dreaming, but what if?
 

RhinofromWA

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Aug 16, 2001
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Originally posted by MMike
I think that place is called Canada......
I am starting to think Gene Rodenburry(sp?) modeled Star Trek after Canada more and more....:think:

You know, all science and fiction.

I guess the videos of brawls outside bars in Canada are photochopped .....'cuase I know they are all peace loving intelectual beings up north of the boarder. :D :rolleyes:

;)
 

Spud

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Read a little factoid the other day that claimed a majority (my decaying brain cells want to say 57%) of Americans don't think newspapers should be allowed to publish stories without govt approval.

Please tell me we aren't that naive.

:dead:
 

BostonBullit

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radio disc jockies can't say "nipple" on the air anymore without getting $500,000 fines but "news outlets" can report whatever they like.....something not quite right there.
 

Slugman

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Apr 29, 2004
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Originally posted by Spud
Read a little factoid the other day that claimed a majority (my decaying brain cells want to say 57%) of Americans don't think newspapers should be allowed to publish stories without govt approval.

Please tell me we aren't that naive.

:dead:
Sponsored by the republican party...

and yes we (as a society/nation) are that stupid.
 
Originally posted by Slugman
Sponsored by the republican party...

and yes we (as a society/nation) are that stupid.


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Note: The common Northern European lemming (Myodes lemmus) is remarkable for making occasional devastating migrations in enormous numbers from the mountains into the lowlands.


ITS AN INFESTATION OF SMALL OVERWIEGHT McRODENTS
 

Toshi

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Oct 23, 2001
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Originally posted by RhinofromWA
I am starting to think Gene Rodenburry(sp?) modeled Star Trek after Canada more and more....:think:

You know, all science and fiction.

I guess the videos of brawls outside bars in Canada are photochopped .....'cuase I know they are all peace loving intelectual beings up north of the boarder. :D :rolleyes:

;)
videos would be "premiered" not "photochopped" :D . er, i guess that doesn't work as well, nvmd.

anyway, no one said canada doesn't have rednecks, too. but what they truly don't have is the huge military of the u.s., for better or worse
 

Silver

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Originally posted by Toshi
videos would be "premiered" not "photochopped" :D . er, i guess that doesn't work as well, nvmd.

anyway, no one said canada doesn't have rednecks, too. but what they truly don't have is the huge military of the u.s., for better or worse
Oh, Canada has rednecks. Alberta is 90% redneck.

God help you if you're an Indian, as well. You want to see racism? Yikes...