what do yall think shout it be legal or not. and none of this medical marijuana sh!t.
marijuana
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I think it should be.. and I don't even smoke it!
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i blame this on Damn True's George Bush shoot em up game....
sheesh wth?
haha talk about twilight zone i got transported against my will with this thread to the political forum.
maybe this is a sign...........
maybe this is a sign...........
can't blame the guy he posted this in the Lounge and it got moved here, hence my befuddled post's, not that there's anything unusual about that....
put the binger down.
really though, YES.
Once the gov't realizes that the masses will be easier to control while they are stoned, they will legalize it & probably hand it out.
Um, let's see, war on drugs. Failure, except for those special intrest groups supporting it. Time for the ol' USA to get a grip on reality. I don't think it should be available over the counter at the local corner market, but I think it should be decriminalized. Let's stop wasting $$ incarcerating pot smokers and go after the crimals that are clearly more of a threat.
Good reading right here:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/factbook.pdf
Good reading right here:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/factbook.pdf
I have to admit being quite fond of the old electric spinach. It's alright in my book.
Legalise it, sell it wherever you can get cigarettes and beer. Tax it and use the tax to do some good. It'd still be cheaper than it is off the street and imagine what it'd be like when you had the choice of loads of brands like it was fine wine...
'Perhalps Sir would like to sample the Californian Orange?'
'..duude...'
'Perhalps Sir would like to sample the Californian Orange?'
'..duude...'
you better be down with it crent... we ll be in amsterdam in about 3 and a half weeks and you ll be forced to smoke your own weight in AK47Originally posted by valve bouncer
I have to admit being quite fond of the old electric spinach. It's alright in my book.
It's safer than alcohol. Take my old boss fro example, He smoked everyday all day for 30 years straight. While not always the sharpest tool he was a funtioning member of society. Anyone who drinks all day everyday fro that long is not a member of society anymore......since they're dead
Legal but only on a grow it in your back yard basis. Not for sale by R. J. Reynolds.
Personally I don't see pot as being any worse than Alcohol. I do support decriminalization, but as far as regulating and taxing it such as beer and cigarettes, I think that is a long ways off.
Not really so - I had an aunt who ran a successful manufacturing business, was active in Connecticut and New Hampshire politics, and raised a family while fueled on martinis and nicotene.Originally posted by Lexx D
It's safer than alcohol. ... Anyone who drinks all day everyday fro that long is not a member of society anymore......since they're dead
She did die of throat cancer, though...
J
but when will they realize that this whole thing about cannabis being a gateway drug stems from the fact that when you go into a place to buy weed, the guy selling you the weed is trying to hauk other chemicals at ya. In all honesty alcohol is the gateway drug. You go to parties to drink, where theres also alot of pot, coc, and meth. The backwards ways of the war on drugs leaves me frightened and sad.
Though I am 100% convinced it contains a much "safer" drug than alcohol, I'm still not in favor of legalization. Should the people who smoke pot be treated as criminals? Heck no!
I agree that statistics can prove or disprove just about anything, but I also agree that most criminal behavior is drug-related.
Forget pot for a while and let's get rid of meth.
If you really want to put it into perspective, 17,000 people die each year due to drunk drivers. To me, this is still a much bigger threat than the terrorist threats which killed only 3000.
3000 deaths - big deal.
I agree that statistics can prove or disprove just about anything, but I also agree that most criminal behavior is drug-related.
Forget pot for a while and let's get rid of meth.
If you really want to put it into perspective, 17,000 people die each year due to drunk drivers. To me, this is still a much bigger threat than the terrorist threats which killed only 3000.
3000 deaths - big deal.
I don't think that it will get to the point where you can buy it at the corner store, but it would be nice to have some Hippy Cabbage sprouting from the window planter box.
I my slef just got busted by good ol' johny law the pesky pig for having and oz of the good ol' kind bud. when will the government learn that if they want to cut down on violence the should legalize it because ppl arent going to go out and kill some one if they are plazed
me too.
whats the big deal anyway
it's less addictive than caffine and you can supress a pot high!
sounds to me like it's safer than having a bunch of drunks.
my dad is part of the goverment and i told him after i got caught that i think marijuana should be legal and he like freaked out on me and we got into this big arrgument aobut it and his only point was that it is a gate way drug and thanks to all you monkys out there ( boostindoubles ) i used the fact that alchol is more a gate way drug then pot and he got mad and stormed out of the room!! hehehe!!!!
willyboy, people with narrow minds who hang on everything that the people upstairs say or declare scare me. its going to be the downfall of society. I wish people would stand up for themselves and question whats being put out by the government.
theres this site called freevibe run by the drug czar, check out what he has to say about marijuana and the environment:
Marijuana
The illegal growth and cultivation of marijuana has destroyed and contaminated thousands of acres of public lands in America. In fact, more than 2,500,000 marijuana plants have been found and eradicated on National Forest lands since 1997. The damage begins when marijuana farmers burn off native vegetation, destroying natural wildlife habitats. Some growers clear cultivation areas with chain saws and spread fertilizers and pesticides. The arsenic-based poisons kill small animals and rodents and in turn, the larger animals and birds that consume them, devastating the food chain and area water supplies.
Often, tons of trash and high concentrations of human waste are left behind by smugglers, who come to the U.S. to care for the crops. This impacts wildlife, vegetation and water quality along rivers and streams. It also detracts from natural, scenic qualities and can affect human and animal health from spread of bacteria and disease.
ok his points may seem valid. but seriously, what about clear cut logging? i cant imagine it being healthy for the environment. logging is even funded by the government.
also you have all these people hiking deep into the woods to grow pot. why? because its illegal. if it was legal, pot wouldnt be worth so much money making it less desirable to grow, and you could grow as much as you wanted in your back yard anyways, eliminating the stealth factor of hiking into back woods.
peace
theres this site called freevibe run by the drug czar, check out what he has to say about marijuana and the environment:
Marijuana
The illegal growth and cultivation of marijuana has destroyed and contaminated thousands of acres of public lands in America. In fact, more than 2,500,000 marijuana plants have been found and eradicated on National Forest lands since 1997. The damage begins when marijuana farmers burn off native vegetation, destroying natural wildlife habitats. Some growers clear cultivation areas with chain saws and spread fertilizers and pesticides. The arsenic-based poisons kill small animals and rodents and in turn, the larger animals and birds that consume them, devastating the food chain and area water supplies.
Often, tons of trash and high concentrations of human waste are left behind by smugglers, who come to the U.S. to care for the crops. This impacts wildlife, vegetation and water quality along rivers and streams. It also detracts from natural, scenic qualities and can affect human and animal health from spread of bacteria and disease.
ok his points may seem valid. but seriously, what about clear cut logging? i cant imagine it being healthy for the environment. logging is even funded by the government.
also you have all these people hiking deep into the woods to grow pot. why? because its illegal. if it was legal, pot wouldnt be worth so much money making it less desirable to grow, and you could grow as much as you wanted in your back yard anyways, eliminating the stealth factor of hiking into back woods.
peace
Wouldn't legalizing moon cabbage, basicly eliminate the need for people to do this?Originally posted by boostindoubles
theres this site called freevibe run by the drug czar, check out what he has to say about marijuana and the environment:
Marijuana
The illegal growth and cultivation of marijuana has destroyed and contaminated thousands of acres of public lands in America...
dude thats my point! its screwed up! they make all these points like gateway drug, smuggling, drug lords..and so on, but all these things are not results of the plant itself, but results of the fact that its illegal. its ridiculous sh*t! i am glad that someone else realizes this. thanks man.
peace
peace
but why?!
I don't get it. I usually go out on saturday get so drunk I act like a fuking pirate. If i don't go out I go fro an urban ride and go smoke a little and pass out. Tell me what's worse, me running around drunk at 4 AM fighting people and breaking everything in sight. Or riding my bike getting high and falling asleep before 2......."Yeah but pots illegal"
i say we start a smoking revolution and every body in the great USA go up to there police stations and spark up a fat ass blunt or pack a fat ass bowl and smoke that bong until they give in
IF it's a gateway drug, then the legality has nothing to do with it. In fact, IF it is a gateway, then legalizing it would be very bad.
wow, you're logic is fvcked. I know you're exaggerating to get your point across, but instead, you make a solid case for making ALL drugs illegal. You simply cannot use the worse case scenario of one situation to justify a less evil one of another.
If you actually get drunk, get into fights and drive drunk (logical assumption from your comments) then you need to be arrested immediately.
I'm noticing a trend here... seems many people who are huge advocates of legalizing it use illogical arguments. Put down the pipe and give your brain a break.
my arguement about pot being a gateway drug isnt the fact that it gets you high and after you smoke it you want to try other drugs. I'm sure thats true, but for a select few. The same would have to be said about alcohol, and tobacco.
My argument towards pots gateway status is that because its illegal, its a money maker, so people who sell drugs will sell marijuana. They also sell other chemicals, like crystal meth and cocaine. So when you go out seeking marijuana you inadvertinly(sp?) find yourself among lots of other drugs.
I dont see how thats an illogical argument, maybe you should try picking up the pipe.
And as for lexxD's argument, i'll reprase it. Take a room full of drunks, and a room full of stoners. The room of drunks will have rowdy ****s picking fights and hitting on drunk chicks, looking for a nice hit n run. You have people puking and passing out.
Your room of stoners consists of a a couple couches and people sitting around with their eyes half closed. Probably ordering some sort of delivery food.
tell me that doesnt hold some credibility?
I think the whole"gateway drug" argument is mostly just Reagan era propaganda. I know many people who smoke pot and have never moved to harder drugs, and I have known people who ruined thier lives on harder stuff that didn't care for pot.
While it may be true that once you have a connection to get pot from, it will be easier to track other stuff down also. But decriminalization and regulation such as they do with alcohol, would all but end that. I mean who goes to some ghetto apartment to score a fifth of Wild Turkey?
Personally I feel that the good of decriminalization/legalization outweighs the bad. You would have less crowded jails/prisons, police forces would be less burdened, if taken as far as the regulation of alcohol has gone, you could addincreased tax revenue and more jobs. And while people may go a little crazy with it at first, I don't see how the negatives effects could be any worse on society than those of alcohol.
While it may be true that once you have a connection to get pot from, it will be easier to track other stuff down also. But decriminalization and regulation such as they do with alcohol, would all but end that. I mean who goes to some ghetto apartment to score a fifth of Wild Turkey?
Personally I feel that the good of decriminalization/legalization outweighs the bad. You would have less crowded jails/prisons, police forces would be less burdened, if taken as far as the regulation of alcohol has gone, you could addincreased tax revenue and more jobs. And while people may go a little crazy with it at first, I don't see how the negatives effects could be any worse on society than those of alcohol.
Holy Jesus, what gall that the Republican-glorified Drug War proponents would dare to use harm to the environment as an excuse to be against something even if it were true...WHICH IT"S NOT.
Stealth growers use National Forest Service lands because they often have strict usage laws that keep hunters, etc. out of the woods during much if not all of the year. The more people walking pst the plants, the greater their opportunity for discovery. The entire first paragraph of "evidence" is pure bull$hit, as stealth farmers do no such things unless they want to get caught or have their crops discovered. They take great care to disturb NOTHING where they are growing and often take multiple routes to the grow location so as not to even create a trace of having passed through. They leave existing vegitation and habitat intact so that their crops blend in and do not appear out of place. Most covert patches appear completely normal to all except those familiar with the growth pattern of the intact cannabis plant.
The entire second paragraph is just as bad as the first. If you were growing something illegal that you didn't want discovered and stolen, would you leave trash all around it to draw attention to the area? Would you take a $hit on or near your plants and risk the diseases that result from using human fertilizer on a product you would ultimately ingest? Every covert farmer I have ever known used completely natural fertilizers and pesticides(worm castings, bat guano, fish emulsion, horse and cow manures, hot pepper or tobacco sprays, etc.). The worst thing any of them ever did was take a piss near the perimeter of the patch in order to scare of deer and other leaf-munchers with the smell of human presence.
What that dumb-a$$ed Drug Czar did was publish the cultivation techniques used by coca farmers in Columbia and other such areas for the ultimate production of cocaine. Reefer Madness lives on...
well, this is strictly anedoctal, but I would never have tried cocaine if I hadn't been smoking pot and hash... and I hadn't been drinking alcohol at that point. I think I was 17 at the time.
I'd probably smoke once in a while if it was legal, but I don't currently. For one thing, I've been looking for a stable job for three years now and could get an interview and drug test without notice.
I'd probably smoke once in a while if it was legal, but I don't currently. For one thing, I've been looking for a stable job for three years now and could get an interview and drug test without notice.