[RhinofromWA]

Link to Kinda Long Article.....

I will be driving through the mess tonight when I go home. It was all over the news this morning.....I go thru DT Bothell WA right by the HS (near the church where the meeting is being held)

Just thought this was interesting....as it will effect me only in traffic snarls....but still making the news close to home.

Article kinda goes through her whole church/bi-sexual life and her call to be a pastor.

Just wondering if anyone has descussion or opinions about this? She was ballsy (pun intended ) for writing a coming out letter to the bishop. Now she is in a heap 'O trouble.

Rhino.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Yeah, y'know...Im not christian, but none of this really seems to work for me either.

I mean, If i were a thief, murderer, adulterer and refused to change my ways...how could I be accepted as a leader in the church? If gayness is a sin, (and i think it is) how can someone devoted to that sin be in charge?
I dont mind gays and I dont mind christians...but arent the two supposed to exclude on another if the bible is your highest law?

 

[ummbikes]

There doesn't seem to be any scripture that defends her. Pretty clear cut to me.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Yeah, y'know...Im not christian, but none of this really seems to work for me either.

I mean, If i were a thief, murderer, adulterer and refused to change my ways...how could I be accepted as a leader in the church? If gayness is a sin, (and i think it is) how can someone devoted to that sin be in charge?
I dont mind gays and I dont mind christians...but arent the two supposed to exclude on another if the bible is your highest law?

Don't know really.

I should email my buddy in Ellensburg WA (VERY small town east of the Cascades where she is/was/will be the pastor) 'cuase I am sure this had been hashed out over there.

She was a catholic but changed to a methodist to be a pastor (as the catholics wouldn't allow).....now this is added into the pot and the church now has a interesting dilema on their hands.....

What's a Lesbian Methodist Pastor to do?

 

[RhinofromWA]

Another article.....with picture.

Seems that both articles mention a Woodland Park WA pastor that was on trial for being gay. But was dropped as they couldn't find proof he was a practicing homosexual with another man.... I guess these proceedings were behind closed doors.

 

[Skookum]

Ok i'll hit it....

The burly one is gonna hafta take sloppy seconds.:devil:

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by BurlySurly

I mean, If i were a thief, murderer, adulterer and refused to change my ways...how could I be accepted as a leader in the church?

Dude, you just hit on all the prerequisites to be a sucessful leader right there!

Seriously though, if you're gay, why join an optional organization that hates who you are? I've never been able to figure that one out.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by Skookum

Ok i'll hit it....

Get in line.... lol

 

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Get in line.... lol

That's a woman of the cloth you foul mouthed lecher

 

[Andyman_1970]

Originally posted by Silver
Seriously though, if you're gay, why join an optional organization that hates who you are? I've never been able to figure that one out.

Like the gay Episcopal Bishop, I too don't understand why they want to be a member of an organization that calls homosexuality a sin.

I would be curious to know how she "justifies" her lifestyle in light of what the Bible says.

 

[N8 v2.0]

The whole situation is just gay.

 

[pnj]

have you ever seen that public access show called 'Gays for Jesus'?

don't know if it's still on anymore......it was a local seattle show.

all she needs to do is start her own church, make whatever rules she wants. then get her congregation to DRINK THE KOOL-AID.

 

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by pnj
all she needs to do is start her own church, make whatever rules she wants. then get her congregation to DRINK THE KOOL-AID.

That was a joke, right? Here- I'll add the winky for you.

 

[pnj]

Originally posted by llkoolkeg
That was a joke, right? Here- I'll add the winky for you.

no, it was not a joke. kinda


sooner we rid the world of this type of [insert favorite word here] the sooner the rest of us can [insert something else here] (that was a joke ))

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
That's a woman of the cloth you foul mouthed lecher

The Jury is still out on that.....



BUt I will give you the foul mouthed lecher part

 

[JRogers]

As someone who has gone to church his entire life, I have to say that I really have no problem with a gay church official. As long as they perform as competently as any other person, doesn't bother me. For a basic outline of the arguments for and against the acceptance of homosexual Christians or church officials, a decent summary article (by a liberal Episcopal bishop) is here: http://www.dioceseofnewark.org/jsspong/catech.html

To those of you who argue scripture, think about what scripture says in its entirety. Essentially, I am pointing out that there are many laws, rules and regulations that Christians do not follow and never really did follow. Commandments that have been essentially rejected by both Jews and Christians alike. The Bible is a difficult document and its practical application is based more on the interpretation of what is in the text rather than the text itself. I'm sure lots of people would disagree with me on that last part in some way. Certainly, there are passages that take issue with homosexuality. But, as with many things in the Bible, we have to careful about what we take at face value and what we throw out. Why do we choose certain things and not others? Also, look at history for a second. Religions, beliefs and doctrines change as time goes. Interpretation, belief and consensus is never static. These change with the times just as much as morals and cultures do.

 

[LordOpie]

so basically... it's okay to molest little boys as long as you keep it a secret, but a consenting homosexual relationship out in the open is a no no?

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by LordOpie
so basically... it's okay to molest little boys as long as you keep it a secret, but a consenting homosexual relationship out in the open is a no no?

Who is that directed to?

....and why am I still at work? Double

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Who is that directed to?

i suppose the church... unless you think lesbian = bad

 

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by LordOpie
i suppose the church... unless you think lesbian = bad

No way ......lesbian= good
lesbian on DVD= better

 

[Andyman_1970]

I just had to respond to this. I'm not trying to start a huge debate, but I could not hold my tongue.

Originally posted by JRogers
To those of you who argue scripture, think about what scripture says in its entirety.

The "requirement" for those that lead local churches are very plainly outlined (1 Tim 3), one of the reuirements is that the pastor/preacher/preist (insert title here) be the husband of one wife. The literal translation of that is "a one woman man", it's kind of hard to do that if you are either a) a homosexual man or b) a woman.

I guess I don't understand where the Text "in its entirety" justifies or permits homosexuality.

Originally posted by JRogers
Essentially, I am pointing out that there are many laws, rules and regulations that Christians do not follow and never really did follow. Commandments that have been essentially rejected by both Jews and Christians alike.

I can't speak for the Jewish faith, but I am curious to know what are these commands we no longer follow?

Originally posted by JRogers
The Bible is a difficult document and its practical application is based more on the interpretation of what is in the text rather than the text itself.

From a practical standpoint the teachings of Jesus are pretty straight forward.

Please clarify what you mean by "interpretation of what is in the text."

Actually for the Jews they placed great emphasis on the text itself. This is important because the bulk of the Christian Scriptures were written by Jews. To fully understand the Scriptures we (Christians) need to stop looking at the Text through our linear Greek mind and look at the Text from the point of view of a 1st century Jew.

Originally posted by JRogers
Certainly, there are passages that take issue with homosexuality.

There are several passages that come to mind both Old and New Testament. Romans chapter 1 comes to mind.

Originally posted by JRogers
But, as with many things in the Bible, we have to careful about what we take at face value and what we throw out. Why do we choose certain things and not others?

I didn't know there was part of the Bible we could "throw out". What parts are those?

Originally posted by JRogers
Also, look at history for a second. Religions, beliefs and doctrines change as time goes. Interpretation, belief and consensus is never static.

I agree, history is an excellent tool to use to help understand the Text better. Our basic faith though for a Christian has not changed. Man though, has tweeked it over the centuries to suit his needs. The Text has not changed, nor has God changed, man is the one that has changed and tries to get God to change to suit whatever the cultural norm for the time is (slavery, homosexuality,etc).

Originally posted by JRogers
These change with the times just as much as morals and cultures do.

Moral relativism and the Christian faith are not compatable.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Looks like she has won her church hearing.

Reporters say she will take the next few months to decide if she will go back to her church in Ellensburg WA