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Kerry Can't Ditch His Flip-Flop Voting Record

N8 v2.0

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Past votes may dog Kerry campaign
Democrat's support of Bush at issue
Washington Post.com | 24 Feb 04 | Jim VandeHei

In the stump speech he delivers virtually every day, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) stirs the Democratic faithful by railing against current trade practices and slamming President Bush's policies on education, civil liberties and Iraq.

But the Democratic front-runner does not mention how he, as senator, supported the president on all four issues, helping cement in law what he often describes as flawed government policies.

Kerry's past support for policies he now condemns is complicating his run for the White House, strategists from both parties say, and could prove problematic in a general election showdown with Bush. The president himself seized on this contrast in his opening attack on Kerry at a dinner last night of the Republican Governors Association.

Tony Coehlo, chairman of Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign, said it is "critical" that Kerry "clearly" explain his votes "before the public perceives him as a flip-flopper." If not, Bush "will tag him," Coehlo said.

To differentiate himself from Bush, Kerry faults the president on the "implementation" of the laws governing education, trade, civil liberties and the military operation in Iraq. Kerry says Bush underfunded the No Child Left Behind education law; abused the search and seizure powers of the USA Patriot Act; rushed to war once granted congressional authorization; and failed to crack down on abuses by U.S. trading partners.

'Can't run from his record'
"This is the biggest 'say one thing, do another' administration in the modern history of our country," Kerry said in a telephone interview yesterday. He stood by his votes but blasted Bush for the way he implemented the new laws.

Because Kerry essentially advocates trimming, tweaking or tightening these Bush policies, voters seeking more dramatic changes might turn to independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader as they did in 2000, some Democrats say.

On his new Web site, Nader lists the Bush policies Democrats such as Kerry supported in Congress, and asks: "At what point do you stop relying on a party to be an opposition party and start asking what else needs to be done to put some spine into Washington politics?"

At the same time, Bush's political team plans to turn Kerry's votes for the Bush agenda against the four-term senator if he becomes the Democratic nominee. "Kerry can't run from his record," said Terry Holt, spokesman for the Bush campaign.

Already, Bush's political team is compiling laudatory remarks Kerry has made about White House policies and might spin some of them into television ads defending the president, according to Bush campaign officials. "When he makes the case against things he voted for, it highlights the fact he's hypocritical," said Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie.

Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), Kerry's chief rival for the nomination, is framing his campaign around the Massachusetts senator's support for free-trade policies, including those enacted by the Bush administration. With job losses, especially in the manufacturing sector, already a key issue of the 2004 election, Edwards is blaming trade policies such as the North American Free Trade Agreement for much of the current economic problems. Kerry voted for NAFTA in 1993 under President Bill Clinton and has since been a consistent free-trade advocate. Edwards, who was elected in 1998, said he opposed NAFTA, though he rarely raised the issue until recently.

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towelie

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You should have watched Good Morning America this morning. They confronted Kerry on this issue- really put him on the spot. He had a very good answer.

You see, he voted for many of Bush's policies, but has had no control over their implimentation. He went down a laundry list of issues in which he has supposodely flip-flopped. He explained why he supported them when they were iniatiatives, and why they are failures now. Lots of good ideas poorly implemented. Good ideas aren't worth much if you can't deliver.
 

N8 v2.0

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Originally posted by towelie
You should have watched Good Morning America this morning. They confronted Kerry on this issue- really put him on the spot. He had a very good answer.

You see, he voted for many of Bush's policies, but has had no control over their implimentation. He went down a laundry list of issues in which he has supposodely flip-flopped. He explained why he supported them when they were iniatiatives, and why they are failures now. Lots of good ideas poorly implemented. Good ideas aren't worth much if you can't deliver.
So, Kerry can't come up with any policy ideas on his own, then supports other people's policies that appear to him to be popular, then abandons them when he thinks his constituants beleive otherwise....

Sounds like a loser to me.



:rolleyes:
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Originally posted by N8
So, Kerry can't come up with any policy ideas on his own, then supports other people's policies that appear to him to be popular, then abandons them when he thinks his constituants beleive otherwise....

Sounds like a loser to me.



:rolleyes:
Or alternatively, supports good ideas even if they come from someone outside his own party, then disagrees with flawed implementation.

However you are so partisan you probably cannot even spell pragmatic.

It's not really a flip-flop voting record and furthermore you haven't posted any quotes from him just cherry-picked quotes from other sources.

:rolleyes: to you too!
 

N8 v2.0

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Originally posted by fluff
Or alternatively, supports good ideas even if they come from someone outside his own party, then disagrees with flawed implementation.

However you are so partisan you probably cannot even spell pragmatic.

It's not really a flip-flop voting record and furthermore you haven't posted any quotes from him just cherry-picked quotes from other sources.

:rolleyes: to you too!
Yeeeeah.... sounds like you have a good grasp of Kerry's positions...

:rolleyes:
 

N8 v2.0

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KERRY CLAIMS HE’S FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT VOTES FOR HIGHER TAXES, AND AGAINST TAX CUTS

Kerry Has Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Other fiscally irresponsible votes include at least three key votes against lowering overall spending.

Kerry Voted Against President Bush’s Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Key Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career.

Kerry Voted For The Biggest Tax Increase In American History Under President Clinton.

Kerry Has A Lifetime Rating Of 26% From Citizens Against Government Waste And Is A Long-Time Supporter Of Federal Funding For Boston’s “Big Dig.” Former Senate Government Affairs Chairman John McCain called the project “the biggest, most costly public works project in U.S. history.” The “Big Dig” was estimated to cost $2.6 billion when it was approved in 1985. The cost to date has totaled more than $13.6 billion.
 

N8 v2.0

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KERRY CLAIMS HE’S FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT HAS A HISTORY OF VOTING FOR HIGHER TAXES AND AGAINST TAX CUTS

Kerry Called For “Fiscal Responsibility,” Just Like When He Voted For The 1993 Tax Hike, The Largest In History. “All the Democrats have generally resisted the GOP proposal to make the tax cuts permanent. . . . Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry called for ‘a return to the fiscal responsibility we gave this country in 1993 when we passed the Deficit Reduction Act.’” (Will Lester, “Top Democrats Complain About Bush Economic Plans, But Some Steer Away From Tax Debate,” The Associated Press, October 15, 2002)

In His Senate Career, Kerry Has Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Other fiscally irresponsible votes include at least three key votes against lowering overall spending. (S.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #24: Rejected 66-34: R 55-0; D 11-34, March 4, 1997; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #158: Rejected 64-35: R 52-1; D 12-34, June 6, 1996; H.J. Res. 1, Roll Call Vote #98: Rejected 65-35: R 51-2; D 14-33, March 2, 1995; S.J. Res. 41, Roll Call Vote #48: Rejected 63-37: R 41-3; D 22-34, March 1, 1994; S.J. Res. 225, Roll Call Vote #45: Rejected 66-34: R 43-10; D 23-24, March 25, 1986)

Kerry Has A Lifetime Rating Of 26% From Citizens Against Government Waste And Is A Long-Time Supporter Of Federal Funding For Boston’s “Big Dig.” Former Senate Government Affairs Chairman John McCain called the project “the biggest, most costly public works project in U.S. history.” The “Big Dig” was estimated to cost $2.6 billion when it was approved in 1985. The cost to date has totaled more than $13.6 billion. (“Congressional Ratings,” Citizens Against Government Waste Website, www.cagw.org, Accessed January 7, 2003; Natalie M. Henry, “Senate Commerce Investigates Overspending On Boston's ‘Big Dig’,” Environment and Energy Daily, May 3, 2000)

Kerry Voted Against President Bush’s Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Major Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career. (H.R. 1836, Roll Call Vote #165: Adopted 62-38: R 50-0; D 12-38, May 23, 2001; H. Con. Res. 83, Roll Call Vote #69: Adopted 53-47: R 4-46; D 49-1, April 4, 2001; S. 1429, Roll Call Vote #247: Passed 57-43: R 52-2; D 4-41; I 1-0, July 30, 1999; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #169: Adopted 59-36: R 51-2; D 8-34, June 24, 1998; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #288: Rejected 56-41: R 54-1; D 2-40, October 30, 1997; H. Con. Res. 84, Roll Call Vote #92: Adopted 78-22: R 41-14; D 37-8, May 23, 1997; S. 1028, Roll Call Vote #72: Adopted 52-46: R 5-46; D 47-0, April 18, 1996; H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #190: Passed 50-49: R 0-43; D 49-6, June 25, 1993; H. Con. Res. 64, Roll Call Vote #83: Adopted 54-45: R 0-43; D 54-2, March 25, 1993; H.R. 3628, Roll Call Vote #298: Rejected 51-47 (needed 2/3 majority): R 45-0; D 6-47, November 15, 1989)

In September 2001, Kerry Said We Should Not Raise Taxes In An Economic Downturn. “The first priority is the economy of our nation. And when you have a downturn in the economy, the last thing you do is raise taxes or cut spending. We shouldn’t do either. We need to maintain a course that hopefully will stimulate the economy. . . . No, we should not raise taxes, but we have to put everything on the table to take a look at why we have this structural problem today. . . . you don’t want to raise taxes.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” September 2, 2001)

In April 2002, Kerry Said He Wanted A Larger Tax Cut And Was “Not In Favor Of” A Repeal. CNN’s Tucker Carlson: “Senator Kerry, . . . [many Democrats] [g]et a lot of political mileage out of criticizing [President Bush’s tax cut], but nobody has the courage to say repeal it. Are you for repealing it?” Kerry: “It’s not a question of courage. . . . And it’s not an issue right now. We passed appropriately a tax cut as a stimulus, some $40 billion. Many of us thought it should have even maybe been a little bit larger this last year . . . . [T]he next tax cut doesn’t take effect until 2004. If we can grow the economy enough between now and then, if we have sensible policies in place and make good choices, who knows what our choices will be. So it’s simply not a ripe issue right now. And I’m not in favor of turning around today and repealing it.” (CNN’s “Crossfire,” April 16, 2002)

In December 2002, Kerry Flip-Flopped. NBC’s Tim Russert: “Senator . . . should we freeze or roll back the Bush tax cut?” Kerry: “Well, I wouldn’t take away from people who’ve already been given their tax cut . . . . What I would not do is give any new Bush tax cuts. . . .” Russert: “So the tax cut that’s scheduled to be implemented in the coming years . . . .” Kerry: “No new tax cut under the Bush plan. . . . It doesn’t make economic sense.” Russert: “Now, this is a change, because let me show you what you said in September of 2001 when I asked you the very same question.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” December 1, 2002)

Kerry Voted At Least Five Times To Raid The Social Security Trust Fund. (H.R. 2014, Roll Call Vote #211: Conference Report Agreed To 92-8: R 55-0; D 37-8, July 31, 1997; H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #247: Conference Report Agreed To 50-50, With Vice President Gore Voting Yea: R 0-44; D 50-6, August 6, 1993; H.Con.Res. 268, Roll Call Vote #167: Conference Report Agreed To 58-29: R 21-20; D 37-9, June 6, 1988; H.R. 3545, Roll Call Vote #419: Conference Report Agreed To 61-28: R 18-23; D 43-5, December 21, 1987; H.R. 3128, Roll Call Vote #379: Conference Report Agreed To 78-1: R 40-1; D 38-0, December 19, 1985)
 

DRB

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Originally posted by N8
KERRY CLAIMS HE’S FOR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, BUT VOTES FOR HIGHER TAXES, AND AGAINST TAX CUTS

Kerry Has Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times. Other fiscally irresponsible votes include at least three key votes against lowering overall spending.

Kerry Voted Against President Bush’s Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Key Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career.

Kerry Voted For The Biggest Tax Increase In American History Under President Clinton.

Kerry Has A Lifetime Rating Of 26% From Citizens Against Government Waste And Is A Long-Time Supporter Of Federal Funding For Boston’s “Big Dig.” Former Senate Government Affairs Chairman John McCain called the project “the biggest, most costly public works project in U.S. history.” The “Big Dig” was estimated to cost $2.6 billion when it was approved in 1985. The cost to date has totaled more than $13.6 billion.

Voting for or against tax cuts has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility.
 

N8 v2.0

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FACT: FY 2004 Defense Authorization, Signed Into Law By President Bush, Increases Imminent Danger Pay From $150 To $225/Month. The law also continues the Family Separation Allowance of $250/month. (H.R. 1588, Signed By President George W. Bush, 11/24/03)


However:
KERRY VOTED AT LEAST DOZEN TIMES AGAINST HIGHER MILITARY PAY

Voted Against FY 1991 Defense Authorization, Which Included 4.1% Pay Raise. (H. R. 4739, CQ Vote #320: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay; ““Congress Cuts Bush Defense Request,” CQ Almanac, 1990, p. 671-687)

Voted Against Allowing Defense Pay Increases If Clinton’s Federal Pay Freeze Proposal Was Not Enacted. (S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #46: Adopted 69-30: R 31-12; D 38-18, 3/23/93)

Voted To Kill An Increase In Military Pay Over Five Years. (S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #73: Motion Agreed To 55-42: R 2-39; D 53-3, 3/24/93, Kerry Voted Yea)

Voted Against Allowing Military Employees To Receive Cost-Of-Living Adjustment In FY 1993. (H.R. 1335, CQ Vote #98: Motion Agreed To 51-49: R 0-43; D 51-6, 4/1/93)

Voted To Freeze Military Pay Freeze In FY 1994. (S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #72: Motion Agreed To 54-44: R 2-40; D 52-4, 3/24/93)

Twice Voted Against FY 1996 Defense Appropriations Bill, Which Provided Increase Of At Least 2.4% In Military Pay. (S. 1087, CQ Vote #397: Passed 62-35: R 48-4; D 14-31, 9/5/95; H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95; “Defense Bill Enacted Despite Objections,” CQ Almanac, 1995, pp. 11-25)

Voted Three Times Against FY 1996 Defense Authorization Bill, Which Also Included Pay Increase Of At Least 2.4%. (H.R. 1530, CQ Vote #399: Passed 64-34: R 50-3; D 14-31, 9/6/95; H.R. 1530, CQ Vote #608: Adopted 51-43: R 47-2; D 4-41, 12/19/95; S. 1124, CQ Vote #5: Adopted 56-34: R 42-3; D 14-31, 1/26/96; “Goal Of Boosting Defense Budget Eludes GOP Lawmakers,” CQ Almanac, 1995, pp. 9-12)

Voted Twice Against FY 1997 Defense Authorization Bill, Which Provided 3% Military Pay Increase. (S. 1745, CQ Vote #187: Passed 68-31: R 50-2; D 18-29, 7/10/96; H.R. 3230, CQ Vote #279: Adopted 73-26: R 50-3; D 23-23, 9/10/96; “Clinton Signs GOP’s Fortified Bill,” CQ Almanac, 1996, pp. 10-33 – 10-38)
 

fluff

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Originally posted by DRB
Voting for or against tax cuts has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility.
Exactly. The quotes are also not specific about particular taxes/spending issues.

Also once a tax cut has been implemented immediate roll-back may not be the wisest course of action, however partisan.

N8, the problem with your Kerry-bashing posts is that they are not very informative, address non-specific issues and do not look into possible reasons why he has voted for certain things and against certain others.

It may be that there are very good reasons, but you're not interested in that are you?

Maybe if you looked harder for policy you'd find it, but then you're not interested in that either are you?
 

towelie

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Wait...he is fiscally irresponsbile because he wants to actually pay MONEY (taxes) for programs he supports instead of stealing the money from future generations.

Egad! That is irresponsible :rolleyes:

Silly Kerry....thinks we should have money in hand before we buy something...what a kook....
 

$tinkle

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Originally posted by towelie
Wait...he is fiscally irresponsbile because he wants to actually pay MONEY (taxes) for programs he supports instead of stealing the money from future generations.

Egad! That is irresponsible :rolleyes:

Silly Kerry....thinks we should have money in hand before we buy something...what a kook....
Kerry fought against what he called "the military-industrial corporate welfare complex that has relentlessly chewed up taxpayers' dollars."

so he thinks that B-1 bomber, the B-2, the F-15, the F-14A, the F-14D, the AH-64 Apache helicopter, the AV-8B Harrier jet, the Patriot missile, the Aegis air-defense cruiser and the Trident missile are all pork?

american enterprise institute for public policy research
 

$tinkle

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Originally posted by LordOpie
All? Or perhaps we just had enough of them?
you can't have too much firepower, you friggin' lib!

all i am saying is, "give war a chance."