just wrap the tinfoil tighter guys
- Thread starter jonKranked
- Start date
Oh f**k me.
So it's ok when Bushie tramples on the Constitution and American's rights, because he had an R after his name. Now that a darkie is in the White House with a D after his name, suddenly they remember their convictions and start preparing for Civil War II? Give me a F***ING break.
Cause we all know the most practical weapon after the collapse of civilization will be a 50 caliber sniper rifle that can kill from a mile away and reduce game to a pink mist.
i love how they bridged the gap from "pre-emptive strike" to "martial law"
Yikes. Yet some how I'm totally not suprised. This belongs in either the Kidwoo for President thread or the Janet Napolitano thank you thread.
TheDesmondo?
Last edited:
I honestly think that this ultra-right-wing tea party bullsh!t is going to end up looking like the KKK around the beginning of the 20th century. A populace afraid of change and what the government was going to "take away from them", a new media that enabled them to reach out to new members and camouflage their true actions (Woodrow Wilson claimed that Birth of a Nation was "...like writing history with Lightning. And my only regret is that it is all so terribly true.") The KKK marched in Washington in the 1920s, covered in American flags and proclaiming themselves to be the only true defenders of the US and it's Constitution. I only hope that the American public sees this BS for what it is before (more) people die...
You think race has something to do with this?
MikeD to the white courtesy phone please.
(To be fair, we had an upswing of militia nuts during the Clinton years as well, right?)
You must have missed this part of the article:You think race has something to do with this?
MikeD to the white courtesy phone please.
(To be fair, we had an upswing of militia nuts during the Clinton years as well, right?)
False flag postings by fascist communist liberals.
I found this funny:
Rhodes has also worked as a firearms instructor and a sculptorfor Vegas' MGM Grand hotel, he produced a fiberglass Minuteman statueand has practiced law in small-town Montana ("Ivy League quality without Ivy League expense"). He writes a gun-rights column for SWAT magazine. He's a libertarian, staunch constitutionalist, and devout Christian.
How you reconcile libertarianism with Christianity? You'd have to be a retard that knows little to nothing about either.
Enter the Desmondo in 3...2.....1.....
I actually got a letter from Rhoades after I retired. I guess they have access to military info the FOIA. I laughed when I read it. He made it out to be a "alumni" type fraternal organization of veterans, law enforcement, etc. Very glossy and slick.
Ummm.......wut?
I'm not a soldier, but I can appreciate taking an oath and serving your country faithfully.
There has always been dissension whenever a "weak" president has taken over.
But let's say you decide to buck your orders. As soon as 2013, we could have a Republican president, and the next thing you know, whatever rules or orders you were fighting, you now would embrace.
But you will always be branded a bad soldier because you chose to disobey your orders in 2010.
Beck will still have his job, but you will SOL.
There has always been dissension whenever a "weak" president has taken over.
But let's say you decide to buck your orders. As soon as 2013, we could have a Republican president, and the next thing you know, whatever rules or orders you were fighting, you now would embrace.
But you will always be branded a bad soldier because you chose to disobey your orders in 2010.
Beck will still have his job, but you will SOL.
But the thing with these type guys is they rebel against any form of government that does not embrace the strictly militant point of view they have. It even referenced in the article how they sat and bragged about their military exploits, which most of them dream up reading Soldier of Fortune. This group was formed during the Bush administration and has been vocal against the Patriot Act, The DHS, etc. They tend to think that a civilian government will always be pussified and guns, God and glory is the only way to defend the country. The majority of these guys would crap their pants if they ever had to really pull the trigger. They have no concept of the notion that honorable service entails the following of legal orders and respecting the leadership that is either voted in or appointed over them.
This leads to a larger debate: following orders, just or unjust?
Would you serve as a concentration camp guard? How about fighting in Cambodia? Invading Iraq?
I have no answer, particularly about the last one, which I disagree with personally but would accept my orders if I was in this situation.
Would you serve as a concentration camp guard? How about fighting in Cambodia? Invading Iraq?
I have no answer, particularly about the last one, which I disagree with personally but would accept my orders if I was in this situation.
I'd argue that if you join the US military, it shouldn't be a surprise when you find yourself in some third world country blowing up people that might not deserve it. Then again, you have to factor in what schools are teaching, and all the commercials that the US military runs that makes being in the army seem like a paid version of a boarding high school...so who the **** knows?
what i find funny is that there's no more a chance of "martial law" under obama than there was of the fourth Reich under dubya.
Whew. This a debate that has gone on for years and will never really be concluded I think. I can only answser for me personally. Nuremberg resolved the question that you can't use "just following orders" as a defense for criminal acts. But obviously, the moral defense someone uses for themselves is a personal one and varies with the individual. I believe that a certain amount of trust and faith in the elected and appointed leadership is required to maintain good order and discipline and to ensure mission completion. You are taught from early on in the military on how to distinguish between lawful and unlawful orders. For example, you have every right to question any order that you know will unnecessarily put yourself or fellow members in a dangerous situation not related to direct combat (training, etc) or to knowingly violate US law or the Geneva Convention. That is a gray area and has obviously been interpreted many different ways.
As to your specific examples, concentration camp guard, you would have to be of questionable moral standards to knowingly accept and condone what went on there. Cambodia, there is an out there that if you were there to maybe prevent further loss of life by your own units, you have to accept that and weigh it accordingly. Invading Iraq would be based on the above faith and assumption that there was reasonable intel and reason as determined by leadership to justify that action.
Bottom line, after about 3 days into military service you realize that you will be asked to follow orders, some of which you may not agree with. The beauty of a volunteer force is that you have an opportunity, even in boot camp, to decide to be an objector and move on.
And maybe it's just me, but I find it funny that these guys base their movement around the oath they took where it concerns the Constitution. Rhodes wants strict adherence to the Constitution as it was written by the founders, yet it's clear the founders wanted it to be a "living document" that would be changed as needed. Never mind the part about obeying the "orders of the President and the officers appointed over me" They also throw around the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, but they aren't anywhere in the oath.
Lol, nope.
The government is scared to death of that last question coming out...
That's all you have? You spent the better part of a day trying to convince us to watch the movie quoted in this related story and a lol is all you have? C'mon now, get in here and fight!
what, don't practice what you preach? typical christian. you're as worthless as the sh*t and donkey jizz stained thong i brought back from Tijuana
Those movies don't advocate violence or any militia activity. Those militia groups who advocate violence are shooting themselves in the foot.
No way dude, I don't preach violence.
Come on man.
He may seem a little nutty but his responses really aren't n8 caliber......which deserves every bit of that kind of reaction.
edit: why did a donkey jizz on your thong? I mean feces I can understand but......
Last edited:
What scares me the most is that not only might they literally shoot themselves in the foot someday, but that they'll shoot their fvcking neighbors because they voted for the guy who's not mccain.
And you have to admit: the position you've taken just in your short foray into this forum, DOES kind of empower these kinds of nutjobs.
The hell they don't. Sure its not said outright, but what do you think a person is supposed to feel/want to do after watching a 2 hour "documentary" about how the government is conspiring to basically enslave them. Why would you not take up arms against your oppressor if you actually thought that was true? I would.
but you preach stupidity, which is just as dangerous.
Tijuana...
Don't be so hard on the guy. I listen to Alex Jones too but purely from an anthropological standpoint (if that makes sense). That sh1t cracks me up. Same reason I read "Children of the Matrix."
yea, I listen to / watch Beck, O'Reilly, Palin, the tea bigots, etc, but from an Art of War / Know Thy Enemy standpoint.
I also do the same thing. Seriously. These people are there for deception and are an enemy to the real truth movement.
Last edited:
You would take up arms? You do realize that is exactly what the new world order/ globalists would want because then they would have an excuse to really ramp up the police state. That's what I meant by saying that these militia groups are shooting themselves in the foot.
Last edited:
"the real truth"....
as opposed to "just the truth" or "truthiness" or "kinda sorta the way things should be"??
as opposed to "just the truth" or "truthiness" or "kinda sorta the way things should be"??
You make it sound like there's some "they" out there ready to grab power.......like something out of John's Revelation.
You know the newest member of the New World Order, Scott Brown, just voted for a Democratic jobs bill.
But yet, Rhodes appeared in the movie you advocated for us to watch. Are you seriously saying that the Oath Keepers could not be considered a militia group considering their target audience and their stated beliefs?
I am seriously saying that the Oath Keepers should not be considered a militia group. You know why? Because their stated beliefs on their website indicate that they are not a militia group.
Who else would their targeted audience be if not military and law enforcement? Military and law enforcement are precisely the people that could theoretically carry out unconstitutional orders. By joining the Oath Keepers, you are not joining a violent revolutionary group, but a group who would simply refuse to obey unconstitutional orders.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/about/
Well of course they'd say they're not a militia group...otherwise people might start saying that they are a militia group.
Unless, putting "not a militia group" on their website is meant to deceive people to the fact that they really ARE a militia group that just doesn't want everyone to know that they are militia group but all the guys in the back room really know what's up and are just that much smarter than all the other c*cksuckers out there and their namby pamby Democratic bullsh*t that they spout non-stop and don't know who the f*ck really runs this sh*t cause it's not about the benjamins it's about the f*cking constitution and we all really need to not proclaim that we're a militia group cause then the government will come knocking and we'll have to man-up early when we're not quite set, but we'll get there, and then there will be hell to pay, baby...you just wait...
Maybe it's kinda like that.
Unless, putting "not a militia group" on their website is meant to deceive people to the fact that they really ARE a militia group that just doesn't want everyone to know that they are militia group but all the guys in the back room really know what's up and are just that much smarter than all the other c*cksuckers out there and their namby pamby Democratic bullsh*t that they spout non-stop and don't know who the f*ck really runs this sh*t cause it's not about the benjamins it's about the f*cking constitution and we all really need to not proclaim that we're a militia group cause then the government will come knocking and we'll have to man-up early when we're not quite set, but we'll get there, and then there will be hell to pay, baby...you just wait...
Maybe it's kinda like that.