What do you think?? I like the fact that more brands are exploring the "trans-box"concept. hmmm... i want a time machine and go 5 years in the future..
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You have to work on your industry contacts... Maybe you should try to meet more riders? :love:V-Dub said:Why am I always the last to know about this kindof stuff?
V-Dub said:Why am I always the last to know about this kindof stuff?
Yeah looks like a bad episode of american choopers...mandown said:aesthetics are awful. hope it rides well & has a better factory paint job.
Nick said:according to the riptv interview on Pinkbike ... the gearbox in this bike is a product of HAYES. I believe EW is the only US company to be using Hayes' gearbox at this time, but they mentioned another European companywhich I can't recall.
agreed. having to open a cogbox to adjust & maintain the bits inside doesn't sound like a fun chore; given the added weight & proprietary bits, the appeal over a conventional deraileur system is reduced. ideally we should have transmissions with similar reliabilty to motorbikes - ie, years without maintenance outside of oil changes. how cool would that be? the rohloff is the closest thing out there, but it needs refinement for frame - mounted applications. i'd like to think they (rohloff) see a future in the g-boxx system & are working on something specifically designed. maybe one of the giants (shimano / sram) have something up their sleeves; they've definately got the engineering/financial firepower to do something really cool...atrokz said:That being said, I cant say I'm a fan of this system, as it's still a derailleur in a box, which means the same alignment issues, wear issues, and maintenance issues that come with a cog based system. At least they are looking forward however.
what alignment issues? the main sprocket displaces from side to side giving a perfect chain alignment each gear; the sprockets itself acts as a part of the shifting mechanism.atrokz said:That being said, I cant say I'm a fan of this system, as it's still a derailleur in a box, which means the same alignment issues, wear issues, and maintenance issues that come with a cog based system. At least they are looking forward however.
Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, sorry. To better explain: The Petespeed system still relys on a 'derailiuer' inside right? Even if that derailiuer is continualy moving, it may still need alignment every so often (due to teeth being worn, stops coming loose or wearing, etc) as it's a chain & cog system which means good alignment is key. Even so, a continualy sliding part will wear down it's guide which in turn will create alignment issues as well. Granted it's better than conventional with reagrds to durability but my guess is it's still not Rohloff reliable . My concerns are in this becoming missaligned over continual use which is not the case in typical (note: conventional bicycle transmissions not being typical) transmission systems. Hope that helps.zedro said:what alignment issues? .
I don't understand this honestly.Inclag said:Why can't Ellsworth please go away??
The secret is gothic lettering. It has to be THE only reason.Jeremy R said:I don't understand this honestly.
How the hell do they stay in business?
There are thousands of stories online about people getting screwed over by them, their frames are known for snapping, and half of the negative talk about them comes from the owner being such a douche. I know people personally who rode their bikes, detroyed them, got shafted and moved on. Whether its on the web or the trail, people relentlessly abuse the company, yet year after after year, they are still around while companies like Ibis could not sell enough bikes to eat.
I have never owned one, and have no personal experience with them, but it makes you wonder who in still buying these bikes?
See: MTBR threads about non Horst Turners.Jeremy R said:I don't understand this honestly.
How the hell do they stay in business?
The Petespeed is a thing of beauty in terms of simplisityAlejandro24 said:HAYES?? ahhh that´s the "Petespeed" gearboxx tha they bougth from Be One, a dutch bike company.. they using it in their team DH rig, check them out:
www.petespeed.com
www.beone-bikes.com
julian_dh said:is it just me or dose that look like a v10 somehow?
IT'S AMAZING, IT ALWAYS SEEMS THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW ARE ALWAYS THE LAST. IT IS SO WIERD THAT CUSTOMERS KNOW MORE ABOUT MY VENDORS NEW PRODUCT OFFERINGS THAN I DO. WHY CANT MORE MANUFACTURERS RELEASE DEALERS NEWS LETTERS. FOR ONCE IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ONE STEP AHED INSTED OF A HALF STEP BEHIND!!V-Dub said:Why am I always the last to know about this kindof stuff?
everything will be ok. calm down.teamkranzelbike said:IT'S AMAZING, IT ALWAYS SEEMS THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW ARE ALWAYS THE LAST. IT IS SO WIERD THAT CUSTOMERS KNOW MORE ABOUT MY VENDORS NEW PRODUCT OFFERINGS THAN I DO. WHY CANT MORE MANUFACTURERS RELEASE DEALERS NEWS LETTERS. FOR ONCE IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ONE STEP AHED INSTED OF A HALF STEP BEHIND!!
Jeremy R said:I don't understand this honestly.
How the hell do they stay in business?
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lots of assumption there, and i dont feel the type of mechanism it uses (a linear slider vs the 4bar linkages of deraillers) will have any of those problems. In fact the generic type of wear you talk of could be "assumed" in a planetary style system too, that is not exempt from wear.atrokz said:Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, sorry. To better explain: .....
I agree with most of what you say but there is an ongoing debate as to whether rear derailleurs are four bar, faux bar, horst link, single pivot, or VPP...zedro said:i dont feel the type of mechanism it uses (a linear slider vs the 4bar linkages of deraillers) will have any of those problems.
yeah my worry has been the potential for say a jam, and weither that can be corrected on the trail. That meant access was needed which causes some design problems if you want an otherwise sealed system.OGRipper said:I think the real questions are about performance advantages vs. the desire for simplicity (see KISS rule), adapting the system to good suspension designs, and cost.