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Manimal SO wishes he worked in Arizona right now

Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by kidwoo, Apr 23, 2010.

  1. kidwoo

    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    From the state that brougt you Martin Luther King free scheduling references:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36735281


    Sorry black guys. Driving while brown just took over.


    If I was dark skinned of ANY nationality, I'd get the fvck out of that state. Actually I kind of turn into a person of color during the summer so I better watch out.

    All you fat white dipshlts gotta clean your own damn toilets and mow your own goofy misplaced lawns now. Nice work.
     

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  2. johnbryanpeters

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    Arizona: the new Mississippi.
     
  3. reflux

    reflux Turbo Monkey

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    "Officer, are you racial profiling?"

    "No sir!"

    "You'd better get on it and start doing your damn job!"
     
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    drkenan anti-dentite

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    Damn...load up the van and get the fvck out of there!
     
  5. MMike

    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    I bet it will soon be a crime for cops to NOT beat up black people.
     
  6. stevew

    stevew unique white person

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    no...it's not against the law to be a person of color in mississippi.
     
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    valve bouncer Master Dildoist

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    How long before a) the first citizen gets locked up for not showing their papers b)the first law-suit and c) it gets struck down as unconstitutional?
     
  8. MMike

    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    Then they'd better make hay while the sun shines!

    Get a-clubbin'!!
     
  9. MMike

    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    Wouldn't it be awesome if this guy found himself on the wrong side of that law one day?

     
  10. stevew

    stevew unique white person

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    Waiting for a birther cop to demand barry's birth certificate the
    next time he is in Arizona.
     
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    KavuRider Turbo Monkey

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    We were talking about this at the shop last night.

    All sorts of fun should result from this...
     
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    valve bouncer Master Dildoist

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    This guy is gonna have a field day.

    Until he gets beaten, then he's gonna get a pay day.
     
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    splat Nam I am

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    Yes this is ludicrous , but why are you saying Manimal should work in Arizona because of this Law ? ?
     
  14. Silver

    Silver find me a tampon

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    He looks brown enough to send to Syria to be tortured...
     
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    the desmondo Monkey

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    hmmmmm
     
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  16. manimal

    manimal Ociffer Tackleberry

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    because he assumes that my right leaning stance on most issues AND the fact that i am, ironically, a cop (a structurally socialist profession) means that I am automatically a tea partier, immigration nazi, and haven't the ability to form my own opinions on matters involving the constitutionality of such a law, let alone the Fed vs. states rights issues that will likely come of this.

    in other words, kidwoo assumes that i dig sheeple like sara palin just as i assume he digs dudes in capris with frosted hair ;)
     
  17. kidwoo

    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    ^Yeah what he said.


    There's no cock in the world like the cock that emerges from a pair of capris.
     
  18. kidwoo

    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    What the hell stereotype is "frosted hair and wears capris?" :rofl::rofl:
     
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    jasride Turbo Monkey

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    Not sure but lesbian comes to mind for some reason.
     
  20. blue

    blue boob hater

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    :drool:

    I could use a lesbian hipster right now, always such freaks in bed. Must move back to California.
     
  21. MikeD

    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    It's just ludicrous that there's no centralized reference for birth records for American citizen.

    Cops should be able to message the Feds from their cruiser to get a near-instant email with the birth certificate information, dates and numbers of issue/re-issue of the record, and any fraud history associated with it, as easily as they can punch up a state driver's license record. It's just amazing that we don't keep track of who's actually born an American. And that we give citizenship to people born in the States to illegal parents based on a Constitutional clause which was designed entirely to protect against disenfranchisement of former slaves.

    Anyone proven to be without legal status coming into contact with any law enforcement for any reason should be immediately detained, turned over to Immigration, and deported as soon as expeditious. Got kids in the States? Sounds like YOUR problem, person who willingly violated the law. Take 'em with you when you leave. You're not even being punished for the felony you committed by crossing the border without perimission--just removed to where you belong. Count yourself lucky.

    That said, I've said MANY times that we should be focused not on finding and removing individual illegals (my example above concerns illegals coming into contact with law enforcement for any reason whatsoever, like a traffic stop or domestic violence call), but coming up with a reasonable, workable, and verifiable guest worker status and program, and focusing law enforcement efforts against American companies employing in violation of this new theoretical system, thus drying up the largest market for illegal labor and the biggest source of offensively and illegally sub-standard working conditions in our country. This theoretical system would require individuals to be present in person at a US consulate or embassy in their country of origin to apply, thus leading to self-deportation of the many hard-working people who are just trying to find the best job the can. (Which 80% of the illegals I dealt with in fact were...but that still doesn't give them a right to be present in the US without legal status, or in most cases to commit the various forms of identity fraud and theft that are necessary to be here illegally...)


    Ed: Manimal, what state's rights issues do you see with the law? Personally, I think it's neither here nor there, but as the state is setting a condition within its own borders, rather than the Fed imposing it, I don't see any jurisdictional conflict.

    Ed II: I think we should have centralized records, mind you, but the burden of proving anything still lies on the government. Anyone within America's borders has the right to say nothing at all to the cops, and no citizen be compelled to carry identification paperwork by federal law.
     
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    KavuRider Turbo Monkey

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    Wow. Agree 100% :thumb:
     
  23. Westy

    Westy the teste

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    Manimal out of uniform?
     
  24. manimal

    manimal Ociffer Tackleberry

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    right there with you on this but i can foresee a lawsuit making it's way to the supreme court...just my pessimistic attitude regarding the tenacity of lawyers and the barely legal status of groups like "La Raza".
    it pisses me off to no end that i'm often powerless to do anything about blatant fraud perpetrated by illegals; everything from ID theft, to driving charges, to assaults....but barring a violent felony, ICE won't get involved thus requiring me to charge someone who I know is illegal and who will never show up in court for lack of consequence.

    Arizona needed something like this; i'm not sure if this was the correct response but at least it sends a message. the landowners and residents of these border towns are tired of having their hands tied when illegals are crossing through their "yards" unchallenged and often armed/carrying drugs.
    Those who have never dealt with the headache of trying to identify an illegal who has committed a serious crime...or heck, just trying to ID the driver of a vehicle that has just caused an accident, have no room to talk. it's easy for outsiders to the system to claim that these laws are prejudice without an understanding of how the system is abused by these "innocent immigrants."
     
  25. manimal

    manimal Ociffer Tackleberry

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    just something i noticed at the International Home Furnishings Market(worlds largest furniture show) that occurs twice a year where I work. Our population nearly doubles twice a year as fashionistas from around the world descend upon our humble little city to buy/sell furniture for their respective corporate entities. i noticed a lot of man-pri's and frosted hair this year by the "fab five" types.

    http://www.highpointmarket.org/
     
  26. manimal

    manimal Ociffer Tackleberry

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    um...those were jeans, but my mom forgot to get me the "husky" size so they were a bit short and tight.
     
  27. Secret Squirrel

    Secret Squirrel There is no Justice!

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    You like your pants how I like my women.
     
  28. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    Like MikeD said a majority are here to work hard and honestly. Once NAFTA passed, US policies like corn, soy, and wheat subsidies put literally millions of Mexican farmers out of the job since the US floods their market with crops that are cheaper than they can produce even in Mexico. We are directly at fault and our companies benefit and take further advantage from the illegal labor market.

    What about ICE only busting a small number of these workers that work for large companies like Smithfield so these scumbag multinationals can get cheap labor and turn big profits? Why not bust the managers at Smithfield instead for knowingly hiring/creating the illegal worker influx and bad working situations which are often dangerous and do not meet OSHA standards that illegals are powerless to do anything about it. They are just as culpable if not worse than the illegals and so are ICE who agree to serve the companies interests by not doing large raids that would hurt the companies' bottom lines due to lack of workers.
     
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    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    The issue is that currently, there's really no way to prove a company knowingly hired an illegal.

    To get back on my 2005 horse, this should be solved with a biometric ID card for legal immigrants and guest workers. Companies employing such workers would lease, buy, rent, receive, whatever, the government-sealed and tamper-evident equipment to match IDs to owners (fingerprints, retinals, whatever). They get a red light or a green light. Green light means "hire", red means "refer subject to Immigration authorities for further investigation and/or replacement of a defective ID."

    These black-box ID machines would remain government property and tampering would be a felony, and they'd be subject to random inspection.

    Fines for hiring illegals would have to be severe enough to actually deter a company from doing it, and the guest worker program should be structured that companies repeatedly hiring illegals are excluded from hiring any immigrant labor after a designated number of strikes.

    Cops could have the same machines at booking areas, to ensure that any alien taken into custody is legally present and not using a superficially falsified/fake ID to run around the States.

    Fact is, currently, it's easy for street gangs and other low-level criminals to produce fake docs good enough to get anyone hired without employers getting in trouble for it. They can't and never will be able to fake a solid biometric ID.
     
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    Secret Squirrel There is no Justice!

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    Well, I see illegal immigration to have a positive and a negative.

    Obviously, the increased cost of policing and social services is a huge problem. And any group committing crimes, from driving uninsured to drug smuggling and gang warfare, is totally unacceptable.

    On the other hand, I depend on immigrant labor for basic services such as cleaning, construction, and moving. Do I check for a green card when I hire someone? No.

    And there are so many family and human rights issues which I feel the US does have a responsibility to deal with.

    What happens in Arizona will have a direct effect on California, whether it is a barometer for the changes in our laws or will more illegals move to Cali.
     
  32. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    ok, so wtf happened in recent history? i'm sure i'm not the only one here who's mowed grass, washed dishes, cleaned floors/bathrooms, or done other chit jobs for a few years.

    did we suddenly become soft or too good for getting paid for the same stuff we do @ home (on a smaller scale, yes)?

    i don't buy this whole "our economy will collapse if we have to start doing our own gardening & pool cleaning". ffs, we're becoming like canada, only browner & crankier.
     
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  34. kidwoo

    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    I agree. But add "FOR THOSE WAGES" to that clause and the meaning becomes something a little more defensible. Not by me per se, but more defensible to the spoiled frat boys with an MBA who can't find a job.
     
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    Don't worry there is no way California will pass this kind of law.

    More illegals, maybe.
     
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    The answer is yes.

    When I was a kid in New York, immigrant Koreans owned grocery stores and typically worked 100 hours a week. Before that, immigrant Italians did that kind of work.

    Do I want to make $8-10 a hour? Or better yet, am I willing to live a lifestyle on $250-300 a week?

    I don't think anyone who is capable of dragging their asses thousands of miles to a new country is lazy, and I certainly want them to help with the menial labor tasks that I can barely do myself.
     
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    rockofullr confused

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    Do you have some sort of proof that they were here illegally? Believe it or not some people come to this country with papers (even Italians).

    If they were business owners then they were probably legal immigrants.
     
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    sanjuro Tube Smuggler

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    Or as the great RM philosopher once said:

    "I won't eat fruit unless it was picked by American hands"

    - TheMontashu
     
  39. kidwoo

    kidwoo Celebrating No-Pants Day

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    Hey, he was a kid. He completely grasped the concept of work visas and could tell the number of hours someone worked just by smelling them.
     
  40. sanjuro

    sanjuro Tube Smuggler

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    My thing about "illegal immigrants" is that I figure if they are here, keep 'em.

    I know I can't justify it, and I would like to see more effort to keep them out.

    But these people aren't Al-Queda sleeper agents but someone who wants a better life for him/herself and their families.