The guy could have had a tiny nuclear bomb hidden in his large intestine. Prudence demanded kicking him in the face.
Manimal SO wishes he worked in Arizona right now
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Too much coffee for those Seattle cops!
"I was also going to give a graduation speech in Arizona this weekend, but with my accent I was afraid they would try to deport me."
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, California governor, speaking during a graduation speech in Atlanta, taking a shot at Arizona's new immigration law
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, California governor, speaking during a graduation speech in Atlanta, taking a shot at Arizona's new immigration law
and since his accent isn't mexican, he's (unwittingly, i think) implying this isn't about racism.
xenophobia may still be in play, though
Adding to this, Arizona has banned ethnic studies in their public schools.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/12/arizona.ethnic.studies/index.html?hpt=T2
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/12/arizona.ethnic.studies/index.html?hpt=T2
So, a Jewish school in Arizona can't teach about the Holocaust any more?
(Trick question. The holocaust, as any good white patriotic Arizona resident will tell you, never happened and is merely a Zionist plot.)
Genius!
or accounting
They want to stop all the tea baggings that have been occurring of late. Clearly that led to the overthrow of one government...so you do the math on this one...
Don't tread on me.
No taxation without representation.
BLah blah blah...
1st off Holder comes across weak seeing as how its only 10 pages .
2nd, as a honky in america i really don't have a problem with the law(sorry kidwoo).
Lemme explain.
Nobody likes to get hassled by cops obviously.
However, if i know i'm not doing anything illegal and get stopped at a DWI checkpoint for example, sure i feel annoyed maybe but whats the big deal if i'm not breaking any laws?
I'll be looked over a bit, insurance papers and valid DL checked and move along.
Thats how it is in a big society.
I don't believe marijuana should be illegal but i don't claim i'm being persecuted if i wanna walk around with some at a mardi gras parade b/c its the law.
So, if your brown and you feel a bullseye on your back, maybe the H8 should be at all the illegal browns breaking the law en mass making the legal ones look bad? (includes heavily tanned whites, asians, filipinos, light skin blacks, semi dark cubans, oh you get my point.
Oh, and if a group of heavily accented whites from a perceived other nationality are in AZ then by all means check them too.
And i wash my own car, cut my grass, wash toilet, paint drywall etc.(just for u Woo)
2nd, as a honky in america i really don't have a problem with the law(sorry kidwoo).
Lemme explain.
Nobody likes to get hassled by cops obviously.
However, if i know i'm not doing anything illegal and get stopped at a DWI checkpoint for example, sure i feel annoyed maybe but whats the big deal if i'm not breaking any laws?
I'll be looked over a bit, insurance papers and valid DL checked and move along.
Thats how it is in a big society.
I don't believe marijuana should be illegal but i don't claim i'm being persecuted if i wanna walk around with some at a mardi gras parade b/c its the law.
So, if your brown and you feel a bullseye on your back, maybe the H8 should be at all the illegal browns breaking the law en mass making the legal ones look bad? (includes heavily tanned whites, asians, filipinos, light skin blacks, semi dark cubans, oh you get my point.
Oh, and if a group of heavily accented whites from a perceived other nationality are in AZ then by all means check them too.
And i wash my own car, cut my grass, wash toilet, paint drywall etc.(just for u Woo)
U made me chuckle again silver.Heres the rub though.
We don't live on the prarie free as birds like 150 years ago.
As a nation with lots of population we do live under the rule of law.
If a rash of white perps from a WASP country were to start doing something on a wide scale here that was illegal, i can honestly say i would be annoyed but Ok if i had to show ID alot more*gasp profiling* including walking down the street if thats what has to happen to maintain law and order.
Thats the price we pay for overpopulating the world i guess is that sometimes peoples *feelings* get hurt to maintain some semblance of order.
I will readily admit though that the employers of illegals should have the law come down on them equally hard and thats what i don't see in any of the AZ bill versions. Ie, i'm ok with profiling/enforcement at chicken processors for ex.
You have a better idea?
can a person w/o a uterus have an opinion on abortion? it's possible to have an objective opinion, especially when you're disinterested
Yep. We hashed it out a couple of years ago.
Heres the rub though.
We don't live on the prarie free as birds like 150 years ago.
As a nation with lots of population we do live under the rule of law.
If a rash of white perps from a WASP country were to start doing something on a wide scale here that was illegal, i can honestly say i would be annoyed but Ok if i had to show ID alot more*gasp profiling* including walking down the street if thats what has to happen to maintain law and order.
Thats the price we pay for overpopulating the world i guess is that sometimes peoples *feelings* get hurt to maintain some semblance of order.
I will readily admit though that the employers of illegals should have the law come down on them equally hard and thats what i don't see in any of the AZ bill versions. Ie, i'm ok with profiling/enforcement at chicken processors for ex.
You have a better idea?
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Surely you jest?
You mean like the russian mafia, the italian mafia, or wall street?
Sure. Of course, if you made a law against jerking off, attached real penalties to it, but left a loophole that let you get a notarized note signed by two medical doctors after an intrusive public exam that said it was acceptable for you once a month due to prostate problems, would you really give the input of an 85 year old Catholic nun the same weight as your own?
yes, if there were 15M of them acting up
i'm going off of key words: "rash" & "wide scale"
i hope you don't believe they're being ignored b/c they're white(ish)
in my house, this *is* a penalty
U got me on that .
But are you saying that b/c one group is getting a pass (fat cat wall street sheisters) that we should not try to enforce any laws at all?
And, your example ain't so rosey seeing as how on one hand mafia is underground and not hanging out in droves at HomeDepot for easy pick up.
Totally agree with you on wallstreet and if it would make you feel better lets start at wall street so everybody can rejoice in whitey getting pinched 1st.
Certainly they got it coming
In fact, lets bust all white law breakers 1st so that no other group can cry foul.
If thats what it takes to clean up corruption, law breaking etc lets do it.
As hard as it is for other ethnic groups to believe, a lot of whites don't mind a crusade against white law breakers b/c breaking laws erodes society in general and we all lose eventually.
Is this Sheriff Harry Lee with the curfew for African-Americans?
You know what, i was against what harry Lee did with that but the facts are that in Jefferson Parish crime did drop significantly after that so i dunno.
I don't think we as a group fit into nice and easy categories anymore. So, just b/c a white guy in america would like to see some law and order restored in AZ they are then automatically anti-semitic?
Look, if a movement that has teeth was to start cracking down on corrupt white politicians, bankers, etc, i for one would rejoice and would never think whites were being singled out, law breakers are.
People are fed up man on all levels. I don't care were we start lets just start.
If whitey law breakers are 1st to submit to the law lets roll.
Exactly.
I agree 100%
I live in Phoenix. Its bad. Anyone who doesn't live here, doesn't know $hit about the situation. SOMETHING had to be done. Whether this was the right move remains to be seen, but I take offense at being told that because I'm white, and in support of this, I'm a racist. Hell, I know other immigrants (not latino) who are in support of this, they are going through the proper channels to become citizens and are pissed off the most about the situation down here. Its not "because they're mexican", its "because they are illegal".
are you implying all 15M illegal aliens are acting up?
Really? You dunno? Think hard about that.
You don't know if it's okay to impose a lockdown on a specific race (in it's entirety) because it leads to some increased degree of safety for society?
****, why don't we just throw them in internment camps? Or maybe ship them overseas? After all, it would make everyone else safer.
Well now, is our problem the violent latino gangs, or is it illegal employment and immigration status? The folks at Home Depot aren't violent criminals. They are folks who are here illegally, and not paying taxes, but are meeting a demand from paying citizens. I understand that both are problems, but the rationalization for this law and many others is the violent crime, not the "dey duk err jeerrrrrbbbbz."
If it's not an issue of public safety, there is absolutely no excuse for racial profiling and reduction of civil liberties.
So you agree a problem exist but you seriously think the USAshould just do nothing?
You made some points but i can tell you 1st hand that after Katrina i had a lot of theft issues with illegals who were working on nearby jobsites and i don't mean a compressor or 2.
Non violent? It may be cushy in san fran my man but go down to El Paso/laredo or san diego/Tijuana(you may have) and you can't tell me its not sketchy as fvuck. It 's lawless man.
You know about how extreme the drug war cartel sh1t is going down in mexico and it has been slowly simmering here for a long time. The beheading rate is 10x higher than Iraq/A-stan ever was.
I'm sorry i don't have a better way to start the assisimilation process other than identifying who is in the country. Thats right.Just b/c i'm not an uber super cheerleader for illegal immigration doesn't mean i dont fully support legal immigration.
Or did you make that assumption?
I know my peeps were immigrants too coming from France and Germany .
And public safety?
Tell that to the rancher who got smoked a few weeks ago. Its a festering problem that is not getting better on its own.
I dont H8 browns as it sounds like you imply. They did make a difference after Katrina so I get both sides.
And lets finally clarify the profiling aspect shall we?
You are assuming the law will green light cops to go 'round em up a like a heard of cattle and i'm saying thats not how its gonna play out.
Thats pretty extreme and not likely or proper.
If thats where we dont agree fine but lets be honest about it.
I think it will be applied more in the manner of inquiring status b/c your already coming across the cops for another reason.
Go ahead and howl thats the grey area but with all the scrutiny and ACLU on the sidelines it will be a good way to keep the profiling in check.
I don't think its obscene to ask someone their status in the course of a criminal investigation and i don't mean jaywalking.
And , a last point that that you hit on i the other post is the demand. I dont expect to have my cake and eat it too.
People who hire illegals are the problem as well. I used illegals after katrina for a job when my guys where still MIA in other states.
It was not the ethical thing to do and should not have.
So yes, lazy phat mericans are the problem too damit!
The law to inquire status is not flaw free 100% guaranteed but i think if it eventually leds to a more secure border on both sides of America then it is something worth trying.
Hey man, i voted for change ya know
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Yeah long and hard actually.
Thats why i didn't agree with profiling americans for potentially being on the verge of stupid.
Different context IMO.
Get off the internment camp thing, that we as a nation did shamefully do to asians during the war. They were americans at that point and the USA flipped out. Wrong move.
Thats not what i approve of doing in AZ.
Teabaggers maybe, but not me.
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Border violence has little to do with immigration and much to do with the war on some drugs.
Pretending that hassling people in Arizona (via the paper bag test) will help is like a doctor telling a heroin addict that he should cut 1/10th of the salt out of his diet.
It will do nothing to fix the problem.
Pretending that hassling people in Arizona (via the paper bag test) will help is like a doctor telling a heroin addict that he should cut 1/10th of the salt out of his diet.
It will do nothing to fix the problem.
Ding!
Or maybe we shouldn't create the problem in the first place with things like NAFTA and other "free trade" agreements.
Illegal immigration is by and large a "problem" (which in truth is not a problem at all for the wealthy but a massive boon to wage reduction) created by US economic policy, rooted in lobbying by American MNCs and industrial food suppliers.
The racism and xenophobia on display in these ridiculous laws/social mentalities is like nothing more than rats fighting over crumbs dropped from the banquet table.
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did you see the word 'illegal' in your post? i don't think it's a non-trivial attribute of their status. do you?
there's a line.
get in it.
godwin ftw
Nice dodge. Are you implying all 15M are engaged in violent crime?