[sk8kid33]

I am doing a persuasive letter for school on why I don't think pros should be stripped their medals and be suspended for marijuana and THC (THC is in pot)

I want to use you guys as a source.

Tell me if you think riders should be penalized for smoking a little pot or not and tell me why.

 

[chicodude]

Aw crap, you've really done it now...........

 

[sk8kid33]

Aw crap, you've really done it now...........

I mean to have "done it now" its very contraversial thats why I am chosing this topic.

 

[HRDTLBRO]

While some pro's say they use it to calm themselves before a race, it certainly isn't a performance enhancing drug, and it won't make them go any faster, unless it's to the local mexican joint for some burrito's. I think it mainly stems from the fact that marijuana is still illegal by law, in the U.S. anyway. I'm sure an organization doesn't want to be recognized for letting it's athletes use an illegal drug. I'm sure the UCI has it's reasons, and hey, rules are rules. I don't have a problem with it, let the pro's do what they wish.

 

[sk8kid33]

While some pro's say they use it to calm themselves before a race, it certainly isn't a performance enhancing drug, and it won't make them go any faster, unless it's to the local mexican joint for some burrito's. I think it mainly stems from the fact that marijuana is still illegal by law, in the U.S. anyway. I'm sure an organization doesn't want to be recognized for letting it's athletes use an illegal drug. I'm sure the UCI has it's reasons, and hey, rules are rules. I don't have a problem with it, let the pro's do what they wish.

at the races in my area that are NORBA sanchioned events (sp?), beer is easy to come by suring the night with all the little party things, no I.D. is requiered for minors to ge beer and get wasted and that illegal but the beer gardens are still allowed. Whats the difference?? they are both illegal

 

[HRDTLBRO]

Your question had asked about professional cyclists and the use of THC/marijuana. Yes, the serving and consumption of alcohol under 21 is prohibited by law, but we are talking about the UCI and it's rules on THC. Do you think they care about random teenagers like ourselves getting hammered at a venue? Probably not. The police could probably care less, unless we get behind the wheel wasted or, in our drunken state, cause a riot. For the people distributing the alcohol, well, someone might need to change that. Don't get me wrong, I'm under 21 and won't pass up free beer. All in the name of riding hard and hard partying.

 

[Handlebarsfsr]

as has been said, about the only performance enhancment pot could give you is if theres a gigantic hershey bar at the bottom. other than that, its only illegal in sport because our wonderful government tells us its illegal and they have their reasons, they just cant seem to figure them out.

 

[stiksandstones]

do a search on del bosco and houseman...should give you all you need to know

 

[Fonzie18]

This should be interesting judging by the responses to the polls so far. Let's just say I don't have much respect for Del Bosco or G. Houseman for what they "did", nor any other people who smoke. But whatever, to each his own.

 

[Eigil]

I see it as recreational, and not performance-enhancing in any way. I don't really see the point of smoking pot, but I don't think wins should be taken away. They won from their hard work and dedication, and they shouldn't be penalized for kicking back like the rest of us. Then there's the part of me that says it's illegal, and them banning it is a way of setting a good example, blah blah blah.

 

[BMXman]

hey sk8kid33, I think you need to focus more on grammar instead of a poll that really belongs in the political debate forum...but that's JMO....D

 

[scurban]

some true weed addicts may argue that it's performance enhancing.

 

[seismic]

I think marijuana is giving our sport a bad reputation in the general public.....if it gives an advantage to the rider in any way I do not know, - but I do not see a reason to accept it in the sport...

 

[rockracing]

stay off the weed and stay in scholl.....

 

[sk8kid33]

sorry for the grammar errors I fixed what I hope is most of them

 

[llkoolkeg]

This should be interesting judging by the responses to the polls so far. Let's just say I don't have much respect for Del Bosco or G. Houseman for what they "did", nor any other people who smoke. But whatever, to each his own.

Do you think any of the smokers you listed individually or collectively clamor for your respect? Will they now experience great longing for the warm, fuzzy feelings of acceptance you withhold because they choose to consume cannabis?

You would have been better off posting only the first and third sentances.

 

[spookydave]

rules are rules....
if ya want to play in their sandbox then ya gotta play by their rules

 

[binary visions]

Do you think any of the smokers you listed individually or collectively clamor for your respect? Will they now experience great longing for the warm, fuzzy feelings of acceptance you withhold because they choose to consume cannabis?

While they may not "clamor" for the respect of this particular person, they are professional athletes and respect is a critical aspect of any sport that allows for a positive public image. And, doncha know, a positive public image equals more money and sponsers.

Personally, I couldn't care less whether these few people choose to smoke weed or not. To judge them myself would be hypocritical. No matter how you slice it, though, marijuana is illegal, and its presence in the sport is detrimental to the sport's public image. And that, my friend, holds everyone back.

These discussions shouldn't even be taking place. The only valid discussion is the one about whether marijuana should be legal at all - and ain't nobody gonna win that one. As long as the drug remains illegal, protests about the testing practices are invalid.

They're doing a drug test. Many of the drugs that show up on the test are performance enhancing. To exclude weed from this particular drug test, when every other drug test in the world includes it, is giving unspoken consent to use it.

Drugs are bad, mmkay?

 

[1soulrider]

They're doing a drug test. Many of the drugs that show up on the test are performance enhancing. To exclude weed from this particular drug test, when every other drug test in the world includes it, is giving unspoken consent to use it.

Actually they have to do different tests for different types of drugs. THC is tested for specifically. It has been brought up that they don't screen for THC in XC racing, so they is no validity to the argument that 'To exclude weed from this particular drug test, when every other drug test in the world includes it, is giving unspoken consent to use it.'
Just an observation.

 

[binary visions]

Actually they have to do different tests for different types of drugs. THC is tested for specifically. It has been brought up that they don't screen for THC in XC racing, so they is no validity to the argument that 'To exclude weed from this particular drug test, when every other drug test in the world includes it, is giving unspoken consent to use it.'
Just an observation.

My argument would be that they should screen for THC in XC racing. I wasn't aware that they didn't do that screen in XC - that's rather interesting.

The issue is P.R. here, not semantics or whether one test out of the millions given in the U.S. for jobs, sports, etc. doesn't include a screen for THC. People hear, "drug test." Most people wouldn't even know that cocaine is considered performance enhancing - thus, a "drug test" to most people is just that, a screening for all illegal drugs.

 

[dante]

news flash. the UCI has taken it upon themselves to strip medals from pros caught doing any of the following:

speeding
driving recklessly
drinking in public
swearing
lewd conduct
underage consumption of alcohol
any kinky sex act prohibited by local law (sorry Utah)
cheating on your tax returns
not slowing down for yellow lights
etc.

all are prohibited by law, and the UCI has taken it upon themselves to be the gestapo, so what's wrong with UCI suspending pros for speeding on the way to an event?

I still think that this all comes down to "perceived performance enhancing drugs". It may not make any difference, but if Fabian had smoked a big bowl right before his Worlds run and won, there'd be a whole lot of speculation and b!tching about how it helped him. What makes me :mumble: is that there are ways of determining if a person is currently high or has taken pot within a short period of time. Smoke a bowl before your run, definitely should not be allowed. Smoke a bowl 3 1/2 weeks before race weekend with some friends should definitely be allowed. Just my $.02, worth less now than ever...

 

[binary visions]

What makes me :mumble: is that there are ways of determining if a person is currently high or has taken pot within a short period of time.

Really?

Not doubting you, I'm just interested - got a link or anything? I wasn't aware of that.

 

[dhtahoe]

The NFL and MLB have proven that strict drug testing does not catch cheaters. That's why they have resulted to raiding athletes doctors. This thing is a farce. The drugs they are looking for are soooooo ahead of the testing it's a joke. Certain people have been protected for political reasons, and the one's getting caught are for drugs that quite frankly don't mean **** in the whole big picture. This comes at a time when strict drug testing is the LEAST of our sports problems right now. THIS IS MY GRIPE about the whole thing.

My answer to the poll is no it should not be allowed. I had to quit to go by the rules!!!

 

[dhtahoe]

A 21 year old girl in Reno was CONVICTED of killing a motorcycle cop because the labs had proven that she burned the morning of the accident.

BYW: When the cop hit her he was going over 100 mph, no lights, no siren, not even on a call. But hey you smoked weed 9 hours ago so it's your fault. I went to the trial that poor girl got ****ed.

 

[Zutroy]

A 21 year old girl in Reno was CONVICTED of killing a motorcycle cop because the labs had proven that she burned the morning of the accident.

BYW: When the cop hit her he was going over 100 mph, no lights, no siren, not even on a call. But hey you smoked weed 9 hours ago so it's your fault. I went to the trial that poor girl got ****ed.

That chick needs to get a better laywer.............

 

[binary visions]

A 21 year old girl in Reno was CONVICTED of killing a motorcycle cop because the labs had proven that she burned the morning of the accident.

BYW: When the cop hit her he was going over 100 mph, no lights, no siren, not even on a call. But hey you smoked weed 9 hours ago so it's your fault. I went to the trial that poor girl got ****ed.

There should be a contest for who can come up with the best story that doesn't relate one bit to the discussion on hand.




I ate a pickle last night. It was yummy, but a little salty, so I was forced to consume a carbonated beverage. The carbonated beverage reminded me of one time a few years ago that I smoked pot. Cheech and Chong was on TV and I started laughing, and spilled coke on my pants.

 

[Jeremy R]

Really?

Not doubting you, I'm just interested - got a link or anything? I wasn't aware of that.

They put them in a room with a delicious pizza that still has 20 minutes to cook. And they also have raw hotdog weenies and slices of cheese sitting on the counter.
If the suspect rolls up the weenie in a slice of cheese and snarfs them down because the pizza was taking too long to cook, the suspect is proven high.
99.4% effective.

 

[Acadian]

They put them in a room with a delicious pizza that still has 20 minutes to cook. And they also have raw hotdog weenies and slices of cheese sitting on the counter.
If the suspect rolls up the weenie in a slice of cheese and snarfs them down because the pizza was taking too long to cook, the suspect is proven high.
99.4% effective.

only from you....

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[Rabie]

hey sk8kid33, I think you need to focus more on grammar instead of a poll that really belongs in the political debate forum...but that's JMO....D

Why do people feel they must reply w/ those typical/tired lame ass remarks?
Enough w/ the negative reply! Post an answer or S.T.F.U.

 

[SuperJ]

i dont smoke reafer but when i smoke a huge blunt im almost always watching happy trees with bob ross and eating baked lays bbq patato chips. the part i dont understand is how he can make those pantings look so good in that short amount of time.

 

[OGRipper]

The horse lovers are coming after us for beating dead animals but...

I never ceases to amaze me how many racers complain about the lack of respect given them and how they're not taken seriously, and then turn around an argue that it should be perfectly ok to use an illegal substance.

I don't think pot should be illegal. But it is, so it should be on the list of banned substances. Period. It has nothing to do with whether pot is performance enhancing.

 

[Repack]

My view (for sports, work, etc...) is that if something you do in you personal time has no effect what so ever on you career/sport, than it should be left private. Now I know that work and THC is a different catagory. How long will it be until alcohol is tested for?

 

[llkoolkeg]

Civil disobedience is the only option, and sadly, one not readily available to many people whose jobs and freedom- though not negatively affected in and of themselves by recreational cannabis use- hang in the balance. Apparently, if you are not a paper doll cut in the image of your societal masters, you deserve only a limited existence. We are being tugged to the left and to the right by those who insist we live the way they want us to live...and he who sits on the fence is the first shot clean off it.

 

[dante]

The horse lovers are coming after us for beating dead animals but...

I never ceases to amaze me how many racers complain about the lack of respect given them and how they're not taken seriously, and then turn around an argue that it should be perfectly ok to use an illegal substance.

I don't think pot should be illegal. But it is, so it should be on the list of banned substances. Period. It has nothing to do with whether pot is performance enhancing.

totally agree on the whole dead horse thing, but why do you think that it's the UCIs job to enforce the law? should they set up speed traps with radar guns at the entrances to events to disqualify pros that are driving too fast? ban pros who made a mistake on their tax form? how about pros that consume alcohol in public/underage? lots of things are illegal but I don't see the UCI doing a damn thing about punishing pros for doing illegal things that aren't drug related...

 

[DH biker]

I am doing a persuasive letter for school on why I don't think pros should be stripped their medals and be suspended for marijuana and THC (THC is in pot)

I want to use you guys as a source.

Tell me if you think riders should be penalized for smoking a little pot or not and tell me why.

Your writing a letter for school about this... not a good idea, unless you want the teachers to thing you are some drugie kid and have them hate you.

 

[NotQuiteJdm]

sorry for the grammar errors I fixed what I hope is most of them

Sounds like you've had your fair share of the 2..

 

[Smelly]

totally agree on the whole dead horse thing, but why do you think that it's the UCIs job to enforce the law? should they set up speed traps with radar guns at the entrances to events to disqualify pros that are driving too fast? ban pros who made a mistake on their tax form? how about pros that consume alcohol in public/underage? lots of things are illegal but I don't see the UCI doing a damn thing about punishing pros for doing illegal things that aren't drug related...

because those don't have a physical effect on the rider. the only exception would be underage riders consuming alcohol. now i'm not well versed on other countries drinking laws, but the US has a higher age than many other nations that riders come from. in their home country, many of the riders are legal to drink (i believe. i'm not totally up to date on racers ages/country of origin).

look, it's the UCI's job to enforce THEIR rules, and one of their rules is that riders can't smoke cheeba. whether you like it or not, the UCI has rules against doing drugs of just about any sort. if it pisses you off that much, go start a petition against it. but as others have said, if the UCI allows riders to smoke pot, it'll be REALLY bad publicity.

I never ceases to amaze me how many racers complain about the lack of respect given them and how they're not taken seriously, and then turn around an argue that it should be perfectly ok to use an illegal substance.

very well said.

enough horsebeating.

 

[NateH]

You left out the option, "I don't support it, but hey everyone knows the rules."

 

[Tootrikky]

-Unless it can proved that THC has a perfromance enhancing effect, it's not the UCI's business.
-The argument that the UCI some how should has the right to dictate how racers live their lives outside of an acutal UCI event is stupid. What about racers from Amsterdam or Vancouver or ones with cancer or Glaucoma?
-Lastly yes Marijuana is illegal. Why do we accept this in "the Land of the Free" when the basis of it's legality comes from years of government propaganda and BS which is easily proven by studying just a fraction of this saga.

 

[FlipFantasia]

I haven't read the whole thread, so if it's been covered I apologize......I firmly believe everyone should be competing sober, whether booze or pot.....pot does not affect you after the buzz has worn off, a couple hours or so depending on amount smoked......they should not be disqualifying someone who maybe smoked the previous week....or hell, even the previous night, as long as they aren't high when they are competing.....no one says sh_t about the number of guys going out and getting hammered on a regular basis, pot is less harmful that alcohol, so really, what's the difference?