[dante]

I am seriously saying that the Oath Keepers should not be considered a militia group. You know why? Because their stated beliefs on their website indicate that they are not a militia group.

Seriously, that's your best argument as to why they're not a militant militia group, is that they say so? Would you also believe that the Crips were a benevolent community organization established to ensure the equal advancement of colored people? It's what CRIPS stands for, Communities Responsible for Involvement in Polite Society. Just look it up on their website.

And I apologize for neg repping you twice now (in a short period of time, now that I think about it), but jeez, if that's the best argument you can come up with, just stay quiet. They can't call themselves a militia since then active military personnel can't be members. So they don't call themselves one, and proceed to act EXACTLY LIKE A MILITIA.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I thought it was a street side version of the "We Crippled Wit Respect" thread by T-Pirate....

Huh...pretty close though...

 

[dante]

 

[Pesqueeb]

You would take up arms? You do realize that is exactly what the new world order/ globalists would want because then they would have an excuse to really ramp up the police state. That's what I meant by saying that these militia groups are shooting themselves in the foot.

Wow. That is some powerful delusion you have their. So you believe all this NWO crap yet your going to sit in a corner and watch your country be assimilated? That's chickensh*t. If your going to go retard, man up and go full retard.
And yes, if I was so far round the bend to believe that people were going to be/are getting hauled of to labor camps, being enslaved, etc, yes I would sign up for some armed resistance. The difference is that I recognize what you endorse as paranoid hyperbole/closeted racism/xenophobic crazy talk.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

"Timmmm-ayyyyyyy"
"Jimmmm-ayyyyyyy"
"Timmmm-ayyyyyyy"
"Jimmmm-ayyyyyyy"

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Wow. That is some powerful delusion you have their. So you believe all this NWO crap yet your going to sit in a corner and watch your country be assimilated? That's chicken****. If your going to go retard, man up and go full retard.
And yes, if I was so far round the bend to believe that people were going to be/are getting hauled of to labor camps, being enslaved, etc, yes I would sign up for some armed resistance. The difference is that I recognize what you endorse as paranoid hyperbole/closeted racism/xenophobic crazy talk.

You have hotdogs in your avatar.

 

[Pesqueeb]

You have hotdogs in your avatar.

 

[jonKranked]

I am seriously saying that the Oath Keepers should not be considered a militia group. You know why? Because their stated beliefs on their website indicate that they are not a militia group.

Who else would their targeted audience be if not military and law enforcement? Military and law enforcement are precisely the people that could theoretically carry out unconstitutional orders. By joining the Oath Keepers, you are not joining a violent revolutionary group, but a group who would simply refuse to obey unconstitutional orders.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/about/

And Hitler said he was pro-Germany and human rights, and wanted to bring Germany back to prominence.


you remind me of the evangelicals that went to Uganda to preach against homosexuality and how evil it is, then backpedaled when Uganda proposed a law to make homosexuality punishable by death:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html?ref=todayspaper

It's called "bridging the gap". Unforeseen consequences. It's like playing chess, you have to think many moves ahead (not that you have the cognitive ability to do so). Stupidity and ignorance breeds irrational thought. Irrational thought, when pressured and motivated by fear and paranoia, produces irrational behavior. Irrational behavior, again, when combined and pressured by fear and paranoia, leads to violence.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Dictionaries are fvckin cool !

Militia |məˈli sh ə|

noun
a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
• a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.
• all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.

ORIGIN late 16th cent.: from Latin, literally ‘military service,’ from miles, milit- ‘soldier.’

And for the literary elite, Sarah Palin's masterpiece :

Rogue |rōg|

noun
1 a dishonest or unprincipled man : you are a rogue and an embezzler.
• a person whose behavior one disapproves of but who is nonetheless likable or attractive (often used as a playful term of reproof) : Cenzo, you old rogue!
2 [usu. as adj. ] an elephant or other large wild animal driven away or living apart from the herd and having savage or destructive tendencies : a rogue elephant.
• a person or thing that behaves in an aberrant, faulty, or unpredictable way : he hacked into data and ran rogue programs.
• an inferior or defective specimen among many satisfactory ones, esp. a seedling or plant deviating from the standard variety.
verb [ trans. ]
remove inferior or defective plants or seedlings from (a crop).

ORIGIN mid 16th cent. (denoting an idle vagrant): probably from Latin rogare ‘beg, ask,’ and related to obsolete slang roger [vagrant beggar] (many such cant terms were introduced toward the middle of the 16th cent.).

 

[X3pilot]

I am seriously saying that the Oath Keepers should not be considered a militia group. You know why? Because their stated beliefs on their website indicate that they are not a militia group.

Who else would their targeted audience be if not military and law enforcement? Military and law enforcement are precisely the people that could theoretically carry out unconstitutional orders. By joining the Oath Keepers, you are not joining a violent revolutionary group, but a group who would simply refuse to obey unconstitutional orders.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/about/

Did you read any of my other post? Or could you not figure out my background from the subtle hints I left?

Oh, and by the way, police cannot carry out orders, they can only enforce the current laws. If the President tries to order a cop around, I think we call that martial law.

Can't aruge the point about military carrying out unconstitutional orders. Wait, yes I can. Google the UCMJ and see what it says in there about types of orders.

 

[rockofullr]

Irrational thought, when pressured and motivated by fear and paranoia, produces irrational behavior. Irrational behavior, again, when combined and pressured by fear and paranoia, leads to violence.

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

 

[blue]

Drugs, ordnance found in Warr Acres home, police say

FROM STAFF REPORTS
Published: February 24, 2010

WARR ACRES — Police said they found military ordnance, illegal mushrooms and other drugs in the home of a man who was arrested Tuesday.

John Francis Wallace, 46, was arrested after Warr Acres police served an arrest warrant with the assistance of an Oklahoma County Sheriff's Department bomb squad, said Sgt. John Gray, Warr Acres police spokesman.
Officers went to Wallace's house at 5710 N Central about 6:10 a.m. Tuesday and found methamphetamine, the drug ecstasy, marijuana and psilocybin mushrooms, Gray said.
Wallace was arrested on drug-related complaints.
Gray said he could not comment on ordnance found in the house because he plans to discuss the case with agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Wallace is in Oklahoma County jail with bail set at $65,000, a jailer said.

http://www.newsok.com/drugs-ordnance-found-in-warr-acres-home-police-say/article/3441893

Bwaaahahahah

 

[Pesqueeb]

^^^^^Ralph Nader?^^^^^

 

[dante]

Bwaaahahahah

Huh? I'm missnig the connection....

 

[SkaredShtles]

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

 

[jonKranked]

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Pretty much sums up Christianity right there.

 

[MikeD]

Actually, Silver, I've never said that there isn't a lunatic racist fringe--I just don't ascribe any and every thing, including American foreign policy decisions, to racism...

In any case, the Oath Keepers bunch kinda scares me. Not because of what they say, but because the same people would/did sit by and watch or support all of the developments they say they oppose, then launch into "action" when a black democrat gets into office.

Not that I disagree with the idea that the military should refuse unconstitutional orders, mind you--just that having a democrat, esp. a black one, who's largely continuing and sorta moderating the policies of his predecessor, means it's time to do so.

And pretty much everyone in the military should be keeping his/her oath to do so, not a fringe bunch of wide-eyed Ron-Paul crazed teabagger racists.

 

[Straya]

Anyone else see the resemblance?

 

[valve bouncer]

Lay off the Bundy cobber.

 

[ohio]

Huh? I'm missnig the connection....

he. looks. like. nader.

 

[Silver]

Actually, Silver, I've never said that there isn't a lunatic racist fringe--I just don't ascribe any and every thing, including American foreign policy decisions, to racism...

That's a bit of a mischaracterization. I don't ascribe those policies exclusively to racism, I think greed and general bullying can also help flesh out the picture.

By lunatic racist fringe, you mean the GOP, I assume?

 

[3D.]

I’m not sure what has become more of a scare… lunatics like Lee Pray or the millions of people still blindly supporting our administration.

So far with our “democratically elected ™” leadership we have:

- a president who has unjustly spent trillions of taxpayers hard earned dollars on bailing out Wall Street corruption and gambling, while boldly lying about what it meant for Main Street

- a president that had promised to ramp down our presence in the middle east and has now escalated the afghan invasion to a level well beyond anything Bush could have obtained (and received a Noble Peace Prize for it!)

- a president that had promised major advancements in the production of green energy but has done nothing significant other than retro fitting some government facilities with solar panels and trying to fire up a “cleaner” (not clean) coal power plant in the mid west,

- a president that has staffed his white house with many of the financial and political crooks that helped cause this current demise (Larry Summers, Tim Geitner, etc.) including hiring Hillary as Secretary of State, who’s husband can be held responsible for promoting much of today’s outsourcing ideology including signing China onto the WTO for permanent status (which has solely reshaped and destroyed the U.S. manufacturing industry)

- a president who had promised to eradicate much of Bush’s unlawful executive orders such as the patriot act, which now has its extension stuffed deep in the new jobs bill that’s on the rise (can’t say no to a jobs bill, right?)

- a president who has, at the very least, doubled our deficit not for one year, but for the next proposed ten years (while being an outspoken preacher of fiscal responsibility and dangers of deficit spending)

The list goes on and on…

Watching people shoot spit balls across the isle at each over useless topics such as what Palin or Glen said on some gay tv show tells me that not many people are paying attention to the bigger picture, call them distractions if you will.

Having petty debates over democrats vs. republicans, while not realizing that they are one in the same, displays a disconnect of the people from what is currently driving capitol hill, and that is the military-industrial complex .period.

Eisenhower warned the people of the MIC’s unstoppable influence in his farewell address and here we are in 2010 with an administration that is not only fully driven by the MIC, but is also the main prostitute for the Wall Street fat boys. It’s a double whammy that speaks nothing for empowering the people of this country, or the people of any other country for that matter.

If our president was actually the revolutionary thinker and outspoken advocate of the people that everyone thought they were voting for, he would have already been replaced or exterminated.

This forum has turned into such a pro-administration rally that it’s hard to tell the difference between the early misguided Bush years and the current misguided ones. Sometimes it’s like listening to a gaggle of abused house wives talking about how he still loves me and really doesn’t mean it when he pounds on me. Or, like watching N8 post up pro Bush garbage that was hard to stomach, much less support.

So when our silver tongued prize winning fearless leader leads us into the collapse of the dollar, more endless wars we can’t afford, and possibly world war III over the Iran sanctions, we can all just say that it was all for the good of the people of the world… just to make it all feel righteous.

And when the fake funny money (cause that’s all it is) for all the government/state backed offices/projects runs dry and those people are then forced to join the masses of unemployed, we can all say “well, he did everything he could in his power to stop it from happening”, regardless of how absurd his Bush type tactics were.

It’s going to be another 8 years of entertainment watching everyone bounce around from one perspective to the other, like crazy Christian extremists who need an authority figure to tell them how to think and conduct there lives. Everyone was so close to putting an end to this crap with the Bush implosion, but didn’t. Instead we overwhelmingly elected a wolf in a sheep suit to pick up right where he left off, there couldn’t be a better platform for finishing the dirty work that was already in progress. Good job America

And yes those videos were poorly done and should’ve never been put into circulation in such form. But, I think you guys are a little harsh on the old Des, he’s just a guy trying to figure out what this mess is all about… cut him some slack. At least he’s giving the effort and ultimately wants freedom for the people.

edit: continue hate

 

[MikeD]

By lunatic racist fringe, you mean the GOP, I assume?

Never saw that one coming...

 

[Silver]

Never saw that one coming...

30% of the country is a little large to be called the fringe, you're right.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Having petty debates over democrats vs. republicans, while not realizing that they are one in the same, displays a disconnect of the people from what is currently driving capitol hill, and that is the military-industrial complex .period.

The Democrats have moved to the right, and the Republicans have moved into the nuthouse. -Bill Maher

Eisenhower warned the people of the MIC’s unstoppable influence in his farewell address and here we are in 2010 with an administration that is not only fully driven by the MIC, but is also the main prostitute for the Wall Street fat boys. It’s a double whammy that speaks nothing for empowering the people of this country, or the people of any other country for that matter.

I believe this to be true.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence – economic, political, even spiritual – is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

But we can't afford health care reform

 

[jonKranked]

But we can't afford health care reform

because that's the opposite of killing them. if we're gonna kill all these people, we should at least eat them. might shut some people up if world hunger was ended.

 

[Pesqueeb]

because that's the opposite of killing them. if we're gonna kill all these people, we should at least eat them. might shut some people up if world hunger was ended.

 

[Silver]

More from the lunatic fringe:

In this country, we had slavery for God knows how long. And now we look back on it and we say "How brave were they? What was the matter with them? You know, I can't believe, you know, four million slaves. This is incredible." And we're right, we're right. We should look back on that with criticism. It is a crushing mark on America's soul. And yet today, half of all black children are aborted. Half of all black children are aborted. Far more of the African American community is being devastated by the policies of today than were being devastated by the policies of slavery. And I think, What does it take to get us to wake up?

Said by this guy:

http://www.house.gov/franks/

Who has a MLK quote on the front of his page...what a country!

There is a reasonable case to be made that this guy isn't racist but just bat**** crazy, however. I'm sure something else will come up in the next day or two though...

 

[dante]

I’m not sure what has become more of a scare… lunatics like Lee Pray or the millions of people still blindly supporting our administration.

So far with our “democratically elected ™” leadership we have:

- a president who has unjustly spent trillions of taxpayers hard earned dollars on bailing out Wall Street corruption and gambling, while boldly lying about what it meant for Main Street

TARP was passed under GWB. Regardless, read up on "credit crunch" and what it means for main street. While you're at it, read up on 1929-1932...

- a president that had promised to ramp down our presence in the middle east and has now escalated the afghan invasion to a level well beyond anything Bush could have obtained (and received a Noble Peace Prize for it!)

And has stated that combat troops will be gone from Iraq by August, 2010.

- a president that had promised major advancements in the production of green energy but has done nothing significant other than retro fitting some government facilities with solar panels and trying to fire up a “cleaner” (not clean) coal power plant in the mid west,

No answer.

- a president that has staffed his white house with many of the financial and political crooks that helped cause this current demise (Larry Summers, Tim Geitner, etc.) including hiring Hillary as Secretary of State, who’s husband can be held responsible for promoting much of today’s outsourcing ideology including signing China onto the WTO for permanent status (which has solely reshaped and destroyed the U.S. manufacturing industry)

You're holding Hillary (as sec of state) responsible for something her husband did? Me thinks you're reaching just a tad...

- a president who had promised to eradicate much of Bush’s unlawful executive orders such as the patriot act, which now has its extension stuffed deep in the new jobs bill that’s on the rise (can’t say no to a jobs bill, right?)

I hold Democrats in Congress responsible for this. Also, technically the Patriot Act was a bill, not an Executive Order, and if Obama were to issue an Executive Order contradicting it, it would theoretically put him into a questionable legal status.

- a president who has, at the very least, doubled our deficit not for one year, but for the next proposed ten years (while being an outspoken preacher of fiscal responsibility and dangers of deficit spending)

Not true. He increased the budget from 1.3t to 1.6t. The 2009 budget was done and complete by the time he actually took office (and Bush passed it on to him as a way to score political points)

The list goes on and on…

Do go on and on.

Am I happy? No. Do I think that he should've taken the reigns and led more, particularly in keeping the Democratic Congress in line? Yup. Do I think that he's some magical messiah who can suddenly fix everything the Bush administration f**ked up in the first couple months? Nope. Do I think he's as bad as the Republicans? DEFINITELY NOT.

Des deserves every bit of sh!t and more, since he throws some propaganda films up and doesn't have a thing to say to actually defend them or to think for himself. When he can put forward an argument (like you just did), he'll catch far less flak and will actually be debated...

 

[Straya]

So far with our “democratically elected ™” leadership we have:

Jeez if you didn't like how Obama got in you must have been absolutely spewing when Bush got up a second time! How did you ever get over that?

 

[ohio]

No answer.

First real movement towards Nuclear in 30 years. I'd say that's progress, since the promise of wind/solar is pretty minimal.

 

[kidwoo]

First real movement towards Nuclear in 30 years. I'd say that's progress, since the promise of wind/solar is pretty minimal.

When people talk about green energy, I don't think it's used to describe the glow.

 

[ohio]

When people talk about green energy, I don't think it's used to describe the glow.

All the energy we could ever need AND 3-titted wimminz. What's not to love? The vaunted 3-on-2 would finally make sense, and be well-lit.

Check out Gates-funded Terrapower. Burns U-238 (waste from todays U-235 reactors) like a log over 50-100 years, leaving about 1/100th of the waste for the same energy. It'll be 20 years before it's online, but it's pretty amazing stuff.

 

[jonKranked]

Check out Gates-funded Terrapower. Burns U-238 (waste from todays U-235 reactors) like a log over 50-100 years, leaving about 1/100th of the waste for the same energy. It'll be 20 years before it's online, but it's pretty amazing stuff.

Saw that the other day. Definitely cool stuff. Better than throwing it into a volcano



why not just launch radioactive waste into the sun?

 

[kidwoo]

Burns U-238

Oh reaaalllllly.......


Sounds fun.

 

[jonKranked]

Oh reaaalllllly.......


Sounds fun.

its like a cigarette.

 

[ohio]

its like a cigarette.

Like America smoking one big cigarette. Together. :hugs:

 

[jonKranked]

Like America smoking one big cigarette. Together. :hugs:

puff puff pass

 

[Pesqueeb]

Pretty good article I read last month about Nuclear Power and some alternatives here.

why not just launch radioactive waste into the sun?

 

[ohio]

Pretty good article I read last month about Nuclear Power and some alternatives here.

I read that same article, and I'm reserving enthusiasm... it sounds simply too good to be true. How stupid would we feel as humanity if we've been sitting on an energy source that is clean, cheap, safe, plentiful, and carbon neutral that we've KNOWN about since the 50s? It's an impossible proposition. That it didn't emerge during the oil crisis of the 70s, the electricity crises of the early 00s, or during any of the environmental/climate change debates of the last 5 years...