Hahahah expensive man try looking at a $10K road frame or a pair of $3K wheels!
http://www.artscyclery.com/descpage-CV1R5CA.html
AAHAHAH
M9 ride reports?
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Hahahah expensive man try looking at a $10K road frame or a pair of $3K wheels!
http://www.artscyclery.com/descpage-CV1R5CA.html
AAHAHAH
or several thousand dollar brakes
I'd be willing to argue that its mostly volume, but I'm no expert on bike industry, just inferring from other experience.
Six Sigma is not the same as lean manufacturing. Six Sigma is about statistical process control while lean focuses on reducing lead times and cost through process improvement and flexible manufacturing. They do both incorporate the concept of continuous improvement and can be used together. The amount of documentation that is involved with Six Sigma is anti-lean in lots of ways.
To put it in layman's terms, lets say intense can produce 100 frames a week if they produce one model and 60 frames a week if they produce a mix of models. Traditional large batch manufacturing says you should produce the large batch to lower the cost per unit. However, in the real world this means you could lose sales because you can't deliver other models. It also means that you have a large amount of cash tied up in that inventory. If you are wrong on your projections you have to blow out the excess on chainlove at reduced prices. All of this leads to a lot of excess costs beyond the original cost per unit.
With lean manufacturing you focus on making your production more flexible so you can produce what you actually need. Lets say they reduce the time it takes to switch from one model to another. Through doing this they can produce 90 frames a week of various models. Yes, this is still less than the 100 per week they can make with a large batch but you have far fewer additional costs because they are making what they need when they need it.
To put it in layman's terms, lets say intense can produce 100 frames a week if they produce one model and 60 frames a week if they produce a mix of models. Traditional large batch manufacturing says you should produce the large batch to lower the cost per unit. However, in the real world this means you could lose sales because you can't deliver other models. It also means that you have a large amount of cash tied up in that inventory. If you are wrong on your projections you have to blow out the excess on chainlove at reduced prices. All of this leads to a lot of excess costs beyond the original cost per unit.
With lean manufacturing you focus on making your production more flexible so you can produce what you actually need. Lets say they reduce the time it takes to switch from one model to another. Through doing this they can produce 90 frames a week of various models. Yes, this is still less than the 100 per week they can make with a large batch but you have far fewer additional costs because they are making what they need when they need it.
I think the inference is that larger companies can afford to front the capital allowing them to be less efficient, but still operate for more profit. However, fronting the money to lean out the process has far more benefits in the long run, as explained.
All economics aside, I wouldn't mind being seen in public with that F1/Lotus Green/Yellow joint. Dead sexy.
Colin Chapman agrees!
Colin was also a fan of FRO: "Any race car that holds together for an entire race is too heavy."
EDIT: Not implying anything about Intense reliability...
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Not bad for a first post. Welcome.
Agreed that 6sig and lean manuf. are different, but they are often used in conjunction with one another.
In regards to the statement I bolded, I definitely agree, for the most part. It depends on what industry you work in to some extent. The industry I work for (medical device) is federally regulated, so for us, all that paperwork is absolutely necessary in order to be able to sell our product (and also pales in comparison to the amount of paperwork that has to be done in the even of a recall, not to mention the other headaches associated with that process).
Stick, can you confirm the BB height, I see it's listed as 14.2"-14.5", how does the adjustment go 14.2" = 8.5" and 14.5 = 9.5" or what? Do the G3's have any effect on BB height or just wheel base, they kinda look like they'd change both?
Mr Intense, Stik,
why are the headtube measurements on the website off? It was the case the M3, M6 ,and now with my M9, site says 4.3", I measured it at exactly 5".
why are the headtube measurements on the website off? It was the case the M3, M6 ,and now with my M9, site says 4.3", I measured it at exactly 5".
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hopefully the large wont be that big of a difference from advertised.
Thats the worst argument ive ever seen. Why would you even need an angleset for a demo, how do you know that the demo wont peform just as well with the RC4, you are creating variables to try and justify being ripped off to **** in your own country.
The anticipation is killing me.
I'm curious, I had an intense M1 (2003 or 4 model). It had the problem with the rear triangle mounting point being off by .25". You had to flex the suspension to make it bolt up. The 5th element shock also hit the frame under compression, and you couldn't change to any other shock mounting point as there was no clearance.
I'm not bashing Intense, but these were significant problems and caused me to rule out Intense frames for future bikes. Has the quality improved since then? I must admit I didn't even look at them when I was frame shopping and bought a Knolly.
I'm not bashing Intense, but these were significant problems and caused me to rule out Intense frames for future bikes. Has the quality improved since then? I must admit I didn't even look at them when I was frame shopping and bought a Knolly.
That sucks.
Ok, this sounds like a total noob question, but is the M9 still a loud bike? My last M was the 1 and yes it was loud bouncing through the rocks. The M9 looks great and I hope to demo one soon but just wondering if the pinging has been reduced at all as the series progressed.
Christian...
fixed, and here is proper spec sheet
Alexchannel,
we have gone through significant manufacturing changes since those days...I have put a bunch of M9's together since being here (in addition to slopestyles, tracers, uzzis, etc...) and stoked how everything lines up nicely when I put together production bikes for racers, media bikes, etcc..
MDJ,
m1 was not the quietest bike...m9 is much quieter due to new construction but more to the fact of how smooth the bike is over the rough stuff.
fixed, and here is proper spec sheet
Alexchannel,
we have gone through significant manufacturing changes since those days...I have put a bunch of M9's together since being here (in addition to slopestyles, tracers, uzzis, etc...) and stoked how everything lines up nicely when I put together production bikes for racers, media bikes, etcc..
MDJ,
m1 was not the quietest bike...m9 is much quieter due to new construction but more to the fact of how smooth the bike is over the rough stuff.
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They are a lot better than they were back in 03.
actually, I think he's entirely correct. What makes the rc4 a bad shock? you've ridden the demo? its too low and slack for you? Thats literally the only reason I see wanting an angleset for that bike, but it honestly doesn't really need one. There is something to be said for a bicycle that fits well out of the box and needs no modding, and the rc4 is a pretty solid shock if you you set it up right.don't you just love trolls
meh, i didnt like it one bit
As william said - what part of his answer is trolling? The fact that he doesnt agree with you? Demo is cheaper period. The extra stuff on the m9 is nice and probably costs what you estimated but its an add on. You cant get an m9 for 2500$. Its like you claimed merc s class had the same price as a toyota camry because of all the extra stuff you find inside it. A guy who has 2500$ wont be able to buy it off the shop shelf anyway.
Also isnt the whole local vs taiwan argument soo 2003? Intense had its share of dodgy frames while there have been some frames from taiwan that surpas in quality any bike you have seen. Please next time when you see a lapierre bike take some time to look at it and tell me it is done worse than an intense.
Hell tell me the new glory has lower build quality. Not to mention that we can use your example and with the 2010 glory price its 1600+ 500$ differance you see between the demo and m9 and you still get 900$.
Not that it matters because I dont want a glory, my last 2 bikes have been TW made and I dont see them being any worse than intense bikes (they sure do have better resale value and dent less).
No hate toward the intense. If Stick claims the m9 is build to last, not with the fro mumbo jumbo I belive him. I really want the whole 1 season race superlight sled fad to be over and Im pretty sure if intense will go that way, half of pb will notice
Depends on the frame, as always. Considering the lev. curve on the revolt Im not suprised it didnt work as good as with a legend or a sunday
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How did a DH frame thread have references to Six Sigma 
I wrote my senior thesis on Six sigma and this thread is conjuring up all sorts of nightmares of long nights in the library.
This thread needs moar of Matti showing the durability of the FRO design
I wrote my senior thesis on Six sigma and this thread is conjuring up all sorts of nightmares of long nights in the library.This thread needs moar of Matti showing the durability of the FRO design
Durable? Yes. Apparently the auto pilot can fail sometimes though!
Hence the reason we made the M9 to be perfect for most of the planet in the default/middle settings (progression adjustment in middle, G3 dropout in middle, travel adjust in middle, and 0° AngleSet).
I have never been a FRO preacher (ala spreading mumbo jumbo), to me, FRO is a moniker meant for our top of the line model. We could have made the M9-FRO lighter, but we made it to last. My wifes (Leigh Donovan 8th place) M9-FRO that Jeff Steber made for the worlds (Emmeline Ragot too, 3rd place) was truly FRO, lighter front shell, thinner-lighter rear stays, old lighter M6 EVO top link....He shaved a pound off her M9, but it was a one off, made for the WORLD championships only, stuff like that should not see production for the masses..........
No hate toward the intense. If Stick claims the m9 is build to last, not with the fro mumbo jumbo I belive him. I really want the whole 1 season race superlight sled fad to be over and Im pretty sure if intense will go that way, half of pb will notice
As I said before, I take comfort in knowing what the CRC boys raced on this year and knowing they had ZERO failures.
Now lets see some ride reports!
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Imho thats how it should be done. Fro super light for the top team and a bike that I dont have to worry about denting (pros dont have to but us regular joes have to sell the damn thing sooner or later). Its very good to hear what your saying. Ive seen the m9 in alpe d huez and they looked really nice though I think Im going to stay with my legend for a short while
Im only curious about one thing - is the downtube flat and very thin or is it a bit more dent proof than what it is trendy to do now?
If said red m9 would show up, there'd be a ride report. Wasn't overnight, saturday delivery, an option? Gosh!
Wasn't overnight, saturday delivery, an option? Gosh!
If said red m9 would show up, there'd be a ride report.
huh?
why is that. are you really getting that anxious?? you cant really make your mind up can you?
I had a hard time deciding between the DHR a M9. I picked the M9 because of the higher BB and more travel.
Plus intense is easier to deal with to get a shop guy price then turner was.
Can't wait to get it. Now I have to sell my demo 8.
Plus intense is easier to deal with to get a shop guy price then turner was.
Can't wait to get it. Now I have to sell my demo 8.
It's OK, I just gave you some rep and it's only Sunday!
surprised no one mentioned it before, but sicklines has a writeup on it
http://www.sicklines.com/2010/08/18/2011-intense-m9-detail/
http://www.sicklines.com/2010/08/18/2011-intense-m9-detail/
What size? Year? Frame or complete?