[Avy]

jeebus. end of kerr's vid...jenna hastings got $100 euros for third in jr. womens; bernard got $250 euros for 9th in pro men's; amaury got $3000 euros for first. TRBL.

That is so Sad. 3000 for 1st place? Chicken Feed! When you take in All the varibal’s that can happen,it is a Insult to All of Them. So Amery now has 8 win’s for a total of 24000 Euros? Compare that to Tennis,or Golf or any other Sport that is just You. This is not a Team Sport(Golf is not a sport),mind you,they have a Support Team to Bring out their Best,but when it is Go Time, it is just You. Tobe Strong Mentally,to Breath,to Remember you’re Line’s,to Deal with Bike Parts from a Sponser that Suck. Most Men/Women don’t even get on that Stage.

With all that being said,Avy want’s 1st place to take Home 50,000 Euros. Then Break Down From there to 5th Place. Also,Same Monies For the Women.

Last,How do we know What UCI is making?

Avy

 

[Avy]

I like how they only showed the last bit of Gwinn's run to make up for televising the full run of the previous rider with a flat.

RESPEKT

Are you Hating Westy?

Avy

 

[Avy]

Ginger = swipe left
init?

“Avy does’nt care what you think!”

You all best Hope my Ginger does not get on Stage!

Oh Wait,you All said He was Done,wrap it up Avy,throw it away,it ain’t gonna happen! Shit,if Gwin ride’s as Long as the Goat,All you Hater’s will Toss and Turn in Bed as Avy whisper’s “Sweet Nothing’s” to you in you’re nightmares!

Avy

 

[Flo33]

Damn, Kolb was fastest overall in split 1 and 2. That little slide and tap in the steep narrow chicane cost him speed, a bit of confidence and the win I guess.

 

[iRider]

I don't actually know if that would ruin it.
It would definitely make Qualis waaay more important. and I'd imagine the protected rider criteria might need to be tweaked.
but who's actually interested in the 30-60th guys ?

For example, Tuhoto-Ariki would not have made the main show as he qualified 61st, but he ended up in 13th.
I don't think limiting the number of riders for a WC finals will help with attracting sponsors. Now the top 30 get screen time, if you did a good run before the live broadcast they will show it too. As rider you can put that you made it x-times into the final on your resumé. All the UCI trade teams have already more riders than the 30 spots, so they probably would drop the lesser competitive ones. This is bad for up-and-coming racers.
The only way I could see this work is establishing strong and super competitive "local" race series (Asia, Europe, North America, South America) where you can earn points for participation in the WC. These would need to be televised as well to make sponsors happy.

 

[Gary]

Tennis AND Golf are are absolutely massive Globally and their industries command HUGE PRO££IT$$
DH mtb racing is a tiny little niche in a much smaller sport.
It's really not my bag but in many ways Golf is a far better sport than DH

 

[Westy]

Are you Hating Westy?

Avy

No, I thought it was rediculous.

 

[Avy]

Tennis AND Golf are are absolutely massive Globally and their industries command HUGE PRO££IT$$
DH mtb racing is a tiny little niche in a much smaller sport.
It's really not my bag but in many ways Golf is a far better sport than DH

Yes,you are right. It is a tiny little niche. What I am saying is “Credit is not Given as It should”. Do you think Golf players who Win should get that amount of Money compared to Amery who just Won? NeverMind the Command/Market,do you,“Gary“ think it is right?

If I am not mistaken,Golf was invented,first played in You’re Homeland Gary? Forgive me if I am wrong.

First of all,Golf is not a Sport. I don’t think they even Sweat? Like my Lazy Co-Worker. Walking around a perfect cut Green,Don’t even carry there own Bag? Don’t get me goin.

You have utterly shoved my face to the floor with you’re last thought. Please,tell me how Golf is a Far Better Sport than DH?

Avy

 

[Gary]

Yes.

I'd guess you've never played Golf... but then again I'd presume you've ridden a bike and you seem to know fuck all about that either

 

[jonKranked]

It's really not my bag but in many ways Golf is a far better sport than DH

only because Chad from accounting can load his golf clubs and a yeti cooler full of white claw into his brodozer on the weekend and "play"

 

[Gary]

The pneumatic tyre, telephone and television among many other world changing inventions were invented here too Avy

 

[Gary]

Chad does mountainbiking now

 

[slimshady]

Chad does mountainbiking now

He also bought a Yeti e-bike to compliment his Yeti cooler.

 

[Gary]

If you think the only financial gain to a rider from winning a WC is the measly prize money you're naive AF

 

[jonKranked]

He also bought a Yeti e-bike to compliment his Yeti cooler.

flow trails whooosh

 

[jonKranked]

If you think the only financial gain to a rider from winning a WC is the measly prize money you're naive AF

yes they also collect tens of dollars in sponsorship money.

 

[Gary]

salty old DH cunts shouldn't feel jealous of Chad

 

[Gary]

Paid for in 19 easy $3000 installments

If you look really really closely you can see Avy's little binoculars peering out from behind a bush in the background

 

[jonKranked]

salty old DH cunts shouldn't feel jealous of Chad

jealous? no. pointing and laughing? yes.

 

[Avy]

Paid for in 19 easy $3000 installments

If you look really really closely you can see Avy's little binoculars peering out from behind a bush in the background

No Gary,that is you’re beloved Frenchies in the Bushes trying to figure out how to be so Proper?

Avy

 

[norbar]

Watching WynTV for the finals. What's this BS about only 30 ppl qualifying for the final?

 

[Gary]

Chad is Mountainbiking™

 

[jonKranked]

Chad is Mountainbiking™

does he have The Spirit of Enduro™?

 

[jonKranked]

he seems to know his stuff and is way better prepared imho. also able to formulate his thoughts much better

EJ is super knowledgeable. he does post race analysis on the Downtime podcast along with Neko after most WC races. if you're into racing and podcasts its a must listen.

 

[Avy]

If you think the only financial gain to a rider from winning a WC is the measly prize money you're naive AF

I don’t know why you even said that? But you think Golf is a better sport than DH,so mabye you can explain that? Or mabye you are on the wrong message board?

Avy

 

[jonKranked]

Gary..... Golf.....

4 letter words that start with G

 

[aaronjb]

Paid for in 19 easy $3000 installments

If you look really really closely you can see Avy's little binoculars peering out from behind a bush in the background

This is one of my favorite self-owns in recent memory: Spends years and $$$ meticulously building your dream home, only to remember when it's done that you built it in a state with too much librul socialism and brown and black people for you to live in it.

Though, I suppose cashing out at the height of the recent real estate bubble and then moving to a poor, regressive and mostly white state is a winning strategy for some.

 

[sethimus]

unreal how precise he was

 

[Gary]

mabye you can explain that?

I shouldn't have to.
Go and look up the history of both sports and compare them, their governing bodies and how each has developed since their respective beginnings. And stop asking me to educate you for free.

 

[norbar]

I don't actually know if that would ruin it.
It would definitely make Qualis waaay more important. and I'd imagine the protected rider criteria might need to be tweaked.
but who's actually interested in the 30-60th guys ?

Literally every bike fan not named Gary is interested in the 30-60th guys. Ffs. I know even people who don't ride who know some of the 30-60th riders. It's also good for the sport to have a bigger pool of talent that can break out not only in results but also in media reach.

Not to mention most cycling sports have huge groups of riders. XC, Road all have waaaaay more than DH currently.

Tennis AND Golf are are absolutely massive Globally and their industries command HUGE PRO££IT$$
DH mtb racing is a tiny little niche in a much smaller sport.
It's really not my bag but in many ways Golf is a far better sport than DH

Seriously Gary are you riding bikes only to argue ridemonkey? Since when do we judge the quality of a sport by their profits. I always assumed you were pretty far of from London City bro mentality and yet here we are.

Also just because something is niche doesn't mean it's not watchable. I mean ffs MMA is not a sport that has massive participation numbers and yet it attracts a huge audience. Hell even Crossfit gets good coverage and sponsorship money. So with downhill being intrinsicly watchable why discard it outside of regular Gary goes against everyone contrarianism?

 

[norbar]

I shouldn't have to.
Go and look up the history of both sports and compare them, their governing bodies and how each has developed since their respective beginnings. And stop asking me to educate you for free.

So the history of sport makes a sport better? You seem to assume some things are literally axioms. Agreed upon truths like the length of 1m but yet you never explain who agreed to that and what's the reason that's the truth?

 

[Gary]

Literally every bike fan not named Gary is interested in the 30-60th guys. Ffs. I know even people who don't ride who know some of the 30-60th riders. It's also good for the sport to have a bigger pool of talent that can break out not only in results but also in media reach.

Who said anything about excluding that pool of less fast riders from entering? I'd expect any serious racers to still be there trying their hardest to qualify for the big show.
Less no hopers and smaller B practice wouldn't be a bad thing.

Not to mention most cycling sports have huge groups of riders. XC, Road all have waaaaay more than DH currently.

If by Road. You mean pro tour racing. You do realise that it's a team sport? Hardly comparable.
XC is also an entirely different format.
I'm not sure what your point here is at all.

 

[Gary]

WTF does my comment on the Scottish sport Golf have to do with London?

Longer established Sports tend to run smoothly with consistent viewing, participation and money. Which is exactly what I meant by Golf being a better "Sport" . Golf has been around since the 15th century. DH mtb has barely been around 40years.
It's also a waaay more accessible and affordable sport than DH mtb

It goes without saying everyone here prefers DH to golf so it's utterly pointless mentioning it.

BBut Avy

 

[slyfink]

Also just because something is niche doesn't mean it's not watchable. I mean ffs MMA is not a sport that has massive participation numbers and yet it attracts a huge audience. Hell even Crossfit gets good coverage and sponsorship money. So with downhill being intrinsicly watchable why discard it outside of regular Gary goes against everyone contrarianism?

I'm a little weary of wading into this quagmire, but my view on the situation is that the closest parallel we could draw to DH mountain biking is DH skiing. Similar format, and probably even similar participation rates, though I bet more people could relate to riding a bike on dirt than sliding on snow. I'm not 100% certain what viewership #s and athlete salaries are like in DH skiing, but I have to imagine skiers aren't really getting the salaries and recognition they deserve for the risk they take, and skill they have. Just like DH mtb. I wonder if it comes down to people not realizing how hard it really is to do what they do...

Taking the crossfit example, seeing people lift heavy weights is relatable: "holy cow, look at how heavy that looks, I could never do that" vs. biking and skiing : "pfffft, any idiot can switch their brain off and go fast down a hill". Same with fighting.

I'll admit my argument falls apart when it comes to golf. I just don't understand that activity. fucking bores me to tears. after about 5 minutes, all I want to do is swing a stick in anger. oh wait... could that be the appeal

 

[norbar]

Who said anything about excluding that pool of less fast riders from entering? I'd expect any serious racers to still be there trying their hardest to qualify for the big show.
Less no hopers and smaller B practice wouldn't be a bad thing.


If by Road. You mean pro tour racing. You do realise that it's a team sport? Hardly comparable.
XC is also an entirely different format.
I'm not sure what your point here is at all.

1. Fewer racers qualify and less visibility means even less sponsorship and chances to break through. This will discourage people from racing and slowly kill the sport. Also don't be a dick and call people faster than you no hopers. People need their first WC non quali to know how fast the top guys are. I know national champions from here who in their first race bounced off the quali and later they slid into some decent places periodically.

2. Your road argument is silly. Team sport or not it still allows for long tv transmissions and large groups of riders. It's a team sport but using your logic the teams could be smaller since I dunno golf is better or something
3. XC is a different format? So what? How does this change the fact more people are allowed to compete in XC? Your argument is literally "downhill is special, only 5 riders should be allowed to compete because it's not comparable to any sport, except for golf and tennis of course". I mean are you literally insane? It's not OK to compare DH to XC and Road but Ok to compare them to non cycling?

 

[jonKranked]

I'm a little weary of wading into this quagmire, but my view on the situation is that the closest parallel we could draw to DH mountain biking is DH skiing. Similar format, and probably even similar participation rates, though I bet more people could relate to riding a bike on dirt than sliding on snow. I'm not 100% certain what viewership #s and athlete salaries are like in DH skiing, but I have to imagine skiers aren't really getting the salaries and recognition they deserve for the risk they take, and skill they have. Just like DH mtb. I wonder if it comes down to people not realizing how hard it really is to do what they do...

Taking the crossfit example, seeing people lift heavy weights is relatable: "holy cow, look at how heavy that looks, I could never do that" vs. biking and skiing : "pfffft, any idiot can switch their brain off and go fast down a hill". Same with fighting.

I'll admit my argument falls apart when it comes to golf. I just don't understand that activity. fucking bores me to tears. after about 5 minutes, all I want to do is swing a stick in anger. oh wait... could that be the appeal

DH skiing?




show me *any* cycling event with a crowd like this:

 

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[norbar]

I'm a little weary of wading into this quagmire, but my view on the situation is that the closest parallel we could draw to DH mountain biking is DH skiing. Similar format, and probably even similar participation rates, though I bet more people could relate to riding a bike on dirt than sliding on snow. I'm not 100% certain what viewership #s and athlete salaries are like in DH skiing, but I have to imagine skiers aren't really getting the salaries and recognition they deserve for the risk they take, and skill they have. Just like DH mtb. I wonder if it comes down to people not realizing how hard it really is to do what they do...

Taking the crossfit example, seeing people lift heavy weights is relatable: "holy cow, look at how heavy that looks, I could never do that" vs. biking and skiing : "pfffft, any idiot can switch their brain off and go fast down a hill". Same with fighting.

I'll admit my argument falls apart when it comes to golf. I just don't understand that activity. fucking bores me to tears. after about 5 minutes, all I want to do is swing a stick in anger. oh wait... could that be the appeal

Well as someone who literally works for Discovery's big competitor and gets paid to judge what is watchable and should we pay for it I'd have to say downhill is imminently watchable. There are very few rules you need to understand. There are clear, visual differences between better and worse performers, there are many random variables and a lot can happen during those runs so there is potential for a lot of emotion and the runs are short so you get multiple dopamine hits every competition. This is why DH is closer to MMA than Road. Different race runs work as "rounds". Also DH racing creates relatively little viewer frustration since you race against the clock. No blocking like in F1 or weird judging decisions. We also have a few personalities in the sport and it's much easier to tell a story here. I've been a tennis player, a shitty one but I did a few comps as a kid and I followed tennis. Generally Tennis players don't have that much of a backstory. I like the sport but I'd argue it's easier to sell in 2022 because it has established itself and that's it.


Also Red bull and other bike companies have been producing a ton of ancillary content where it feels more like watching the NBA (also a sport with a ton of commentary and extra content) than stick ball hole on grass.

 

[slyfink]

DH skiing?




show me *any* cycling event with a crowd like this:

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exactly. but why?! in the ski world, it's almost like viewership is from biking.... the big draw in skiing is alpine, and nobody (relatively) watches nordic... whereas in biking, road is the big draw, and people look at me funny when I say I watched a dowhill mtb race this weekend.

I also have to wonder why skiing is so much more popular than biking in terms of viewership?! arguably, biking is waaaay more accessible, and probably has waaaaay more participants worldwide. And yet no one watches it outside a few diehard fans. Why?

 

[norbar]

DH skiing?




show me *any* cycling event with a crowd like this:

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DH is not skiing. Generally without a strong marketing push few new sports get that much exposure. Snowboarding isn't as big as Alpine skiing in Austria and Switzerland but those are local traditional sports.

The only real recent breakthrough is MMA but MMA was really lucky they grew a lot abroad in countries with strong martial arts cultures and in USA it grew thanks to a reality show since USA has a long bullshit entertainment culture