I wouldn't know, it's too hard to find since some genius unstuck it.you guys know there is a 10+ Page thread completely dedicated to DH tires right?
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Keep running Minion DHF's or try something new?
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I have just ridden a season on the Specialized Butcher DH and I think that they're really amazing.
The grip level is very similar to the DHFs. I find that you can get them to slide when you want to and they are very predictable when that happens. They also wear down very well, the center knobs don't just peel off like the DHFs.
The grip level is very similar to the DHFs. I find that you can get them to slide when you want to and they are very predictable when that happens. They also wear down very well, the center knobs don't just peel off like the DHFs.
Exactly. I read that also. Good translating thanks. Good also too see Jérôme on the comments answering the doubters.Looking at this pic from Val D'Allos, it looks like Dan is on dual-DHR2s:
source. Also interesting to note is that Graves is on dual-DHFs.
I'll also note that in the comments, Clementz comments on being called out for running Maxxis tires on day 2 after his puncture on day 1. He says his contract with Mavic is for development only, he is still free to run what he wants at races. He chose Maxxis tires because he has tested them with tubes and is confident in them. Because of EWS rules, he had to ride the same rim he started off with (or incur a 5 minute penalty, effectively taking him entirely out of the game). so with a compromised rim, he needed to go with tubes, and decided to go with a combo he knows, has tested, and trusts.
Was Graves running Dh casing DHFs or the exo version?
hell of a race it was! funny how nobody is talking about it on RM.
According to his blog he was running single-ply 2.5 EXO Minion DHFs set up ghetto tubeless on DT EX500 rims using the split tube method. And he had no flats unlike some other riders running legit UST wheels. Of course there are geniuoses on here that would claim that is unpossible.
Or just people who don't have access to tires every 72hours.
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If I was racing and had a mechanic to replace my tires every weekend I might try that too.
I have to admit. I've blown some holes in some EXOs. But I have no idea what pressure I was running compared to Jared Graves, and the truth is......I don't think they ever went during the first two days of use 
I have to admit. I've blown some holes in some EXOs. But I have no idea what pressure I was running compared to Jared Graves, and the truth is......I don't think they ever went during the first two days of use
I've never tried them tubeless, but I have torn a couple off rims on my trail bike. Never run them on a big bike at all, but I'm with you in that I haven't killed one straight off.
Back when I was working in a shop, Conti gave me some of their Trail King 2.4 SuperSonics to try out. They were like 530g each for a 2.4. Neither survived the first ride.
I'll throw down a challenge here. You try setting up DHF Exos on EX500s with the split tube method. We can discuss the unpossibleness and my geniuosness after.
LOL I unstuck it and attached it to the FAQ thread. I'll re-sticky it as it's quite clear that a single post that accumulates all the most important and useful threads (like what trailbike for a downhiller) is borderline particle physics for most users.
Three things.
I'll throw down a challenge here. You try setting up DHF Exos on EX500s with the split tube method. We can discuss the unpossibleness and my geniuosness after.
One, that was not directed at you or any one person. It was to all the folks that abjectly deny that a particular tire setup (or tread) will work based on their limited scope of personal experience.
Two, the info on Graves setup was taken from his race journal which was posted on Vital. It also stated that he ran 27psi front and 30 psi rear. I have no idea how long he runs his tire setup before he swaps it out. For all I know he tossed his entire bike in a French river at the end of the weekend. What I do suspect is that he wouldn't run that setup if it wasn't reliable. And as I pointed out, it turned out to be more reliable than some other setups. As for mine, I have a setup that works for me and I'll likely stick to until I'm ready to try something else.
Third, and maybe the key point, is the confusion of what people are using the tires discussed here for exactly. Even though this is the DH forum, I can't help but think what is often being discussed is for trail bikes and not DH bikes. I know MP started this thread clearly talking about his DH setup, but as often happens, it evolves into a general tire discussion. That's fine, I know it's the internet and all that, but it does muddy what is being discussed. I can tell you that if we are talking a purely DH tire setup, that I run tubes in proper dual-ply DH tires (HR2s).
Okay, now he's just a liar
Seriously though, if those were fast descents that's nuts. That's the range that I seem to let myself creep down to when I start pinging rims (and subsequently start puncturing them.
Guilty as hell. I've run lighter wheels/tires on my dh bike but that was some specific applications. I've never, and never would run EXO tires on my dh bike normally. And to the dh/vs trail bike thing, you're the one who brought up graves doing a trail bike race
i attempted 30+/- psi on the trail bike with singleplys and tubes yesterday...Okay, now he's just a liar
Seriously though, if those were fast descents that's nuts. That's the range that I seem to let myself creep down to when I start pinging rims (and subsequently start puncturing them.
managed to keep air in the tires until the last corner which was fireroad..rocky and highspeed but still fireroad..dont know how it didnt happen on the miles of rocky singletrack before that...
i can imagine with tubeless the rims would get hammered pretty quick..put a nice dent in it yesterday
Or maybe not.
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No sir, you can thank ZoRo for thatAnd to the dh/vs trail bike thing, you're the one who brought up graves doing a trail bike race
That guy's a dick!No sir, you can thank ZoRo for that
I guess that's one benefit of running the ghetto/cut tube thing. Your tire hits a thin layer of rubber instead of a hard aluminum rim. Might be sumpin to that. I got tired of screwing around with it about 8 years ago though.
I just assumed it was at least partially directed at me as I have been on a bit of an anti-tubeless jihad of late. I am not opposed to the whole idea but people are using really unsound and unsafe combinations for the sake of overhyped gains. This particular combination may have gotten Graves through the weekend but I can tell you from personal experience that it is very difficult to get them set up.
Things really escalated quickly in here...
Wait what?!!!! You damn tire nazi getting all crossed for a lump of rubber!!!!
BTW it was Slyfink who brought the whole discussion in the enduro realm by talking about enduro setups in Val d'Allos
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wait just a cotton pickin' minute there cowboy... it was Tuumbaq that brought it up, responding to cableguy... I was just filling in his blank...
This gave me a happy.
Sorry bro no harm intented. The ol' monkey got out of hand like usual.