1. Locate your bicycle.
2. Ride your bicycle.
3. Be amazed that you can "train" while having fun riding your bicycle
Long bikes are... bad???
- Thread starter norbar
- Start date
2. Ride your bicycle.
3. Be amazed that you can "train" while having fun riding your bicycle
His lumbar spine looks kind of rounded to me when he's in the low position, which suggests to me that he has to stretch to get low. which also suggests his reach (or is it R.A.D.) is a bit too long. He should probably shorten it up a touch.No shit?
Bike geometry and sizing has always meant a compromise in handling one way or another and at the end of the day it should come down to personal preference and experience. Not some ageing skills coach coming up with a new bike sizing formula. "RAD" just says to me Lee has spent far too much time thinking about and promoting his stupid Riprow homemade gym apparatus and is doing everything in his power to justify it's existance. The dude's even gone as far as trying to re-name basic weight shift movements to fit in with his product. "row!" and "anti-row" Fuck off Bro.
Somehow somewhere along the way he seems to also have managed to admit he's short so it stands to reason he's going to prefer shorter bikes init? I could be wrong here but he really doesn't strike me as the sort of guy to have ever gone pro-DHer fast over gnarly WC DH terrain.
There's litterally a BMX track behind this stupid cunt.
From the skills he actually teaches and the way he describes how to attain grip I genuinely think Lee would struggle with a lot of the more technical riding we do here in winter.
Last edited:
There's no way someone who's 5'6" should be considering a 29er unless they're an XC racer and can afford a light build. If a serious enduro racer, maybe a mullet.
Riding in Colorado (Lee is from Golden/Boulder) conditions is VERY different from riding mud and roots. When traveling racing it would take me a day of practice to remember how to ride those conditions from my upbringing in New England before moving to Colorado
i went through the same thing when i moved to socal
Yeah. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I'm well used to riding those conditions on shit tyres and hardtails so transitioning to loose dry conditions isn't so difficult.
well I voted for it to be a donut shop or strip club behind him but no one gave him the memo!!!
What you don't like our kitty litter we call dirt!!!!
Moar fodder for discussion?: https://nsmb.com/articles/pitching-forward-impact-steep-seat-tubes/
He misses the point that in the other mentioned categories the cockpit usually sits lower and on longer stems which leads to a higher bend angle at the hips and lower back. Not sure if he does it on purpose or accidentally.
Triathlon and time trial are the worst examples to compare to trail or downhill bikes.
So in my eyes - fail.
Triathlon and time trial are the worst examples to compare to trail or downhill bikes.
So in my eyes - fail.
Here you also compromise your power output for better aerodynamics, so the steeper seat angle is trying to offset some of this. But not even pros can put as much power down in that position as they can on a regular road bike.
With headtube lengths varying by over an inch, and the linear setback of a seat at full extension varying by who-knows-how-much, a single number to boil down that triangle of fit is really pointless. As is just using reach.
The reality of is that 99% of riders, including those who try to be particular about geometry, have not really explored the extents of anything beyond ETT or reach and paid proper attention to effective stack height, or measured what effects any of these dimensions have on hip angle/back angle, other than what "feels" right. So if that's where the effort ends...no point in breaking it down any further than that.
The reality of is that 99% of riders, including those who try to be particular about geometry, have not really explored the extents of anything beyond ETT or reach and paid proper attention to effective stack height, or measured what effects any of these dimensions have on hip angle/back angle, other than what "feels" right. So if that's where the effort ends...no point in breaking it down any further than that.
To be fair extensively trying multiple geometry combinations isn't a cheap option. Hell it wasn't until recently that seat masts on larger bikes started getting short enough for people to really be able to try bigger bikes properly. Cutting down a seat mast is a hell of a risky move to make.
It's OK. I'm almost 50 and have no shame
I just like to pretend like a kid on a BMX bike.My apology, I forgot to wear a fanny pack for this one
I've never met gary but I did get a completely unsolicited "lesson" on dirtjumping from Lee who cannot ride real dirtjumps.......as I was riding real dirtjumps right in front of him, doing things on a bike he never could and never would do.
I will gladly put 500 dollars on gary any day of the week.
We need a fuckin bike off y'all. Which means before that, we're gonna need a montage. With music that both challenges and inspires.
I will gladly put 500 dollars on gary any day of the week.
We need a fuckin bike off y'all. Which means before that, we're gonna need a montage. With music that both challenges and inspires.
Last edited:
Blast from the past
www.instagram.com
Vintage DH on Instagram: "1991 Boulder Bicycles Kamikaze bike. Super long reach and wheelbase, and zero reach stem . . . . #downhillbike #downhillmtb #cycling #vintagebike #vintagemtb #oldschool #oldschoolmtb #freeridebike #freeride #mtb #bike #biking #mtbiking #huck #hucking #riding #mountainbike #mountainbiking #vtt #offroad #ride #moto #dirt #dirtbike #brap #mtbikers #downhill #downhillmountainbiking #vintagedownhill"
938 likes, 22 comments - vintagedownhill on April 6, 2021: "1991 Boulder Bicycles Kamikaze bike. Super long reach and wheelbase, and zero reach stem . . . ..."
www.instagram.com
See?Blast from the past
Vintage DH on Instagram: "1991 Boulder Bicycles Kamikaze bike. Super long reach and wheelbase, and zero reach stem . . . . #downhillbike #downhillmtb #cycling #vintagebike #vintagemtb #oldschool #oldschoolmtb #freeridebike #freeride #mtb #bike #biking #mtbiking #huck #hucking #riding #mountainbike #mountainbiking #vtt #offroad #ride #moto #dirt #dirtbike #brap #mtbikers #downhill #downhillmountainbiking #vintagedownhill"
938 likes, 22 comments - vintagedownhill on April 6, 2021: "1991 Boulder Bicycles Kamikaze bike. Super long reach and wheelbase, and zero reach stem . . . ..."
Some of us knew we needed to gag roadies and throw them off a bridge so we could design real bikes......even back then
Of course we had to go through the "this must be a short upright motorcycle" phase first because dirt roadies still had relevance for some reason when it came go geo
Nah, more like 8 years. When suspension started being reliable enough to just start increasing travel. The skinny bar true 7-8" travel bikes with 15" bbs actually weren't around very long. Trail bikes sucked for a longer period but dh bikes (where the real innovations happened) started getting pretty damn good after about 2007 or so.
winner winner chicken dinner!
Is that a Foes DHS? Random story - my first DH podium was as a result of me entering a Sport class race on a shitty Avanti and the dude right behind me in the start queue had a friggen Foes Weasel with some USD forks. Back then I assumed anyone with a bike that sweet would know how to ride so I was so worried about being caught and passed that I panic-sprinted for my whole run waiting for the sound of Mr Foes calling track.
Or you could have bought a large 2001 M1 and put it in the lowest setting and have a pretty good geometry and great suspension (FSR).
Yeah, it was a DHS Mono. Very short top tube but it had that scissor link to make the rear end stiff so that’s why I liked it at the time. Kooka cranks on there too if anyone remembers those.
@iRider I got an M1 after that Foes
That was my DHR. Probably the most fun I had on a bike. Rode the piss out of it. Yes, I had actual BMW pedals as well but was sponsored by ATomLab. Broke 2 sets of their Lexan pedals. I think it was 50lbs even with Monster T. BTW that fork felt good.....
I gave the measurements Lee mentions on the video a go, and compared them to my current bikes. I'm still on the fence about them. They might hold some merit after all... I'm 6 ft, or 183 cm tall. That would give me an ideal RAD number of 457.5, or 466.5 erring on the long side. Now if I'm reading Lee's instructions right, that ideal RAD number equals the more common reach number all the other brands are using...
Right now my main enduro bike has a 464mm reach with a 35mm stem, a 37mm offset fork, a 75° STA and a 63.7° HA, and I feel comfortable on it, but I always felt like I would like to try something with a longer reach and a shorter seat tube. My XC bike has a much more traditional geometry, with a 443 reach, 70° HA and 73.5° STA. I'm running a 90mm stem on it. Again, I'm comfortable on it, but the new trends got me curious about a longer reach and a shorter stem.
Upon making Lee's numbers I'm now debating IF I need a longer reach. On top of that, GG's geometry suggestions says the same, I need a 472 (size 3) reach Megatrail...
Right now my main enduro bike has a 464mm reach with a 35mm stem, a 37mm offset fork, a 75° STA and a 63.7° HA, and I feel comfortable on it, but I always felt like I would like to try something with a longer reach and a shorter seat tube. My XC bike has a much more traditional geometry, with a 443 reach, 70° HA and 73.5° STA. I'm running a 90mm stem on it. Again, I'm comfortable on it, but the new trends got me curious about a longer reach and a shorter stem.
Upon making Lee's numbers I'm now debating IF I need a longer reach. On top of that, GG's geometry suggestions says the same, I need a 472 (size 3) reach Megatrail...
they were notoriously snappy; everyone i knew that ran them weren't on them for long. pretty tho, and were made here (back when we had a thriving cottage industry of local bike component manufacturing).
Didn't the DH version (Razor???) faired better than their initial design, which was indeed breaking a lot.
2003 original Schladming track, was a nice bike but creaked and cracked on the little finish jump. Recorded 20 m that day.
Attachments
Who could forget the Kooka Double Barrels?
I think they might even have come with a sort of oil slick finish...certainly orange/red/ blue mix...or maybe Rasta?
I think they might even have come with a sort of oil slick finish...certainly orange/red/ blue mix...or maybe Rasta?
there were a few iterations. maybe there were some that weren't butter? these were shit:
