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MudGrrl

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Male Birth Control Hormones

Drug companies won't make a male birth control pill because men won't take it, according to the original engineer of the female birth control pill. Carl Djerassi says we could make a male pill today based on the same hormonal logic that guided development of the female pill. But he says no company is interested because men won't take such a pill, because there might be a slight risk of impotence, and men care more about preserving their virility even in old age than about sparing their partner an unintended pregnancy.

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The National Institutes of Health is funding development of a male contraceptive. The researcher who's getting the grant has achieved a 92 percent success rate and is aiming for 100. His method is a compound that blocks the sperm's chemical ability to penetrate the egg.

Men may soon have the options of a daily pill to be taken orally, a patch or gel to be applied to the skin, an injection given every three months or an implant placed under the skin every 12 months, according to Seattle researchers.

"I would rather rely on a solution that doesn't involve medicating myself and the problems women have had with hormone therapy doens't make me anxious to want to sign on to taking hormone-type therapy"


“It is time for men to have some control. I think it would empower men and deter some women out there from their nefarious plans,” says Brown. “Some women are out there to use men to get pregnant. This could deter women from doing this.

But will men take it? Some say yes, some say only if their partners make them, and other say they would never even consider it.

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would you guys take it?
 

Transcend

My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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because there might be a slight risk of impotence,
Interesting, does the female version have the same type of side effects? Inability to perform type things?

Also, taking it would largely depend on how common the effects were I'd imagine.
 

peter6061

Turbo Monkey
Nov 19, 2001
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I can't imagine men taking it unless it had some other alternate benefit. Many women use the pill to 'regulate' their period. Mine doesn't need regulation.

Now, a presex birth control pill that just needed to be taken minutes or hours before intercourse could see some light IMO.
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
Sep 8, 2001
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Nah, I can't believe that they can make anything strong enough to stop my evil seed...



Oh, and the vasectomy makes it rather unnecessary...
 

H8R

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Nov 10, 2004
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BikeGeek said:
I can't even remember to take my vitamin everyday and I've been trying to get into that routine for 2 years now.
No kidding. I make a bottle of 30 vitamins last 3 months.

The risk of impotency would make me forget everyday, without fail.
 

fluff

Monkey Turbo
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BikeGeek said:
I can't even remember to take my vitamin everyday and I've been trying to get into that routine for 2 years now.
Which reminds me that I've yet to meet a woman who'd trust a man to take charge of contraception. He's not the one who's gonna get pregnant after all.
 

jimmydean

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Sep 10, 2001
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Unless it was like Viagra where you could take it like an hour before, they could just include it with a condom and call it a 2-fer pack.

But then guys would leave them in a wallet for like a month and the pill would be crushed to powder... Nevermind.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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**** yeah, I would take it. Are you kidding? It would be the second greatest thing ever.

I would still prefer my special lady friend was also on the pill. It's a good thing to have redundancy is a good thing.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
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Another thought. Women have to take it every day because they're on a 30 day cycle, and if they skip it, the body can't wait to release an egg. Guys are on a 24 to 48 hour cycle if I remember right, so really you just need to remember to start taking it on Wednesday if you hope to get some action on Friday night. Just a hypothesis...
 

BurlyShirley

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Jul 4, 2002
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ohio said:
**** yeah, I would take it. Are you kidding? It would be the second greatest thing ever.

I would still prefer my special lady friend was also on the pill. It's a good thing to have redundancy is a good thing.
yeah, it would be like 196% effective.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
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BurlyShirley said:
Same woman that says, "I'll have a pabst, please"
I was thinking the same women that trusts a man to:
-pull out
-call her the next day
-not do her best friend
 

BurlyShirley

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ohio said:
I was thinking the same women that trusts a man to:
-pull out
-call her the next day
-not do her best friend
That's the best line ever "Just make sure to pull out"

...uh....ok:rofl:

Or, "can you get me a towl?"
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
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BurlyShirley said:
yeah, it would be like 196% effective.
Pill is like 97% effective. That's the scariest 3% I can imagine. It's like my own personal nuclear war.

Also, I once had a girlfriend who despite being on the pill insisted on the pull-out method because of that 3%. If I could've lopped another 97% off that 3% it would have both make the sex better and saved me a lot of laundry.
 

Zark

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Oct 18, 2001
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Put the contraceptive in beer and I'd remember to take it ;)

article said:
because there might be a slight risk of impotence,
Kinda hard to knock someone up with a limpy
 

MudGrrl

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well, this has been educational.


I kinda expected the majority of you guys to say yes.


If the contraception was in shot form (say you get a shot that lasts 3 months), would you do it? The only thing you have to remember is to show up at the Dr. once a quarter................
 

Old Man G Funk

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MudGrrl said:
well, this has been educational.


I kinda expected the majority of you guys to say yes.


If the contraception was in shot form (say you get a shot that lasts 3 months), would you do it? The only thing you have to remember is to show up at the Dr. once a quarter................
If it didn't make me impotent (which would defeat the purpose) I would take it in any form.
 

H8R

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fluff said:
Nice avatar.
I hate yours. Evil panda bears are a big problem where we live. They get into our trash and make nests in the basement.
 

MudGrrl

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Considering all the side effects that women face, it's a wonder we take this stuff......

my favorite parts are the decreased sex drive, heart attacks, osteoporosis, and depression....
:)

Depo Provera aka 'the shot'
"Other side effects of Depo Provera can include headaches, nervousness, mood changes, bloating, hot flashes, decreased interest in sex, breast tenderness, acne, hair loss, and back ache. '
Causes loss of bone density and risk of osteoporosis.

The Pill
Irregular bleeding or spotting
Nausea
Breast tenderness
Weight gain and/or water retention
Spotty darkening of the skin
Mood changes


Implanon
irregular bleeding patterns
headache
nausea
dizziness
sore breasts
must receive injection every three months
loss of monthly period, change of appetite, weight gain, depression, hair loss, or increased hair on the face or body, nervousness, skin rash or spotty darkening of the skin, change in sex drive
causes temporary bone thinning — talk with your clinician about the risks

The Ring
increased vaginal discharge.
vaginal irritation or infection.
rare but serious health risks, including blood clots, heart attack, and stroke — women who are 35 and older and smoke are at a greater risk.
other side effects include change in sex drive and temporary irregular bleeding, weight gain or loss, breast tenderness, nausea — rarely, vomiting, changes in mood, and other discomforts


The Patch
skin reaction at the site of application.
menstrual cramps.
may not be as effective for women who weigh more than 198 pounds.
rare but serious health risks, including blood clots, heart attack, and stroke — women who are 35 and older and smoke are at a greater risk.
other side effects include change in sex drive and temporary irregular bleeding, weight gain or loss, breast tenderness, nausea — rarely, vomiting, changes in mood, and other discomforts
 

ohio

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MudGrrl said:
Considering all the side effects that women face, it's a wonder we take this stuff......
I don't know what you're talking about... it clears acne and inflates boobs (making it that much more likely that I'll sleep with jailbait). Those are the greatest side effects I've ever heard of.
 

Ciaran

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Apr 5, 2004
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MudGrrl said:
Considering all the side effects that women face, it's a wonder we take this stuff......
My wife takes it of her own accord. No one forces her. If the side effects were that bad she'd stop.

That said, if the male BC was in pill form I wouldn't take it, but only because I would forget. If it was in shot form I would probably take it. Decisions like this must be discussed with the wife first.
 

MudGrrl

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Ciaran said:
My wife takes it of her own accord. No one forces her. If the side effects were that bad she'd stop.
I am not trying to imply that we are forced to be on this stuff.
The majority of us weigh the risks both ways and decide that the minimal chance of heart attack (you'll notice it's generally for smokers over 35) is less stress than our perception of having children.

I think that women have basically been told... hey, YOU take control of your sexual health... don't expect anyone to do it for you.

It's not so much of a statement to be on birth control now vs. years ago... you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a woman who hasn't been on hormones/ IUD/ patch/ shot ...(unless you're in Amish country)


We have plenty of options.

You guys have what?

-condom
-vasectomy
- is there something I am missing????

Ciaran said:
That said, if the male BC was in pill form I wouldn't take it, but only because I would forget. If it was in shot form I would probably take it. Decisions like this must be discussed with the wife first.
:thumb:
 

binary visions

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I'd take it but I'd expect look carefully into the impotency thing first. Of course, one should look carefully into any medication, especially one that will be taken daily.

But hell yeah, the idea of both being able to take the pill and all-but-eliminating the chance of pregnancy - that sounds great to me. I could develop the habit of taking a pill every day.
 

peter6061

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What benefit does a male taking a pill have?

Obviously, the whole pregnancy thing, but you're still going to be wearing condom for the whole STD thing, so all you're really doing is taking the chore of the pill away from the women and forcing yourself to have to remember to take a pill with potential side effects each day.

And women are probably still going to be on the pill anyway, so what's the point?
 

ohio

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peter6061 said:
What benefit does a male taking a pill have?

Obviously, the whole pregnancy thing, but you're still going to be wearing condom for the whole STD thing, so all you're really doing is taking the chore of the pill away from the women and forcing yourself to have to remember to take a pill with potential side effects each day.

And women are probably still going to be on the pill anyway, so what's the point?
Again, the women's pill is only about 97% effective (that is, 3 out of 100 women on the pill get pregnant while on the pill... not 3 out of 100 times they have sex, which would REALLY suck), which really isn't that great. Redundancy is a good thing in this case.

And some women have really bad hormonal reactions to the pill. If the male side effects aren't as severe, it would be nice to shift the responsibility. Why would you ever NOT want to have that option available to you?
 

Ciaran

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peter6061 said:
What benefit does a male taking a pill have?

Obviously, the whole pregnancy thing, but you're still going to be wearing condom for the whole STD thing, so all you're really doing is taking the chore of the pill away from the women and forcing yourself to have to remember to take a pill with potential side effects each day.

And women are probably still going to be on the pill anyway, so what's the point?
When you are in a committed relationship (like marriage) you don't have to use condoms. :love: That was a great day, the day we stopped using condoms.

For my own situation we would weight the pros and cons of me taking a BC pill versus her taking it. I think we would go with whichever has less side effects/negative effects on the body.
 

peter6061

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And I agree on the pregnancy aspect as noted above. But until I was married, I didn't care if she was on the pill or not, I'm throwing a sock on the pickle. Her 97% in addition to my 99.x% makes some pretty good odds of not getting pregnant or a disease.

STDs are far worse than unwanted pregnancy as far as I'm concerned.

I think the the opinions expressed here will vary depending on who is involved in the discussion. People out there having random sex with others are going to feel entirely different than those of us in committed relationships.
 

SuboptimusPrime

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My understanding is that male hormone based therapies could impact things like erectile function since they would in some way antagonize the male sex horomones which are required for sperm development, thus leaving you with a bunch of wimpy sperm that can't really impregnate anyone. Given the important roles of testosterone in maintaining male secondary sexual characterists and even mental function, I would be hesitant to take that pill as well.

However, the pills coming down the pipeline now target metabolic and other functional enzymes that are found only in sperm rendering them immotile or incapable of penetrating the woman's egg. These are much better targets on the surface of things since they would not have hormonal or anti-hormonal effects. If something like that passed FDA approval, I'd be down.
 

def

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You gotta really really really trust the girl before you pull the goalie. Male birth control sounds good and a johnny on the spot before the deed sounds even better. That could be 3 layers of anti-kid measures w/ the skanks.
 

sanjuro

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stupid. what about the men who get vasectomies? "hey i don't a pill that could affect my virility. just snip it down there..."
 

Ciaran

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sanjuro said:
stupid. what about the men who get vasectomies? "hey i don't a pill that could affect my virility. just snip it down there..."
I don't be puttin no sharp thangs near the junk. :nope: