[punkassean]

I am building a new bike and was hoping to run '05 Deemax but Mavic won't have any until sometime in January. Now I think I might build some wheels but I don't know what my options are for Saint axle compatible hubs. I plan to run my current Hayes for a while maybe something else later but even then it won't be center-lock. Is it possible to modify my King hub to work with a 10mm axle? It seems like I could machine the end caps and maybe make a sleeve or something? Basically I want to know my options...

So if anyone can post what hubs they know to be Saint compatible that would be cool!

(Juicy side note: Mavic is claiming black 721's for '05! SEXY!)

 

[HippieKai]

king makes the "fun" bolts that would work don't they?
are why not just rock some saint hubs and get the center lock adapter so you can run any brake you want? i know hadley makes a 10mm axel.

 

[punkassean]

If I'm not mistaken, the Saint hubs are expensive and heavy. I am building a freeride bike and weight is a fairly big concern. Plus If I have to build wheels I like to use the best stuff where as if I could just get Deemax off-the-shelf I'd be willing to compromise somewhat for the convenience.

I might do it though since my old shop has Saint hubs in stock and I can get a sweet deal. But I'd prefer not to.

I think I'd still have to modify the fun bolts to work with the Saint axle though since it slides through and doesn't thread in.

 

[Dogboy]

DT Swiss has hubs that are compatible with the axle and rotor. Awesome quality and light too-but pricey.

 

[punkassean]

I dig the DT's I will check on the availability of those today. Do they make them in a Saint axle compatible with IS disc mounting? I know they make a Saint/Saint but do they make a Saint/IS

 

[HippieKai]

I am building a freeride bike and weight is a fairly big concern.

I think I'd still have to modify the fun bolts to work with the Saint axle though since it slides through and doesn't thread in.

yeah i didn't think of it that way. i know there is a few other hubs out there that are saint ready, but i don't remeber them off the top of my head.

as for freeride and weight, i don't mean to be a punk but....get real man, if your going to huck it, it might as well be burley and not break. And i know that there are things that are less heavy and very strong but when it comes to freeride it just seems weight can't be that big of a deal.

punk ass jerk man (aka. kai)-

 

[punkassean]

Kai, I agree but I guess my California definition of freeride is different than the PNW. (ie; freeride isn't necessarily just hucking)

I should also clarify that I'm not looking to skimp on strength for the sake of weight, I just don't want to buy expensive heavy durable parts when I could buy slightly more expensive light-ish and equally durable parts. For example: DT Swiss' Saint hub is in the same price range as Saint but it's lighter and equally strong I'm sure. Does that clarify things somewhat?

I just sold my DH bike and I am selling my XC-ish bike so I am building a intermediate bike (32-34lb). Light freeride...

 

[punkassean]

maybe I should have said "Trail-Bike" instead

 

[Rik]

I read somewhere that Saint is offering a 12mm option for 2005 (the site I saw this on is down)... so, if it's true, then you've got a whole lot of options open to you, provided you can be bothered modifying an axle to suit.

 

[punkassean]

that's true about the 12mm, I am building a QR drop-out frame though so I would either need a 10mm or have to machine a step or something.

 

[HippieKai]

maybe I should have said "Trail-Bike" instead

yeah geez man go and confuse all us PNW with your "freeride" talk
i agree that you can save lbs by getting certain parts ie the d-max wheels, and it would be benificail for "trail" riding. now i see your ways and thought process. all this damn lingo getting mixed up between states and countries man!
then again price always wins out in my book (for the most part) if it's just as good but a lot heaveir at half the price...then a tank i will ride. i mean come on i'm a poor student!
kai-

 

[punkassean]

werd, I am as poor as they come but I have some good "bike equity" in my bike I just sold and the one I plan to sell. I am getting a good deal still too so that makes it all possbile.

 

[OGRipper]

Uh oh, I smell this thread turning into a debate over what "freeride" means....Noooooooooooooooooooooo.........

Go DT Swiss, not sure about the Saint axle/IS hub though. It sounds like money is not that much of an object, so if your hellbent on the Saint der you could always get the DT hubs and some centerlock rotors...you would still be able to use your hayes brakes until you get something else....hmmmm, does anyone have a weight comparison of say regular hayes 8" rotors v. centerlock? I thought the centerlocks are supposed to lighter but I don't know, and I guess you'd really want a comparison of the hub and rotor, cuz you need to count the lock rings, etc. It may that the lightest way to go is the DT/Centerlock set up, but that's definitely more bucket$$$.

 

[HippieKai]

Uh oh, I smell this thread turning into a debate over what "freeride" means....Noooooooooooooooooooooo.........

no way man we settled it.
cali freeride = more trail riding and the occasional hit or drop. slightly more weight consious bike. but still enough burl to take some abuse

PNW freeride = Dh but with up hill and less speed, bigger hits and more drops than pedaling around. heavier burley bike so it won't break when you throw it.

both = fun and thrills.
we are happy for eachother just being able to ride what we like, common termonology or not.

peace keep kai-

 

[leprechaun]

Hadley-Use the Saint axle which i use

Hadley's own crazy fun bolt type system

DeeMax will be available for O5

DT Swiss

Any 12x150 as soon as the Saint 12mm is out.

Now my friend at Shimano says that the Hone hub has a threaded axle That accepts Hone or Saint ders via a long axle and nuts.The bonus here is that the axle fits in XT and XTR hubs.On the Saint der you remove the threaded cap so you can slide the axle through it in order to use the Hadley Fun bolt or Hone axle.
A little confusing but i will get more info from him soon.

PS i have finally gotten used to Rapid Rise and must admit that it is fine,but it took me like 3 weeks of riding to force my brain to deal with it(big paddle= big gear).This der is bomber and i do officially reccomend it.My forgerd qr hanger would bend all the time and would cause popping as i was pedaling off stunts-SCARY! Since i swapped for Saint i've had no problems including riding Boulder City with a 24" rear wheel.There are gouges of metal curling off of the bottom of the perrallelogram but no change in shifting.I'm no Shimano lover,just a lover of what works best.

 

[Castle]

wouldn't a hadley with a 10mm thru axle work just fine? what am I missing?

as long as you have the saint axle and der.?

seems like it would, I haven't installed much of this stuff, and what I have has been complete bikes, saint hubs, saint brakes, saint axle and der. so on.....

 

[Tarpon]

Is it your goal to run a Saint derailleur? If so, you can make your King hub work (I'm running my Iso that way now). You can probably modify the QR axle with a 10mm thru hole for the Saint axle. The HD axle with the Fun bolts will work too (that's what I am running) if you shim the OD of the axle a little since the FUN bolt threads are 12mm.

Any hub that can take a 10mm thru axle will work. Remember, the Saint system is a thru bolt, the bolt passes thru the hub and threads into the derailleur clamping the hub into the dropout. I only mention this because one of your posts was confusing where you mentioned needing to modify the FUN bolts.

 

[Tarpon]

One other thing I forgot to mention if you are trying to run the Saint rear derailleur. The Saint hub is something of a bargain if you factor in the cost of the axle. They cost $53 when purchased by themselves, they are included with the Saint hub.

 

[me89]

the saint way
problem solved

if you decide to go with a saint hub you can use that problem solver adapter to mount your hayes. also the saint hub only ways 500 grams. and me personally id rather have a little extra weight than worry about my componets breaking on me.

and if you want to buy the deemax as a full wheel set you can get this little thing.
its available now dude

 

[joelsman]

bontrager has a hub also that is saint der compatible, go to nsmb for an article,

 

[AlberTop]

the saint way
problem solved

if you decide to go with a saint hub you can use that problem solver adapter to mount your hayes. also the saint hub only ways 500 grams. and me personally id rather have a little extra weight than worry about my componets breaking on me.

and if you want to buy the deemax as a full wheel set you can get this little thing.
its available now dude

From Jenson's Website:

Problem Solver's handy Centerlock adapter converts Shimano® and Shimano®-style Centerlock hubs (XTR, XT, and DT Centerlock) type hubs into a standard 6-bolt ISO rotor mount. You can then mount a standard 6" disc rotor.
Please note: this item does not work with Shimano Saint® hubs, or Shimano XTR® WH-M965 and XT® WH-M765 wheelsets.


Is this right?

 

[Tarpon]

the saint way
problem solved

if you decide to go with a saint hub you can use that problem solver adapter to mount your hayes. also the saint hub only ways 500 grams. and me personally id rather have a little extra weight than worry about my componets breaking on me.

and if you want to buy the deemax as a full wheel set you can get this little thing.
its available now dude

This adapter does not work for the Saint splines.

 

[buildyourown]

also the saint hub only ways 500 grams. and me personally id rather have a little extra weight than worry about my componets breaking on me.

Yeah, Shimano rear hubs are well known for there reliability
They're definitly worth the weight.

 

[punkassean]

Yeah, Shimano rear hubs are well known for there reliability
They're definitly worth the weight.

Yup, that's exactly what I was thinking...

Saint hubs are $129ft and $199rr, that's getting too close to King and other top-notch brands. I like that they have replaceable inner and outer races but all-in-all I'm not sold on them for that much $$$. Plus I don't want center-lock rotors. I think I am going to hold out for Deemax and obviously get the Saint axle kit-like I planned originally. It seems to be the most simple soultion. I was this close to buying the Saint hubset today and lacing them to 721's but the shop didn't have black DB spokes in the right sizes. Plus they ahd the brakes but no levers. It's just a bummer that Mavic is out of stock on Deemax for over a month. :mumble:

 

[me89]

i was just giving suggestions lay off man. and besides the dee max come with the adapters so no big and problem solved.

 

[punkassean]

The Deemax adapter is $50 extra but worth it.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

wow it is offically saint hub day on the my thread now this...