Let's Just Roll Over like a good country - OK?

N8 v2.0 · Mar 18, 2004

Dim's, Europe and terrorists all want the US out of the Middle East.

All the more reason to stay.

Westy · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by N8
Dim's, Europe and terrorists all want the US out of the Middle East.

All the more reason to stay.

Great logic. Lets shape our foreign policy like a 12 year old girl who is mad at her parents.

How about we stay in the Middle East to finish what we started.

llkoolkeg · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by bikeCOLORADO
The statement tells American voters that Abu Hafs al-Masri supports the re-election campaign of President Bush: "We are very keen that Bush does not lose the upcoming elections."
The statement said Abu Hafs al-Masri needs what it called Bush's "idiocy and religious fanaticism" because they would "wake up" the Islamic world.

Ooooooooo...reverse psychology...they're breaking out the big guns now. So what if Spain recalls their troops? Less potential "friendly fire" targets to hit, I say.

rbx · Mar 18, 2004

i stopped reading after i noticed its from "foxnews"

golgiaparatus · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by llkoolkeg
Ooooooooo...reverse psychology...they're breaking out the big guns now.

LOL, exactly what I'm thinking... wow those islamic militant guys are really clever.

We should turn around and give it back to them... "we demand that you BOMB us ASAP" :rolleyes:

$tinkle · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by rbx
i stopped reading after i noticed its from "foxnews"

that's too bad you missed reading the Associated Press release.

howsa bout boston herald, or the nat'l post, or perchance you'd rather read it in india's statesman

you don't know how press releases work, do you? Here's what you can rest easy knowing: most news coverage is by associated press or reuters, who have saturated the world w/ reporters. Then, a highly biased news company like foxnews has the audacity to report it verbatim (including the byline and two little letters in parentheses "A" followed by "B"), then make the outrageous claim to say "we report, you decide".

Tenchiro · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by N8
Dim's, Europe and terrorists all want the US out of the Middle East.

All the more reason to stay.

So what you are saying is, it is like the rest of the world and half of America against the Republikans.

Time for the current administration to get a clue. They have succeeded very well in not only dividing the country, but also the world. :rolleyes:

Silver · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Tenchiro

Time for the current administration to get a clue. They have succeeded very well in not only dividing the country, but also the world.

Oh I don't know about that. Remember when Bush said he was a uniter, not a divider? He was right. He managed to take an amazing amount of goodwill, piss it away, and unite the opinion of most of the world to an anti-US stance.

See, a uniter.

BurlyShirley · Mar 18, 2004

I dont quite get what the hell you all are talking about. If someone can explain to me how John Kerry will more effectively deal with the War on Terror better than Mr. Bush is, i'd be very interested. Thus far, all Ive heard is, "get bush out" "kerry's the man."

What's the answer folks? Seriously.

Tenchiro · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I dont quite get what the hell you all are talking about. If someone can explain to me how John Kerry will more effectively deal with the War on Terror better than Mr. Bush is, i'd be very interested. Thus far, all Ive heard is, "get bush out" "kerry's the man."

What's the answer folks? Seriously.

More like just "Get Bush out", you were half right though.

BurlyShirley · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Tenchiro
More like just "Get Bush out", you were half right though.

If that's your mentality than what are you doing in "Political Debate"?
What is the improvement with John Kerry?
How will we stop terrorism....with appeasement or with action? What's John Kerry's stance and how does it differ from Bush's?

$tinkle · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Tenchiro
More like just "Get Bush out", you were half right though.

what do you like about kerry, that you won't/can't get with bush?

Tenchiro · Mar 18, 2004

It isn't about Kerry though, I just dislike the way Bush has handled his almost 4 years.

First and foremost, it doesn't feel like he is a servant of the people. Second it is like Silver pointed out, he has only succeeded in uniting the world against us. Maybe he made his own case against himself when he said "There ought to be limits to freedom.", while discussing an anti-Bush website.

Personally, I don't think Kerry could do any worse. But I have no strong feelings for or against him.

BurlyShirley · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Tenchiro
It isn't about Kerry though, I just dislike the way Bush has handled his almost 4 years.

First and foremost, it doesn't feel like he is a servant of the people. Second it is like Silver pointed out, he has only succeeded in uniting the world against us. Maybe he made his own case against himself when he said "There ought to be limits to freedom.", while discussing an anti-Bush website.

Personally, I don't think Kerry could do any worse. But I have no strong feelings for or against him.

So you dont know, but you're sure it must be better.
great plan.

How about all those guys fighting right now overseas? Any opinions? What's kerry's plan with them, or is it just you? What about terrorists or do you not care? How has Bush handled terrorism badly?
How will Kerry do it better.
Dont give me more rhetoric or random quotes. I want to know a viable stance on something before i go basing critical decisions..but thats just me.

$tinkle · Mar 18, 2004

kerry's got more positions that kama sutra

and he's french looking.

BurlyShirley · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by $tinkle
kerry's got more positions that kama sutra

and he's french looking.

oh shux,

I was hoping to bate the man into giving me one of the many kerry stances so i could fire back with a direct quote saying the opposite

Tenchiro · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by BurlySurly
So you dont know, but you're sure it must be better.
great plan.

How about all those guys fighting right now overseas? Any opinions? What's kerry's plan with them, or is it just you? What about terrorists or do you not care? How has Bush handled terrorism badly?
How will Kerry do it better.
Dont give me more rhetoric or random quotes. I want to know a viable stance on something before i go basing critical decisions..but thats just me.

Your right neither I or anyone else know definitively if Kerry can do a better job, that is just the way it goes with any election. But I do know he can't do any worse of a job.

I also agree we must take a strong stand against anyone that attacks the US, and that we did good work in Afghanistan but we should have kept focus on Al-Quaeda and not gotten sidetracked in Iraq.

I am also not comfortable with his administrations erroding our freedoms, for any reason. He also brings far too much religion into office, and the American constitution should never be used to remove peoples rights in the name of religion.

Did I mention his administrations out of control spending habits?

Silver · Mar 18, 2004

Kerry sucks. Frankly, all the candidates sucked. I was really hoping that Edwards would have gotten the nomination just to see what the debates would have been like.

Bush just happens to suck a lot worse. From faith based charities, the Iraq invasion (which the Democrats did a glorious job of rolling over on, thanks guys), the proposed constitutional amendment (yeah, I know Clinton signed the DOMA. I think that sucked too), and the incredibly huge increase in discretionary spending, I've got more than enough reasons to not want Bush in office.

Hey, I didn't even get to the Medicare bill payoff yet either...

I used to think that much like Nader did, that the two parties were so close to each other that it didn't matter who you vote for.

Be that as it may, I'll take a secular plutocracy over a religious one anyday. Having a leader that reads the paper occasionly too and doesn't revel in his ignorance might be a nice thing as well.

Sad to say, I'd be proud to vote for a guy like John McCain, or Russ Feinstein. I don't agree with McCain on a lot of things, but I also don't think that he is lying to me every time his lips move. I don't have that much respect for any other politician these days.

BurlyShirley · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Tenchiro
Your right neither I or anyone else know definitively if Kerry can do a better job, that is just the way it goes with any election. But I do know he can't do any worse of a job.

I also agree we must take a strong stand against anyone that attacks the US, and that we did good work in Afghanistan but we should have kept focus on Al-Quaeda and not gotten sidetracked in Iraq.

I am also not comfortable with his administrations erroding our freedoms, for any reason. He also brings far too much religion into office, and the American constitution should never be used to remove peoples rights in the name of religion.

Did I mention his administrations out of control spending habits?

Do you have any idea of the size of the US military dude? Not even 1/2 of it was committed to Iraq. Not even 1/10 to Afghanistan. We were never sidetracked. The hunt is still on...beleive me.
Have you turned on the news today? Do it and tell me what the top story is. Or better yet, check any major news website.

The fact is, John Kerry is nothing but the anti-bush. Fine if you like that, but make sure your decision is based on facts and not rhetoric like it sounds.

brenth · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by BurlySurly

Have you turned on the news today? Do it and tell me what the top story is. Or better yet, check any major news website.

I didn't think the US military was involved in that?

BurlyShirley · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by brenth
I didn't think the US military was involved in that?

US troops dont have free reign in Pakistan, however I heard they are lined up near the border of Afghanistan. Do you s'pose Al-Queda would be in Pakistan if it werent for the US forces pushing them that way :confused:

Silver · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by BurlySurly
US troops dont have free reign in Pakistan, however I heard they are lined up near the border of Afghanistan. Do you s'pose Al-Queda would be in Pakistan if it werent for the US forces pushing them that way

Yes actually, seeing as how Pakistani ISI if full of people who love helping Bin Laden out.

Pakistan is one of our illustrious allies. With friends like these...

BurlyShirley · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Silver
Yes actually, seeing as how Pakistani ISI if full of people who love helping Bin Laden out.

Pakistan is one of our illustrious allies. With friends like these...

If that were the case, why would we be in Afghanistan to begin with?

Tenchiro · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by BurlySurly
Do you have any idea of the size of the US military dude? Not even 1/2 of it was committed to Iraq. Not even 1/10 to Afghanistan. We were never sidetracked. The hunt is still on...beleive me.
Have you turned on the news today? Do it and tell me what the top story is. Or better yet, check any major news website.

The fact is, John Kerry is nothing but the anti-bush. Fine if you like that, but make sure your decision is based on facts and not rhetoric like it sounds.

The biggest story I have seen is that Pakistan may have found a high ranking Al-Quaeda guy.

Your right, Kerry's biggest asset is that he isn't Bush. But I am basing my opinion, on how I feel Bush has (mis)handled the country. I have no special love for Kerry, but he is the guy that was picked to go against Bush. I don't know if I will vote for him, but I will certainly not be voting for Bush.

N8 v2.0 · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Tenchiro
...Kerry's biggest asset is that he isn't Bush.

And that's it. It's all he has going for him.

It isn't going to be near enough to win the presidency of the US.

Westy · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Silver
Yes actually, seeing as how Pakistani ISI if full of people who love helping Bin Laden out.

Pakistan is one of our illustrious allies. With friends like these...

Pakistan is only a problem because the Saudis have funded schools not just in Pakistan but in the whole Arab world that teach hatred toward western culture. There is a whole generation of people out there that hate the US and everything we represent thanks to the Saudis. And there is damn little we can do about it because the most likely alternative to the Royal Saudi family is the radical Islamist culture that the Royal Saudi family has funded. About the only thing we can do is stop buying Saudi oil, and I need Saudi oil to haul my bike to the trailhead.

Tenchiro · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by N8
And that's it. It's all he has going for him.

It isn't going to be near enough to win the presidency of the US.

Well it's enough to lead him in some of the polls.

But I guess we will have to wait and see.

Silver · Mar 18, 2004

Originally posted by Westy
Pakistan is only a problem because the Saudis have funded schools not just in Pakistan but in the whole Arab world that teach hatred toward western culture. There is a whole generation of people out there that hate the US and everything we represent thanks to the Saudis. And there is damn little we can do about it because the most likely alternative to the Royal Saudi family is the radical Islamist culture that the Royal Saudi family has funded. About the only thing we can do is stop buying Saudi oil, and I need Saudi oil to haul my bike to the trailhead.

Agreed...except for one thing.

Pakistan has nuclear weapons. And they continually teeter on the brink of a military coup or a nutso theocracy.

But still, our valuable allies in the war on terrorism...

$tinkle · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by Westy
Pakistan is only a problem because the Saudis have funded schools not just in Pakistan but in the whole Arab world that teach hatred toward western culture. There is a whole generation of people out there that hate the US and everything we represent thanks to the Saudis. And there is damn little we can do about it because the most likely alternative to the Royal Saudi family is the radical Islamist culture that the Royal Saudi family has funded. About the only thing we can do is stop buying Saudi oil, and I need Saudi oil to haul my bike to the trailhead.

how do you stop buying saudi oil? Sure would be nice if gas stations would fly a flag for which country they get their oil. I'd pay $5/gallon for the guarantee of some norwegian sludge.

i'm not saying we deserve it, but we sure have no right to b!tch about chickens coming home to roost, eh?

peter6061 · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by N8
And that's it. It's all he has going for him.

It isn't going to be near enough to win the presidency of the US.

I'm having this same debate in my head.... don't like Bush, but don't think Kerry is the man for the job either. Won't vote for Nader, cuz that's just a vote for Bush.

On the Kerry side, I did see video of him carving it up on a snowboard in Idaho this morning on the news. Bush doesn't have that credential.... so Kerry goes up a small notch on the scale.

golgiaparatus · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by bikeCOLORADO
Alright Mr Liberal, Play the Partisan Game at all costs, "I'll only listen to my own sources"...this is factual information that's published for your disbelieving eyes all over the Internet...

really annoying when you reply to someone without quoting them... makes thread hard to follow.

golgiaparatus · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by BurlySurly
I dont quite get what the hell you all are talking about. If someone can explain to me how John Kerry will more effectively deal with the War on Terror better than Mr. Bush is, i'd be very interested. Thus far, all Ive heard is, "get bush out" "kerry's the man."

What's the answer folks? Seriously.

Maybe Kerry will call it what it is instead of a war?

Calling our stepped up enforcement of international law on terrorism, "The War on Terror" is nothing but a publicity move to get the US people behind Bush. Bush knows that "War" has a history of doing 2-3 things, most of the time it improves the economy (especially in WW1 and 2), uniting the american people with a feeling of 'team', and no president has ever been beaten in an election during a war... so If bush can convince the US that we are at war then he stands a better chance of reelection. I'm sure he will desperately and exponentially play the war card during his election campaign... especially if he starts to lose his grip on the American public.

IMHO bush is a manipulitive sneaky professional politician, that uses the USA as a tool to satisfy his motives, to enforce his beliefs, and to cultivate his ideas not those of the people.

N8 v2.0 · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
Maybe Kerry will call it what it is instead of a war?

Calling our stepped up enforcement of international law on terrorism, "The War on Terror" is nothing but a publicity move to get the US people behind Bush. Bush knows that "War" has a history of doing 2-3 things, most of the time it improves the economy (especially in WW1 and 2), uniting the american people with a feeling of 'team', and no president has ever been beaten in an election during a war... so If bush can convince the US that we are at war then he stands a better chance of reelection. I'm sure he will desperately and exponentially play the war card during his election campaign... especially if he starts to lose his grip on the American public.

IMHO bush is a manipulitive sneaky professional politician, that uses the USA as a tool to satisfy his motives, to enforce his beliefs, and to cultivate his ideas not those of the people.

Tin Foil Hat ALERT!

golgiaparatus · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by N8
Tin Foil Hat ALERT!

WTF are you talking about? I assume the 'tin foil hat' thing is you putting me in some kind of alien conspiracy theorist catagory?

What I said is far from a conspiracy. Bush wants to get reelected, simple as that, and hes gonna play the 'were at war' card as much as possible... thats a FACT. You argue it as much as you want but anyone can listen to how much that man likes to say WAR and see what I am getting at.

LordOpie · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by N8
Tin Foil Hat ALERT!

Pom Pom ALERT!

ummbikes · Mar 19, 2004

USA Patriot act.

Kerry is going to lessen it's blantantly fascist sections.

Bush would like to increase its powers.

N8 before you pop off, read all 300+ pages of HR 3162. I'll provide this link to help you find it.

Read all about it!

When you are done we can talk about it and you can explain why this law is helpful and why it should be expanded.

N8 v2.0 · Mar 19, 2004

Originally posted by LordOpie
Pom Pom ALERT!

Holier-Than-Thou ALERT!

:devil:

Let's Just Roll Over like a good country - OK?

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