[ummbikes]

Gephart just dropped out.

Dean third behind Edwards.

If Dean looses in New Hampshire he should drop too.

So does a Bush -vs- Kerry race look more even than a Bush -vs- Dean? I think so.

 

[LordOpie]

Candidates Delegates %

Sen. John F. Kerry 1,125 38
Sen. John Edwards 957 32
Howard Dean 540 18
Rep. Richard A. Gephardt 315 11
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich 39 1
Wesley Clark 3 0
Uncommitted 3 0
Sen. Joe I. Lieberman 0 0
Carol Moseley Braun 0 0
Al Sharpton 0 0

wow, is this a reasonable result for Clark? Did he expect to do so poorly? I mean, he came tied with Uncommitted

 

[ummbikes]

The only people I know who like Clark are a few people here on RM and Micheal Moore.

 

[BurlyShirley]

....and bill clinton and Madonna.


I actually like Kerry a bit. At least he has a likeable personality. Id like to see dean diagnosed witha debilitating illness.

 

[LordOpie]

my g/f tells me that she thinks that Clark was NOT on the ballot, so getting 3 delegates is pretty darn good.

 

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by LordOpie
my g/f tells me that she thinks that Clark was NOT on the ballot, so getting 3 delegates is pretty darn good.

That is correct. He is also proabably not going to be on the NY primary either. Which does make it rough to get delegates one would think.



Who knows though. I just would like to see the Democrats run a viable candidate.

Even though I'll proabably vote Libertarian.

 

[Silver]

Exactly right on Clark.

I thought Iowa was supposed to be Gephart's stronghold?

Oops...

I've gotta think Dean will do better in most other states though.

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by ummbikes
The only people I know who like Clark are a few people here on RM and Micheal Moore.

Michael Moore is now backing Clark. I'm no Moore fan, but I do like Clark a lot. Went to see Moore speak about it the other day and his reasoning is much the same as mine (Dean can't win swing voters against Bush), though he has a softer spot for Dean than I do.

Interestingly, most of the democrat candidates (basically all but Lieberman) are true leftists. So it really comes down to character and who has a shot at the swing voters against Bush. (edit, thanks stevew) Kerry and Clark both have the military experience that Bush lacks, with Clark clearly having the most. Edwards, has a good working class background. I'd prefer to see any of them run, over Dean... who was a great VT governor, but no president IMO. His transformation into a national figure has not been kind.

Clark is also probably the most well-spoken and articulate candidate I have ever heard. He is no politician. Ask him a question, and you get background, logic, and the specifics of his opinion. No soft philosophical crap... he actually states the policies he wants to see enacted. Normally that would be suicide for a candidate, but it really rings of honesty and intelligence, IMO. I'd LOVE to see him in a debate against Bush...

So he has no political experience... I still see him as a capable LEADER. New Hampshire is going to be interesting...

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by ummbikes
The only people I know who like Clark are a few people here on RM and Micheal Moore.

I like Clark. I don't mind Kerry. Dean is nothing but a fading buzz.

I think Kerry has the credibility to beat Bush... so I'd back him over Clark but I would prefer Clark.

 

[Serial Midget]

Originally posted by ohio
Clark is also probably the most well-spoken and articulate candidate I have ever heard. He is no politician. Ask him a question, and you get background, logic, and the specifics of his opinion. No soft philosophical crap... he actually states the policies he wants to see enacted. Normally that would be suicide for a candidate, but it really rings of honesty and intelligence, IMO. I'd LOVE to see him in a debate against Bush...

I agree - this is probably why he cannot get elected.

 

[stevew]

Originally posted by ohio

Edwards and Clark both have the military experience that Bush lacks, with Clark clearly having the most.

I think you mean Kerry. I don't think Edwards served.

But I might be wrong.

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by stevew
I think you mean Kerry. I don't think Edwards served.

But I might be wrong.

Sorry, yes, you're right. Got them mixed up... that's what I get for posting political opinions during an all-nighter.

 

[I Are Baboon]

WTF is a caucus anyway? From what I understand, it's not a primary, and it's not a general vote. So what the hell is it?

 

[stevew]

Originally posted by LordOpie
Candidates Delegates %

Sen. John F. Kerry 1,125 38
Sen. John Edwards 957 32
Howard Dean 540 18
Rep. Richard A. Gephardt 315 11
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich 39 1
Wesley Clark 3 0
Uncommitted 3 0
Sen. Joe I. Lieberman 0 0
Carol Moseley Braun 0 0
Al Sharpton 0 0

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but 2,982 people was the total of people who participated?

I think Carter, both Bush H, and W, and Clinton finished third in the Iowa caucus when they had to run and still won.

 

[MMike]

I have no idea what any of this means. Who's going to win disney land?

 

[$tinkle]

"What's a caucus?" Don't any of you people watch the Daily Show? There's a lot to be learnt. Rob Corddry, The Senior Political Analyst, is rather insightful & poignant.

Good thing i tape it, so i can catch what i missed from lmao.

Looks like clark may give bush the best run for his money (for this week, anyway).

Is anybody here swayed by caucus results? I would hope not, unless you've a good reason to.

 

[brenth]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
WTF is a caucus anyway? From what I understand, it's not a primary, and it's not a general vote. So what the hell is it?

from what I understand ( which is very little, but what the hell i'll post anyways), is that there is a meeting in your local district, and everyone shows up in wearing as many shirts/stickers/buttons/etc.. for their canidate. They then proceed to yell at each other and try to convince those who are undecided to vote for their canidate. Then everyone votes. I guess there is a number of delagates from each distict, the vote is tallyed and then the delagates are devided up and reported.

Now I'm not sure if that is correct or not, thats just what I kinda infered from watch about fourty-five minutes of coverage last night. I could be totally wrong, They might get togeather and arm wrestle.

 

[brenth]

Originally posted by stevew
Maybe I am reading this wrong, but 2,982 people was the total of people who participated?

I think Carter, both Bush H, and W, and Clinton finished third in the Iowa caucus when they had to run and still won.

I think its like the elctoral crap. THere is a number of delegates from all the disticts.

 

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by brenth
I think its like the elctoral crap. THere is a number of delegates from all the disticts.

It's the political parties method of selecting candidates in Iowa and probably some other states.


The way I remembered it there is some witchcraft involved.

It turns out I was mostly wrong.

Here is a link to a news article that explains it.


How the Iowa caucus works.

We used to have a primary here in Washington where we voted but somehow it was ruled unconstituional and the state representitives and senators are figuring out what to do now. We'll proabably adopt some vauge, complicated system.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by ummbikes

How the Iowa caucus works.

Cripes.

 

[brenth]

interesting. I guess I was partly right. It was crazy though, as I was watching CNN last night, there was a dean supporter and a kerry supporter tring to persuade this women to join them. Se eventually got fead up with both of them and freaking walked away. funny stuff.

 

[DRB]

Originally posted by MMike
I have no idea what any of this means. Who's going to win disney land?

The Carolina Panthers when they win the Super Bowl.