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Kerry: Allawi's Take on Iraq Unrealistic

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Right on John-boy, what the fvck does Allawi know anyway, it ain't like he's from Iraq or anything...

:p

Kerry: Allawi's Take on Iraq Unrealistic
Associated Press | September 23 | NEDRA PICKLER

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Thursday that Iraq's Ayad Allawi was sent before Congress to put the ``best face'' on Bush administration policy.

Shortly after Allawi, the interim government's prime minister, gave a rosy portrayal of progress toward peace in Iraq, Kerry said the assessment contradicted reality on the ground.

``The prime minister and the president are here obviously to put their best face on the policy, but the fact is that the CIA estimates, the reporting, the ground operations and the troops all tell a different story,'' Kerry said.

Allawi told a joint meeting of Congress that democratic elections will take place in Iraq in January as scheduled, but Kerry said that was unrealistic.

``The United States and the Iraqis have retreated from whole areas of Iraq,'' Kerry told reporters outside a Columbus firehouse. ``There are no-go zones in Iraq today. You can't hold an election in a no-go zone.''

Kerry's remarks come one day after he told The Associated Press that President Bush's statement that a ``handful'' of people are willing to kill to stop progress in Iraq was a blunder that showed he was avoiding reality.

``George Bush let Osama bin Laden escape at Tora Bora,'' Kerry said in a brief interview Wednesday. ``George Bush retreated from Fallujah and other communities in Iraq which are now overrun with terrorists and threaten our troops. And George Bush said on the record we can't win the war on terror.

``And even today, he blundered again saying there are only a handful of terrorists in Iraq,'' Kerry said. ``I think he's living in a make believe world.''

Bush, campaigning in Pennsylvania on Wednesday, said: ``It's hard to help a country go from tyranny to elections to peace when there are a handful of people who are willing to kill in order to stop the process. And that's what you're seeing on the TV screens. You know, these people cannot beat us militarily.''

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Thursday, ``It only took 19 people to take down the World Trade Center towers and kill 3,000 people.'' He said that in Iraq, ``you've seen how a small number of suicide bombers can have a dramatic effect.''

Bush said Wednesday the insurgents ``use the only tool at their disposal, which is beheadings and death, to try to shake our will. They understand the nature of America. ... We weep when we think about the families affected by those who have been brutalized by these terrorists.''

Kerry's voice was scratchy and breaking from a cold on Wednesday. He canceled most public events for Thursday in Columbus and in Iowa to rest his voice, though his words were clear at the firehouse. The campaign said running mate John Edwards would take Kerry's place in Iowa.

Kerry spoke to the AP in West Palm Beach, Fla., shortly before boarding a flight to Columbus and after Vice President Dick Cheney delivered a scathing attack on the Democrat. Speaking to reporters after meeting with Republican leaders on Capitol Hill, Cheney argued that Kerry has a penchant for wavering that makes him a weak alternative to a ``steadfast leader, which is exactly what we have in President George W. Bush.''

``John Kerry gives every indication that his repeated efforts to cast and recast and redefine the war on terror and our operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, of someone who lacks the resolve, the determination and the conviction to prevail in this conflict,'' Cheney said. ``He has demonstrated throughout the course of this campaign that he lacks the clarity of vision and purpose necessary to lead our country during extraordinary times.''

Kerry said he has laid out ``steps to win the war, not to change, not to retreat, steps to win. George Bush is trying to fight a phantom here because he won't tell the American people the truth, so he sets up something that's not a real issue and attacks it.''

Bush ``missed a huge opportunity'' at the United Nations this week to try to persuade leaders of other nations to join the United States in Iraq and the broader anti-terror war, Kerry said.

``I don't think he's providing the leadership we need,'' Kerry said. ``I will do a better job of dealing with Iraq and winning the war and fighting the war on terror, period.''

In a day filled with rhetorical charges and countercharges - at campaign stops and in advertising - all four candidates found fault. Responding to Cheney, Edwards said in a statement that Bush and Cheney ``are the last two people we need a lecture from about how to keep the American people safe.''

``It is the height of absurdity for Dick Cheney, a chief architect of the Iraq quagmire, to talk about the leadership needed to fix the mess in Iraq that he created,'' said Edwards, reviving a word - quagmire - often used to describe the Vietnam War.
 

Toshi

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was it necessary to post TWO articles of the same thing?
 

MikeD

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N8 said:
Right on John-boy, what the fvck does Allawi know anyway, it ain't like he's from Iraq or anything...
It also:

1) ain't like he's been in exile for 30 years or anything.

2) ain't like he might be reinforcing the party line of those who put him in power or anything.
 

Silver

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MikeD said:
It also:

1) ain't like he's been in exile for 30 years or anything.

2) ain't like he might be reinforcing the party line of those who put him in power or anything.
Wait, you mean the Prime Minister of Iraq isn't elected? We handed over authority to the Iraqis, didn't we?
 

MikeD

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Silver said:
Wait, you mean the Prime Minister of Iraq isn't elected? We handed over authority to the Iraqis, didn't we?
And put Mr. Credibility in charge.
 

Silver

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Toshi

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Silver said:
A little reinforcement never hurt, however...
true. but on the other hand the war on terror is not going to be won by simply wishing and stating that we're winning the war on terror, unless the very enemy the government wishes to eradicate is free thought, not terror. :think:
 

Silver

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Toshi said:
true. but on the other hand the war on terror is not going to be won by simply wishing and stating that we're winning the war on terror, unless the very enemy the government wishes to eradicate is free thought, not terror. :think:
You're starting to sound very subversive. Don't make me fill out this form:

https://tips.fbi.gov/
 

Toshi

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Silver said:
You're starting to sound very subversive. Don't make me fill out this form:

https://tips.fbi.gov/
heh, that's nice that they have a web form :thumb: . now americans don't even have to call their local fbi agent to report their neighbor.

speaking of which, exactly that happened to me when i was 5 or 6: was living peacefully with my true, genetic parents when a nosy neighbor noted that i share first and last names with a kidnapped kid (with the caveat that middle names and that my full first name didn't match). rather than disspell her fears by, say, talking to me or my parents, she called the fbi.

as a result a pair of fbi agents came knocking on our apartment's door at about 11 pm. i didn't want to get up, and then i didn't want to provide them with a thumbprint but was eventually coaxed to do so. needless to say i proved to not be the kidnapped child and the fbi exited the way they came, but the whole incident was very odd. what in the world was the snitch neighbor's motivation? :dead:
 

Silver

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Yeah, it sure beats East Germany where you had to find a Stasi agent to inform, doesn't it.

Off Topic: Has anyone ever done a FOIA request on themselves?
 

Silver

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I'm know I have a file, but I'm not sure about doing a request. What do you think the chances are that doing a request lands you on a list somewhere? :)
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
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Silver said:
I'm know I have a file, but I'm not sure about doing a request. What do you think the chances are that doing a request lands you on a list somewhere? :)
on the other hand, some bored future historian might go through the records and see you on such a list, and then laud you in his writings for a small act of martyrdom... :D
 

Silver

find me a tampon
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Screw that. I heard Cuba is nice, but I don't want to see the inside of a cage with battery cables attached to my testicles, y'know?

Especially when I can fly through Toronto to get there and have a few rum drinks by the beach...
 

fluff

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Back on topic....

Given the current apparently deteriorating situation in Iraq it could just be that Allawi's viewpoint actually is unrealistic. He is showing precious little progress in stabilising and uniting his people.

Still, I suppose we have to believe him because he's Cheney's puppet's puppet and not to do so would be unpatriotic.

(But then I'm not a US citizen so I'm free to believe it without being unpatriotic; woo-hoo!)