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sanjuro

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By Jeffrey Jones

CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers were shot and killed during a raid on a marijuana-growing operation in rural Alberta on Thursday, in one of the bloodiest days in the history of the national police force, a senior official said.

A suspect in the shootout that erupted inside a large farm building that police were investigating also died when he turned his rifle on himself, said Bill Sweeney, commanding officer of the RCMP in Alberta.

"The loss of four officers is unprecedented in recent history in Canada. I'm told you have to go back to about 1885 in the RCMP history during the Northwest Rebellion to have a loss of this magnitude," Sweeney told reporters in the town of Mayerthorpe, about 140 km (90 miles) northwest of Edmonton.

"It's devastating."

The Mounties' names were not released. They were described as junior members of the force that has long been one of Canada's most famous national symbols.

In the late morning, the officers, armed with handguns, entered a large metal hut as part of a stakeout that began the night before when they came under fire from what police said was a man armed with a rifle.

In response, the force called in its SWAT team and major crime units and closed the airspace over the area. It requested the Edmonton city police department helicopter as well as armored personnel vehicles from Edmonton's armed forces base.

In mid-afternoon, police surrounding and stormed the building only to find the bodies of the officers and the suspect, Cpl. Wayne Oakes said.

The suspect may have entered to find the officers inside, then opened fire, Oakes said.

Police have been cracking down on illicit marijuana "grow-ops" that have sprung up across Alberta. Many of the operations targeted by the so-called police "Green Teams" are said to be connected with organized crime.

"The issue of grow-ops is not a ma-and-pa industry as we've been seeing for a number of years. These are major serious threats to our society and they are major serious threats to the men and women on the front line who have to deal with them," RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli said in Ottawa.

The federal government has angered police organizations and U.S. officials by planning to introduce legislation that would decriminalize marijuana possession.

It has been 120 years, during the long rebellion by Metis and Indians in western Canada, since so many national police officers have been shot and killed.

In 1963, four were killed in a plane crash in Yukon. In 1958, five died when their boat sank in Ontario.

In a statement, Prime Minister Paul Martin said: "Canadians are shocked by this brutality, and join me in condemning the violent acts that brought about these deaths."
 

fluff

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This thread should really be titled 'Crime and Murder' or 'Money and Murder'

Marijuana is one of the least likely substances to cause one person to shoot another, unless the research showing statistical links between marijuana and psychosis are shown to have a true causal link.
 

DRB

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fluff said:
This thread should really be titled 'Crime and Murder' or 'Money and Murder'

Marijuana is one of the least likely substances to cause one person to shoot another, unless the research showing statistical links between marijuana and psychosis are shown to have a true causal link.
Marijuana in this case caused one man to kill 4 cops. Seems a pretty accurate title to me.
 

fluff

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DRB said:
Marijuana in this case caused one man to kill 4 cops. Seems a pretty accurate title to me.
Really? Not, as Clancy98 said, finding police in his home and fear of arrest and incarceration? I suppose if he had been stealing cars you'd blame automobiles?
 

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fluff said:
Really? Not, as Clancy98 said, finding police in his home and fear of arrest and incarceration? I suppose if he had been stealing cars you'd blame automobiles?
Of course you could me more general and less informative and say crime and murder but as Clancy98 pointed out that's really going to depend on your agenda.

The fact of the matter is that he wasn't stealing cars he was growing marijuana. Far too often marijuana gets off for being the vicitimless drug while completely bypassing the reality that drug dealers / producers are some of the most if not most violent criminals around regardless of the drug in question.

Legalization may help it may not, that's not my point.
 

Zark

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DRB said:
Far too often marijuana gets off for being the vicitimless drug while completely bypassing the reality that drug dealers / producers are some of the most if not most violent criminals around regardless of the drug in question.

Legalization may help it may not, that's not my point.
MJ isn't the reason for that though, its just the vector. Prohibition you could argue is the cause for the drug dealing, mafia and violence. Legalize and legitimize it and take the money and power away from the thugs.
 

peter6061

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fluff said:
Really? Not, as Clancy98 said, finding police in his home and fear of arrest and incarceration? I suppose if he had been stealing cars you'd blame automobiles?
If he'd been stealing cars, you'd blame it on the 'theft' of cars, not the cars themesleves. It's the 'illegal' activity that's getting the blame. At this time, 'growing' MJ is illegal. Sorry.
 

valve bouncer

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That evil weed...how many more must die from it's insidious reach. Hey Fluff, try banging your head against the wall mate, I hear it feels good when you stop.;)
 

fluff

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valve bouncer said:
That evil weed...how many more must die from it's insidious reach. Hey Fluff, try banging your head against the wall mate, I hear it feels good when you stop.;)
I used to do logic. But I'm....all right...<gasp>... now....
 

Silver

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Again, anyone remember the stories about the Prohibition era? There was a time when driving a beer truck was a very dangerous occupation.

When's the last time a Budweiser truck got shot up making a delivery?
 

Silver

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valve bouncer said:
JUst because it doesn't happen, doesn't mean it shouldn't. ;) :D All Budweiser must be destroyed.
That's a different debate, and we should probably take that over to the Beer and Food forum :D
 

valve bouncer

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Silver said:
That's a different debate, and we should probably take that over to the Beer and Food forum :D
It's a foregone conclusion over there, those crew know what's what. :D I mean even N8 knows that Bud is craplola par excellence.
Anyway back on topic. 4 mounties died unfortunately. The proximity of the American market ceertainly ups the stakes, doesn't it?*








































*:::PD forum rules people- everything is Americas fault. :thumb: (yeah yeah I know Stinkell, poor trolling effort)
 

clancy98

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hey leave bud alone, some of us have weak little girl stomachs and like the watery stuff..
 

Changleen

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'Sticky'? Green bud? Wha...?

So in conclusion, Bud is good as long as you don't get shot growing it, and Bud is bad because it's sex-in-boat beer.
 

Kevin

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N8 said:
I think you'll find most of the stoners frequenting the shops there are tourists.

BUT.... they have their own problems... http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101884
Well since ive been living in Holland for 25years I guess I can safely say 99% of the stoners in the coffeshops are Dutch, in Amsterdam its prolly about 50%.
Allmost every Dutch town has one or more cofeeshops and I used to visit them on a regular basis (not anymore though for a few years now)
The murder rate here in Holland is really really low and the murders that occur are mostly commited by organized crime and on occaision some housewife getting killed for not doing the dishes in time, but Im pretty sure marijuana has about the same number of murders on its name as most golden retrievers.
 

sanjuro

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If anyone noticed, I did not write my opinion when I posted this story.

Many of my friends smoke pot, and there is not a murderer in the bunch. Obviously murders are committed by criminals, and growing marijuana is still a crime. Is every grower a murderer as well? No, just some of them.

If you smoke marijuana illegally, i.e., except in countries where it is legal; there is a price to be paid, whether you realize it or acknowledge it.
 

Changleen

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sanjuro said:
If anyone noticed, I did not write my opinion when I posted this story.

Many of my friends smoke pot, and there is not a murderer in the bunch. Obviously murders are committed by criminals, and growing marijuana is still a crime. Is every grower a murderer as well? No, just some of them.

If you smoke marijuana illegally, i.e., except in countries where it is legal; there is a price to be paid, whether you realize it or acknowledge it.
Not if a buddy grows it and his friends smoke it. He enjoys growing things and doesn't smoke himself and passes his friends weed every now and then. Utterly victimless. However in most cases you would be right in that crime profits from drugs. Another good reason to legalise it.
 

golgiaparatus

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DRB said:
Legalization
Yeah, put the baddies out of business. Who needs to support crime when you can just grow a few plants in your backyard, or go to the local market and get some like you would tobacco or tomatoes for that matter.

I have to agree, many people that grow and sell LARGE quantities are dangerous, paranoid, criminals... but thats only because its illegal. Its not the plants that make them dangerous its the fact that they KNOW they are criminals. Now if Marijuana was legal do you think that guy would have opened fire? Probably not.
 

jaydee

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Actually pot had very little to do with this guy shooting those Mounties. The guy was a well-known psycho and had been causing trouble and terrorizing people in his town since he was in high school. He was a convicted pedophile as well. The problem here is not cops being in his home when he was away; they were trying to do their jobs and were investigating his grow-op. And guess what; he had a big fricking automatic rifle, designed solely for man-killing. The problem is that the toothless Canadian justice system didn't lock him up for good even though it had many chances.
 

Silver

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It happened in Mayerthorpe...this is Texas with healthcare, snow, and sodomy of farm animals....so it doesn't surprise me that it happened there.

Still, if marijuana was legal, this guy would have been cooking meth, or he would have had 50 underage Thai girls as sex slaves.

Some people just ain't no good.
 
valve bouncer said:
Don't blow a gasket, but you do realise that you are agreeing with Changleen in this thread. :eek:
Yeah I know it. He likes to run his mouth about my country, calls my military collegues murderers, and stands so far left of left he's right. I personally want to knock him into the next century. But he has a point there. Take it away from the criminals and legalize it. There are too many positives to ignore there.
 

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genpowell71 said:
Yeah I know it. He likes to run his mouth about my country, calls my military collegues murderers, and stands so far left of left he's right. I personally want to knock him into the next century. But he has a point there. Take it away from the criminals and legalize it. There are too many positives to ignore there.
Bwahaha. I find it amusing how wound up you get by people on the internet. Soldiers are stupid. :nuts:
 

Racer-X

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DRB said:
Marijuana in this case caused one man to kill 4 cops. Seems a pretty accurate title to me.

sadly,i'll have to disagree with you there.

marijuana doesn't kill anyone,and like it was stated before,is the LEAST likely drug known to man that would cause someone to kill another.

the majority of large-scale cannibis growers are known for using many other types of drugs;namely methamphetamines. THOSE,however,DO cause people to turn violent and do harm. now i'm not saying this person inparticular was on meth at the time of the raid,but it definitely wasn't "just" marijuana that caused him to turn on the Mounties and himself. i am not condoning marijuana in any way shape or form,but having used it myself,i know personally how it affects people mentally and phsyically. you can argue that it affects everyone differently,and it does,but not to the extreme situations of manslaughter.

-- to the first person to show me that someone who was high and ONLY high ended up killing someone,please PM me. i owe you 1 million dollars.