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Liberal Little Rock dubbed the 'meanest city' for the homeless... thx to Bill Clinton

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Lib's have such compassion and acceptance of all who are disadvantaged...
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LR dubbed ‘meanest’ for homeless by advocacy group
BY ANDREW DEMILLO AND JILL ZEMAN ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

Efforts to close 27 transient camps earned Little Rock the title "meanest city" in the nation, according to a report due out today from a national homeless advocacy group.

The National Coalition for the Homeless branded Little Rock with the title in a ranking of 20 cities. The rankings were derived from purported civil-rights violations and attitudes toward the homeless. Atlanta, Cincinnati and Las Vegas ranked in the top 10.

Little Rock’s ranking results from a proposal this year to close more than two dozen camps of homeless people around the city, mostly downtown. The plan was tabled after objections from advocates for the homeless, but the coalition said a danger remains that the city will move forward with its plan.

"This issue has been percolating here for some time," said Michael Stoops, director of community organizing for the Washington-based coalition. "This is the first time that Little Rock has been documented in our report." This marks the third report released by the coalition. Las Vegas has held the top spot for the past two years.

City leaders and some shelter directors on Monday objected to the ranking.

Little Rock leaders questioned the timing of the report, released a little more than a week before the Clinton Presidential Center’s opening, and sent out a three-page news release defending the city’s policies on the homeless.

"This has caught us totally off guard, and it’s unfair," City Manager Bruce Moore said of the report.

Moore cited steps the city has taken to help the homeless. He said such steps make the title of "meanest city" more dubious.

The city allocates money to the St. Francis House, which provides services for the homeless, Moore said, and Little Rock employees helped with a homeless outreach day on Sept. 25.

In its proposed 2005 budget, the city has set aside $70,000 in community development block grant money for a day resource center for the homeless. Moore said he hopes to allocate more money for homeless services from the city’s general fund in its 2005 budget.

"I just think you’ve got a few people out there that are intent on making Little Rock look bad while we’re continuing to work with a group of individuals to address this problem," Moore said.

The report also cites comments by Mayor Jim Dailey, who has advocated sweeping out the camps, as a reason for the ranking. Dailey did not return a call seeking his comment.

Sandra Wilson, executive director of the Arkansas Supportive Housing Network and a vocal opponent of the sweeps, said she hopes the report will spur the city to change policy toward the homeless. She said discussions with city officials have seen little progress.

"There aren’t enough resources for the homeless here," Wilson said. "[City leaders] have to actually look at that and say we really haven’t done any good. ... Instead of being silent, we need talk about this."

Moore debunked the idea that Little Rock called for homeless camp sweeps to clean up the area before the Clinton library opening.

"The Clinton library just has never been a factor in any of our decisions or dialogue," he said.

The report speculated that the Nov. 18 opening of the library, expected to draw more than 27,000 people, factored in the sweeps.

Little Rock numbers among 168 cities working on a 10-year plan to address chronic homelessness, a plan expected to come out in December.

Phil Mangano, the nation’s top official on homelessness, said he found the report "surprising," given the discussions.

"There’s this unprecedented partnership around our country to do the right thing and be more solution-oriented in approaching homelessness," said Mangano, executive director of the U.S Interagency Council on Homelessness. "I know Little Rock is a city that is moving in that direction."

City Director Michael Keck said the city has "bent over backwards" to work with homeless advocacy groups and other organizations to help Little Rock’s homeless.

"Having someone who doesn’t live here who is trying to get a headline because the library opening’s getting ready to occur — I don’t think it does anything to advance the cause. I really don’t."

As the report comes out this morning, city leaders will gather south of downtown to break ground for a $1.4 million shelter for Our House. The 70-bed shelter, expected to open next summer, will replace the shelter on Main Street.

Barry McDaniel, president of the shelter’s board of directors, had doubts about the ranking.

"We’re certainly not at the forefront in the efforts to deal with homelessness," said Mc-Daniel, husband of City Director Barbara Graves. "But we’re certainly not in the rear either."
 

Andyman_1970

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I'm so "proud" to live in such a compassiontate city................... :help:

As a conservative this makes me sick..........not to mention you can't swing a dead cat in this town without either hitting a church or a billboard advertising a church.

Bill Clintons church he used to go to Emmanual Baptist just built a multi (and I mean multi) million dollar church on the west side of town...............while how many people go hungry in this town every night.......... :mumble:......not to mention that Little Rock is now not known for it's compassion.
 

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Andyman_1970 said:
I'm so "proud" to live in such a compassiontate city................... :help:

As a conservative this makes me sick..........not to mention you can't swing a dead cat in this town without either hitting a church or a billboard advertising a church.

Bill Clintons church he used to go to Emmanual Baptist just built a multi (and I mean multi) million dollar church on the west side of town...............while how many people go hungry in this town every night.......... :mumble:......not to mention that Little Rock is now not known for it's compassion.

Southern Baptists are the worst for building church complexe$... yet do the least for the truely disadvantaged...
 

ALEXIS_DH

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N8 said:
Southern Baptists are the worst for building church complexe$... yet do the least for the truely disadvantaged...
southern baptists are bad. but catholics you have to stand in awe of them, they ARE THE WORST.

the sistine chapel says it all.
and every little starving town in rural south america got a big ass church or cathedral instead of getting a hospital or more soup kitchens or something like that.
 

ALEXIS_DH

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me thinks i´ll make my own church in the south of the US if things go bad around here.....

seems very profitable, plus that tax thingy .. hmmm..... :drool:
 

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ALEXIS_DH said:
southern baptists are bad. but catholics you have to stand in awe of them, they ARE THE WORST.

the sistine chapel says it all.
and every little starving town in rural south america got a big ass church or cathedral instead of getting a hospital or more soup kitchens or something like that.
I don't know.. the cathloic church has a lot more social programs than the baptists do... but that's only to convert more cathloics though..
 

Andyman_1970

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N8 said:
Southern Baptists are the worst for building church complexe$... yet do the least for the truely disadvantaged...
As a member of a Southern Baptist church (even though your statement is somewhat of a generalization) I'll have to agree with you on this one...........
 

Strakar

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ALEXIS_DH said:
the sistine chapel says it all.
Yeah! And now that you mention, those Pharaohs were real SOB's!!

I'm not religious, and the historical hypocrisy behind most religions is obvious, but the fact is that for example in Africa, the Catholic Church is present in almost every mildly "effective" social program.

Heck, I don't even have to go to Africa, here in Portugal the Cat. Church is responsible for a huge amount of social initiatives... Around here it's the evangelic churches that have the worst record in terms of actually helping the community instead of just showing off.

What I'm saying is that although I see your point, your generalisation might turn to be incorrect.

Another thing to consider is that, for a lot of communities in this world, building a church (catholic, protestant, ortodox, doesn't matter) comes first than building a healthcare center or providing help for the poorest. Again, these wouldn't be my (and yours I'm sure) priorities AT ALL, but it's the way things work in a lot of places in our world.
 

Changleen

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Strakar said:
I'm not religious, and the historical hypocrisy behind most religions is obvious, but the fact is that for example in Africa, the Catholic Church is present in almost every mildly "effective" social program.
Would that be the same catholic church who told african Aids victims not to wear condoms because it's a sin and that they do not prevent the transmission of Aids anyway? I agree - that was an effective social program. Now 100's of million of Africans can die a long slow death, just like they deserve, sinners that they are!
 

Strakar

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Changleen said:
Would that be the same catholic church who told African Aids victims not to wear condoms because it's a sin and that they do not prevent the transmission of Aids anyway? I agree - that was an effective social program. Now 100's of million of Africans can die a long slow death, just like they deserve, sinners that they are!
I thought about that when I wrote my previous post, but it was being debated whether the money was invested in social politics or not, so I sticked to that.

I'm not going to get dragged playing the devil's advocate, because there are several other issues regarding the churches positions that are also absolutely non defensible. None the less, your whole
Now 100's of million of Africans can die a long slow death, just like they deserve, sinners that they are!
is BS. I have hundreds of people from Angola, Mozambique, Guiné-Bissau, and Cabo Verde, living less than 100 meters from me and from them I know that although the Church is in some areas the only recognized source of social order, its influence is not absolute. All the people that I know that voluntaried to Africa, in programs most of the time associated in some way with the Catholic church, do not follow the churches official stance on this, on the contrary, they work hard to inform people about AIDS, and encourage the use of condoms. In the end it's still an individual choice.

So, my point is: - Is the Church right about prohibiting the use of condoms? -> of course not.

Has the church the responsibility to inform the populations about the risks of AIDS and how to avoid them? -> Yes.

Is the Church responsible or could it prevent every death caused by AIDS in the African continent? No. I agree that the actual position is costing lives (which is unacceptable), however there are programs that in turn are saving other lives.

I don't know... does the good equal the bad? I think that the church in the whole still has a benefic effect, but should be pressed to allow and even encourage the use of condoms.
 

HarryCallahan

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Getting back to the thread title however briefly...

Santa Cruz is off the scale liberal, like Berkeley or San Francisco. But every time the city council decides that they've had enough of folks p*ssing on sidewalks, refuses yet again to lift the ordinance against camping on that sidewalk or in parks, the homeless advocates here roll out that "Meanest City in America" shtick. Its dubious, at best. :rolleyes:

Now Las Vegas? I can believe that. They are notoriously intolerant of anything that disturbs the party good time vibe.

You may now resume your debate about Africa and churches.