a 150X12 mm saint compatable axle-used the engineering machine shop for free(and got free aluminum as well.) i just need to find a 10X1 die and then thread it. it should save me money on my azonic recoil as that bike doesn't have a replaceable hanger and i would have to buy an entire swingarm if it should break.
look what i made
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Would you be interested in making another one?
Did you hand turn that, or do you not know the programming for threading?
Curb Hucker said:
Funny you mention that, of all the parts we reject a good 75% are from machine shops, mostly to CNC or Swiss shops, of that 75% nearly all of the rejections are because threads are out of tolerance. Just knowing how to program the lathe doesn't mean the threads will be even remotely close. Guys who make a living cutting metal can't even get it right a high percentage of the time.
You do know that even manual machines can cut threads right?
yes I do.Kornphlake said:
i did all the work by hand, the lathe can't take input like a cnc if thats what you mean. and as for the threads, we didn't have the right gearing for the weird shimano threads.Curb Hucker said:
and hekki, i would make another, but i don't know how they would like me making stuff for other people(might think im running a buisness) but i can always ask.
It's not weird, it's metric. You need a metric set of gears to get the right feed rate. This is one of the main reasons why metric isn't more accepted in the US. If it isn't easy to make the parts, the parts are more expensive.dcamp29 said:
For future reference, picking a SAE thread that is really close can get you most of the way there. 24 tpi is almost 1.0mm. Cut a 24 tpi thread on the lathe but leave the major dia at 10mm. Leave a little meat on the threads, then chase them with a 10mm die nut. This way you won't have to worry about starting the die croked.
Good luck
Good work. Being able to diy is a great feeling. I have a sneaking suspicion there may be a couple issues with using a Saint der on this bike. Does anyone have a good pic of the Recoil's dropout and the normal axle?
ROCKLAND said:
why is this? isn't saint made to be used with a 10 mm axle, so in that case i think there will be extra clearance in the dropout as this one is a 12mm. but, if not i figure i can get or make a spacer that will push the deraileur out further, and give it a flat plane to mount to.
Bear with me here. I'm gonna throw up a couple of pics.dcamp29 said:
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Part #5 in the asy dwg is the piece of the derialleur that is right up against the dropout. The other dwg shows this little tab on the backside of the part (they call it the end stopper). The tab keys into the dropout, below the axle, to keep the mech from rotating around the axle. 1.) The tab has a radius just big enough to clear a 10 mm axle. If the tab is going to sit under a 12 mm axle in the dropout, you 'might' need to make the radius bigger. 2.) Since the dropout slot is at least 12 mm wide, the tab may shift around. This 'could' be problematic when riding.
Or, there could be no problems at all... Let us know how it comes together.
Or, there could be no problems at all... Let us know how it comes together.
Shimano has 12x150in the works,but i don't know if the axle steps down or if there is a 12x 1 insert into the der or something like that.
Just some info for ya.
I love my Saint der.
Just some info for ya.
I love my Saint der.
I've had a Saint der for a couple of weeks now, and so-far-so-good. What I don't see is how a saint der set-up can work on dh bikes with a clamped thru axle. Ya know, ones with pinch bolts. The mech would have to sit waaay outboard. A mile away from the cassette.
not to mention hanging out for derailler hungry rocksROCKLAND said:
Yeah, seriously. Take a 150 over-locknut hub, add pinch bolt drops, then stick the saint out there = rock magnet. Don't matter how strong it is, if you clip every rock down the hillzedro said:
Don't worry cuz it won't work anyway.the drops must be flat without pinchbolts.M3.Highline,VP free,Uzzi,Azonic recoil,05 fly all have flat dropouts with a keyway for the der to lock into.
Saint + Deemax Saint Axle kit = 
one question for other Saint users. How close does the Shimano supplied axle come to the edge of the Saint derail? The Mavic one goes a little more than halfway through on my Enduro, I'd like a little more thread engagement but it has enough now.
one question for other Saint users. How close does the Shimano supplied axle come to the edge of the Saint derail? The Mavic one goes a little more than halfway through on my Enduro, I'd like a little more thread engagement but it has enough now.
Here's a shot of the thread engagement, it's almost a full inch but could be almost another 1/2".
here's a question for the DIY'ers. what tools are used to make cutting tools?
Are you talking about the cutting surface like a carbide insert or the whole machine? Machines are built by bigger machines, the first machines were built with scrapers hammers and files. Cutting tools are shaped by grinding. Grinding wheels are shaped by diamonds. Diamonds are shaped by hammers. It all goes back to the hammer. :love:squarewheels said:
Westy said:
Actually it goes back to the rock used to grind the hammer face flat.
Seriously though, I've seen guys that buy a pretty stripped down lathe and use it to buid an attatchment for hobbing gears, then they use the attatchment to cut gears for a mill, then they use the mill to make a surface grinder, they use the surface grinder to resurface the ways on the lathe and make it more accurate so they can make gun barrels, with the gun barrels they shoot small animals and feed their familes.
Your right, and the rock was the original hammer, so I guess it all goes back to the rock. I think I am going to sell "build your own lathe" kits on ebay that consist of a rock.Kornphlake said:Actually it goes back to the rock used to grind the hammer face flat.
the circle of life is an elegant one indeed....Kornphlake said:
this is getting fun 