[urbaindk]

I just did a little search. Origins go way back maybe even all the way to the Dadaist movement in the late teens and '20s. I aways think its really interesting how Dadaism creeps in and affects our culture even to this day.

I'd forgotten this already but a couple of months I went the National Gallery - American Museum of Art to see a Dadaist exhibit. They had a lot of tape manipulation, avant guard, perhaps even industrial music / noise mixed in with movement. One one floor of the gallery they had 18 pianos, about a half dozen kettle drums, a bunch of air raid sirens, fire bells, all set up to play electronically. I got to see it play. It was total cacophony.

 

[narlus]

joseph beuys, the noted Fluxus artist, also did sound work in addition to his sculptures and paintings.

 

[Mackie]

I think Pailhead was great as well. I didn't have the album, but I did have the 'Man will Surrender' ep.

Damn straight!
This thread made me put some on. Don't Stand it Line has such a great (synthetic) drum sound.

 

[llkoolkeg]

How can you not hear at minimum the songs "New World Order" or "Jesus Built My Hotrod", given their wide proliferation. That video of the elder Bush gyrating to the beat while grabbing his crotch has been played ad nauseum!

 

[laura]

you're such an old man. what music do you listen to anyway? I was being birthed when ministry was formed and I still know who they are and have heard their music before this week. For the record, I hate industrial music.

 

[Echo]

And I found my self in love with the world, and so there was only one thing I could do, that was dinga dang dong my dinga long ling long.

 

[jimmydean]

That kicks so much ass.

There was a chick stripping to Ministry at the club the other night. It was sooo hot

 

[MikeD]

Hey, narlus, I listened to some of the Ein-whatever-you-said, and they sound like a KMFDM ripoff!!

 

[MikeD]

joseph beuys, the noted Fluxus artist, also did sound work in addition to his sculptures and paintings.

And don't forget ex-Nazi fighter pilot in that list of credentials...

 

[narlus]

didn't know that!

there was a german exhibit @ the MFA in boston a few years ago and one of the paintings they had showing was the gerard richter one which Sonic Youth used as the cover for _Daydream Nation_

 

[tmx]

"in case you didn't feel like showing up", my favorite live performance recording of any band ever. can't get enough of it still to this day.

ministry rocks.

 

[BillT]

I just saw Ministry with RevCo a couple of weekends ago - kick ass show! I actually thought RevCo sounded better (and they actually had Luc Van Acker which was a surprise) but Ministry was great and very, very loud.

If I remember correctly, Supernaut was done as a collaborative effort between Al and Trent so that may be why it sounded a bit like NIN.

 

[rigidhack]

John Cage should most definitely be placed somewhere in the family tree of industrial music. He made the outlandish claim back in the late 40's early 50's that machines would one day be able to reproduce any possible sound. His albums often come with a set of instructions on how to manipulate the balance, volume and other adjustments on your preamp/reciever to obtain an entirely new mix of the recorded material, right in the privacy of your own living room!

(I think TOOL owes him something, too)

EDIT: Sympathy is a sad excuse for an album. I mean, a fake British accent? PUHLEESE!

EDIT EDIT: Onthe other hand, the Butthole Surfers rule! (or at least they did for a while)

 

[Trainwreck]

best work al jourgenson ever did was the collaboration w/ gibby, on 'jesus built my hotrod'

I'll second that!

 

[SkaredShtles]

you're such an old man. what music do you listen to anyway?

Classical mostly nowadays.

 

[SkaredShtles]

How can you not hear at minimum the songs "New World Order" or "Jesus Built My Hotrod"

Maybe I have and just didn't know.

, given their wide proliferation.

Is this "proliferation" on TV or commercial radio?

 

[narlus]

John Cage should most definitely be placed somewhere in the family tree of industrial music. He made the outlandish claim back in the late 40's early 50's that machines would one day be able to reproduce any possible sound. His albums often come with a set of instructions on how to manipulate the balance, volume and other adjustments on your preamp/reciever to obtain an entirely new mix of the recorded material, right in the privacy of your own living room!

his work for prepared piano was definitely ground-breaking, but more what i would lump in w/ the musique concrete movement, not necessarily industrial. christian marclay is a pretty well-known (in certain circles, anyway) proponent of this method/music...he's broken lps and glued them together to create new sounds.

on the genesis of the 'industrial' name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_music#Industrial_Records

 

[N8 v2.0]

you're such an old man. what music do you listen to anyway? I was being birthed when ministry was formed and I still know who they are and have heard their music before this week. For the record, I hate industrial music.

HAHAHA!!!

You think that's bad check out the who BurlyShirley 'just heard of for the first time"...

Link to the Gold!: http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104905&highlight=ministry+bands

 

[xy9ine]

How about Lard? Yeegads. I guess you have to be real big Jello fan to dig it. I don't know. I could never handle more than a song or two at a time.

THE POWER OF LAAAARD! love that album. (yes, i'm a jello fan). jello had a surprise cameo at the ministry gig here a year or so back; they played a couple lard tracks - great stuff.

 

[SkaredShtles]

HAHAHA!!!

You think that's bad check out the who BurlyShirley 'just heard of for the first time"...

Link to the Gold!: http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104905&highlight=ministry+bands

There's a walking cadaver in the picture at the end of that thread.

 

[laura]

HAHAHA!!!

You think that's bad check out the who BurlyShirley 'just heard of for the first time"...

Link to the Gold!: http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104905&highlight=ministry+bands

he has an excuse, he's only as old as me. You can't possibly expect us too keep up with all the new music as well as what you fossils grew up with, can you?

I know dio, but don't think I have ever heard them.

 

[DNA]

Supernaut was first done by 1000 Homo DJs (which is an Al Jourgenson side project), although Ministry may have started playing. I remember it being on an album of Black Sabbath covers called N.I.B. .

And Mind was the peak for Ministry.

 

[N8 v2.0]

There's a walking cadaver in the picture at the end of that thread.

Yes, the small one is Serial Midget back when Team Boy Band XC was ripping up the charts and the single-track!


*edit- some missed RM citizens in that thread: Hello Kitty, zod, dh girlie, Yossarian

 

[Echo]

I know dio, but don't think I have ever heard them.

That's because you're a rainbow in the dark.

 

[narlus]

he has an excuse, he's only as old as me. You can't possibly expect us too keep up with all the new music as well as what you fossils grew up with, can you?

yes.

kids these days.

 

[SkaredShtles]

<snip> You can't possibly expect us too keep up with all the new music

I gave up in approximately 1994.

 

[laura]

Yes, the small one is Serial Midget back when Team Boy Band XC was ripping up the charts and the single-track!


*edit- some missed RM citizens in that thread: Hello Kitty, zod, dh girlie, Yossarian

you are the only person who misses hello kitty.

 

[SkaredShtles]

That's because you're a rainbow in the dark.

 

[N8 v2.0]

you are the only person who misses hello kitty.

Oh you know I'm warped.

 

[llkoolkeg]

Maybe I have and just didn't know.

Is this "proliferation" on TV or commercial radio?

You probably HAVE heard one of those songs but just didn't know who it was. They were played to death on MTV, VH1, the radio, sampled frequently, and even discussed on REGULAR TV(due to the surrounding controversy) kind of like Luther Campbell(for "As Nasty as They Wanna Be"), Public Enemy(for "By the Time I get to Arizona" video and Prof. Griff's anti-semitic comments) or the Chixie Dicks comments in Europe about Dubya. Apparently, there is something wrong with showing clips of violent civil unrest in a video ala Rage Against the Machine while a simulated Bush senior gives the ol' "blow me" to the world.

 

[partsbara]

some crazzzzyy times listening to ministry as a younger fellow...

gotta love LARD - mannngoaattttt.... classic song..

anyone remember the 'revolting cocks' ??... another minister spin off - i believe..

 

[xy9ine]

"in case you didn't feel like showing up", my favorite live performance recording of any band ever. can't get enough of it still to this day.

ministry rocks.

good call. great recording. that album seemed like the soundtrack to my university years in recollection... i was a big rivethead back then; front 242, frontline assembly, nitzer ebb, wumpscut, kmfdm, snog, skinny puppy, nin, download, leatherstrip, haujobb, lustmord, einsturzende neubauten, foetus... lots of fun stuff.

hi, t!

 

[xy9ine]

some crazzzzyy times listening to ministry as a younger fellow...

gotta love LARD - mannngoaattttt.... classic song..

anyone remember the 'revolting cocks' ??... another minister spin off - i believe..

yeah, i've got some revco in the collection. they played on this years ministry tour. (though i missed it - i wanted to go, but forgot all about the date in vancouver). coincidentally... a few weeks later, we were on holidays in montreal, and we randomly walked right by the venue ministry happened to be playing - just before the show started up. my pleas fell upon my wifes seemingly deaf ears.

 

[BillT]

yeah, i've got some revco in the collection. they played on this years ministry tour. (though i missed it - i wanted to go, but forgot all about the date in vancouver). coincidentally... a few weeks later, we were on holidays in montreal, and we randomly walked right by the venue ministry happened to be playing - just before the show started up. my pleas fell upon my wifes seemingly deaf ears.

The show was great in Orlando. RevCo busted out some old stuff - Beers, Steers, and Queers, Attack Ships on Fire (Luc Van Acker on vocals), Stainless Steel Providers - and some new stuff that I wasn't familiar with and ended it with their cover of Rod Stewart's Do You Think I'm Sexy, which featured Luc running around in a giant penis costume.

 

[MikeD]

didn't know that!

there was a german exhibit @ the MFA in boston a few years ago and one of the paintings they had showing was the gerard richter one which Sonic Youth used as the cover for _Daydream Nation_

Yeah, Beuys was a fighter pilot in the Luftwaffe on the eastern front...he was shot down several times, but the last one he nearly died after his plane, in flames, crashed on the Russian steppes...he was pretty badly burned. A tribe of Tartars nursed him back to health, and they wrapped him in animal fat and felt to try and heal his burns. As I recall, they even asked him to join the tribe when he was abulatory, but he found his way back to Germany instead.

That's why all his installations have the big buckets of fat in them (usually with the thermometers sticking out...) and often pieces of felt.

When you first see the installations, they look very unemotional (und Cherman...), but once you understand the symbols, you see they're actually pretty fiercely personal. That's not to say I really like his stuff; I tend not to like things that require such inside knowledge to comprehend.

MD

 

[stevew]

 

[Bicyclist]

You just heard a Ministry song???? Where have you been hiding???

 

[narlus]

Yeah, Beuys was a fighter pilot in the Luftwaffe on the eastern front...he was shot down several times, but the last one he nearly died after his plane, in flames, crashed on the Russian steppes...he was pretty badly burned. A tribe of Tartars nursed him back to health, and they wrapped him in animal fat and felt to try and heal his burns. As I recall, they even asked him to join the tribe when he was abulatory, but he found his way back to Germany instead.

That's why all his installations have the big buckets of fat in them (usually with the thermometers sticking out...) and often pieces of felt.

When you first see the installations, they look very unemotional (und Cherman...), but once you understand the symbols, you see they're actually pretty fiercely personal. That's not to say I really like his stuff; I tend not to like things that require such inside knowledge to comprehend.

MD

thanks for the insight...all the yellowy blobs of fat in the installations make sense now.

 

[scrublover]

Perfect timing! Haven't listened to any Ministry in a while; added them to one of my Pandora channels.

"The Angel" off of Twitch is streaming right now.

 

[BillT]

Twitch was a great album...Over the Shoulder and Isle of Man were my favorites from that album.