[willyboy8576]

i think the hole thing about weed being a "gate way drug" is complete and utter bull$hit i know that this has been said befor but i will say it again. the real gate way drug is alcohol. that is how i started smoking in the first place. and so there for i think that if marijuana is going to be illegal then i think that alcohol and tobacco should be as well. and another thing that i dont under stand is why weed is illegal but yet alcohol and tabacco and legal? if some one can give me one case of somebody OD"ing on pot i will shut up on this point. i have done alot of research on this and as fare as i can see no 1 has ever died of marijuana.

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by willyboy8576
i think the hole thing about weed being a "gate way drug" is complete and utter bull$hit i know that this has been said befor but i will say it again. the real gate way drug is alcohol. that is how i started smoking in the first place.

your comments are anedoctal, just as mine were in the post previous... and did you notice that I said I was smoking weed and trying coke *before* I was drinking alcohol?

Your opinion, just as mine, is not statistically significant, so you can't simply say that "gateway" is bogus, nor can you just declare what is or isn't a gateway.

 

[willyboy8576]

now can you but now you are being ANECDOTAL telling me that alcohol is not a gate whay drug because i can promise you that good % of the people that smoke weed started when they were drunk.

 

[Lexx D]

Originally posted by LordOpie




wow, you're logic is fvcked. I know you're exaggerating to get your point across, but instead, you make a solid case for making ALL drugs illegal. You simply cannot use the worse case scenario of one situation to justify a less evil one of another.

If you actually get drunk, get into fights and drive drunk (logical assumption from your comments) then you need to be arrested immediately.




I'm noticing a trend here... seems many people who are huge advocates of legalizing it use illogical arguments. Put down the pipe and give your brain a break.

 

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by LordOpie
Your opinion, just as mine, is not statistically significant, so you can't simply say that "gateway" is bogus, nor can you just declare what is or isn't a gateway.

Saying 90% of coke users tried weed first is no more statistically significant or indicative of causality than saying 90% of weed smokers drank alcohol first...or that 90% of alcohol drinkers smoked cigarettes first...or that 90% of cigarette smokers listened to rock music first...or that 90% of rock music fans viewed porn first... or that 90% of porn viewers directed naughty words towards their parents first. It is BOGUS, BUNK, BULL$HIT devoid of logic or merit.

Gateway drugs- what FOOL actually managed to foist that fat one on the American public first, I wonder.

 

[boostindoubles]

listen the fact that a drug is gateway or not isnt universal. Its changes for each person. I know people that have been getting drunk for a long time, but never touched pot. I also know people who are the other way around. It makes no difference. Any drug can be anything to anyone. The fact that people give drugs labels like that is ridiculous, and it just shows how desperate they are to get their point, valid or not, across.

I'll share that i started before anything else, smoking cigarettes. Then we got addicted and didnt get a buzz anymore so we moved onto pot, cause we smoked it like cig's but it got us high everytime. Then i drank as a i got older because it was the social thing to do. Now i have quit smoking cigs, quit drinking, and rarely smoke weed. I see nothing but negative things from alcohol and tobacco. Pot on the other had i find to be much safer, cleaner, and fulfilling. Granted as soon as someone starts to get high to escape their life, in effect numb something out, then pot falls into the catagory of a negative substance. But that falls for all things, from porn to glue.

Most all things that the government lists as why pot should be illegal are exaggerated and bull****. Or simply mis-informed. Hell for a fact, the only reason pot is being grown out in the back woods, is because its illegal. If it wasnt, then i would have it on my porch. So they say pot is bad because of this, even though they've created it

 

[willyboy8576]

listen the fact that a drug is gateway or not isnt universal. Its changes for each person. I know people that have been getting drunk for a long time, but never touched pot. I also know people who are the other way around. It makes no difference. Any drug can be anything to anyone. The fact that people give drugs labels like that is ridiculous, and it just shows how desperate they are to get their point, valid or not, across.

thank you boostindoubles that is my point just phrased better.

 

[boostindoubles]

Originally posted by LordOpie
I've never heard the (as we'll now call it) "accessibility gateway argument" before and that's a very valid point.

thanks

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by willyboy8576
now can you but now you are being ANECDOTAL telling me that alcohol is not a gate whay drug because i can promise you that good % of the people that smoke weed started when they were drunk.

1. Do you know what anecdotal means?
B. I never said what is or is not a gateway.
#. Don't promise me anything, including your undying love. Just post links to quality info.





The user gateway argument MIGHT be valid, I've just never seen the research... if it was ever actually done.

 

[willyboy8576]

1. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis
b. but u did say that alcohol isnt a gateway drug
# that is the most hipacriticaly thing i have ever heard

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by willyboy8576
1. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis
b. but u did say that alcohol isnt a gateway drug
# that is the most hipacriticaly thing i have ever heard

1. Correct, but do you understand it?
B. No, I did not say it was or was not, you'll have to quote me so I know what I said that you believe is incorrect.
#. Do you mean hypocrital or condescending?

EDIT: Don't leave the political forum just cuz I'm an @ss... others have, but I think you can learn something

 

[willyboy8576]

yes i understand what it means im not that ignerent

you didnt say what is or isnt a gateway drug but the way you worden some of your statmenst make it seem that u think that pot is more then alcohol

i said what i meant and i meant what i said

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by willyboy8576
yes i understand what it means im not that ignerent

Anyone else want to run with this?

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by willyboy8576
...your statmenst make it seem that u think that pot is more then alcohol

can you elaborate? I'm not sure what ya mean by... pot > alcohol

Originally posted by Silver
Anyone else want to run with this?

Oh be nice

EDIT: I didn't learn jack about language or communication until I got to college when a professor pulled me aside and told me I was a complete idiot. With her help, I became just an idiot. So... the guy's 15yo, his skills will improve.

 

[willyboy8576]

ok you have blown this way out of perportion and if you want to talk **** on me im out peace

and this is what i mean by tlakin ****

the guy's 15yo, his skills will improve.

 

[Lexx D]

Originally posted by LordOpie
well, this is strictly anedoctal, but I would never have tried cocaine if I hadn't been smoking pot and hash... and I hadn't been drinking alcohol at that point. I think I was 17 at the time.

I'd probably smoke once in a while if it was legal, but I don't currently. For one thing, I've been looking for a stable job for three years now and could get an interview and drug test without notice.

You wer 17 and it's obvious that you would have tried most anything at the time. I'm not trying to say go smoke it's good. All I'm saying is when you directly compare it to a legal substance like alcohol, it's not as harmful. When it comes to alcohol I've seen families torn apart, children abused, and upstanding people ruin themselves. Maybe it's me but I've never seen these things happen from pot. And if they have it's on a much smaller scale.

 

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by llkoolkeg


Gateway drugs- what FOOL actually managed to foist that fat one on the American public first, I wonder.

No doubt ll....to me this arguement is the same as saying carrots cause cancer. After all 99.9% of cancer sufferers have eaten carrots therefore carrots cause cancer. It's an inescapable conclusion.
P.S- 3 weeks and counting to Amsterdam.........yyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. Grey Mist baby.....oooooooohhhhhhhhhnh

 

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by valve bouncer

P.S- 3 weeks and counting to Amsterdam.........yyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. Grey Mist baby.....oooooooohhhhhhhhhnh

You know Amsterdam is gonna crack down on the drugs soon.

 

[valve bouncer]

Originally posted by Tenchiro
You know Amsterdam is gonna crack down on the drugs soon.

As long as it's not within the next 3 weeks I don't give a rat's arse. BTW, you're the second person to tell me that today. I suppose you tell kids Santa's not real as well.:angry:

 

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
As long as it's not within the next 3 weeks I don't give a rat's arse. BTW, you're the second person to tell me that today. I suppose you tell kids Santa's not real as well.:angry:

I love watching kids cry when I show them a single blood stained black mitten. :devil:

Amsterdam cracks down

 

[boostindoubles]

"but I would never have tried cocaine if I hadn't been smoking pot and hash... and I hadn't been drinking alcohol at that point. I think I was 17 at the time." --lordopie


so the pot made you do it huh? that bastard. or was it the hash? i'll make sure i burn that hash real good to get even for ya


but seriously, i would have never tried pot if i hadnt been smoking cigarettes........

hahahaha........come on dude get real. I've never tried cocaine and i've been smoking pot for 5 years. Yea, i've seen it, and been offered it. but its not because i was smoking pot. its because the party i was at people were doing it. But i know that if i tried it, i would have a potential addiction to worry about so i stay away from it. Same reason i quit drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes. I dont want to be addicted to it. I dont smoke pot very often anymore, but i know that when i do i can put it down and move on.

 

[HippieKai]

DAMN IT!!!
i keep thinking this is the buy/sell forum!:angry:

 

[willyboy8576]

ok the fact that people say that marijuana is a gate way drug is very anecdotal as this thread has proven. im not saying that it is not but i am saying that if you want to catergorize pot as one then i think that you should also include alcohol, tobacco, parties, concerts, any high school or collage, and many other things. i think that is just silly to only call marijuana a gate way drug.

 

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by valve bouncer
No doubt ll....to me this arguement is the same as saying carrots cause cancer. After all 99.9% of cancer sufferers have eaten carrots therefore carrots cause cancer. It's an inescapable conclusion.
P.S- 3 weeks and counting to Amsterdam.........yyyyyyeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. Grey Mist baby.....oooooooohhhhhhhhhnh

Heeheehee. No doubt. All the love of carrots has done to me so far is maintain my 20/15 vision in both eyes at age 34, despite the fact everyone else in my family has worn glasses since adolescence.

I haven't enjoyed the Grey Mist in 3 years now. Shall I provide you with a roll of Saran wrap and a PO box?

I wish I was going. All that banning of "high THC" weed crap will blow over. There is just far too much money to be had from ganja tourists to ignore. It's not like stoners don't buy food, drink beer, sleep in rooms, use public transportation or patronize hookers and trinket shops.

The City of Orange would turn into a ghost town and their economy would suffer mightily if they passed such a provision. Who the hell is gonna travel halfway around the world for schwag, wooden shoes, cheese and tulip bulbs?

 

[Repack]

My thoughts on gateway:
Its just BS propaganda. Their logic is that the % of cokeheads and H adicts who have smoked weed is higher than the % of the general population who have toked. What do you expect? If your personality is that you like putting chemicals in your body, you'll try anything. I for one have no desire to snort a line or stick needles in my arm, but I like pot. Its reverse logic. On the news the other night, the results of an ADD and childhood TV watching study was reversed. They said that children under 2 were 10% more likely to develop ADD by age 7 if they watch more than something like 2 hrs of TV per day. As someone with ADD, my first response was what a crock of s*! If you have ADD, all you want to do is watch TV. Channel surfing is just about the unltimate wat to express attention deficit.

The national forest thing:
I also heard that weed farmers like to mark their crops with large red X's making them easier to find and frequectly errect signs in the woods so they don't get lost. In general, they do everything possible to attract attention to where they are growning.



Side note: How many people have been let of by a cop for a weed violation (either outright posession or being stoned with someone who had the bag)? I know I have. You don't get that kind of leniency if you get caught with coke or H.

 

[Tenchiro]

Originally posted by Repack
Side note: How many people have been let of by a cop for a weed violation (either outright posession or being stoned with someone who had the bag)? I know I have. You don't get that kind of leniency if you get caught with coke or H.

I know when I was growing up, it happened a few times. But that was in Eugene, OR so I don't think it is indicative of the rest of the country.

 

[Repack]

Originally posted by LordOpie


If you actually get drunk, get into fights and drive drunk (logical assumption from your comments) then you need to be arrested immediately.




I'm noticing a trend here... seems many people who are huge advocates of legalizing it use illogical arguments. Put down the pipe and give your brain a break.

How can you assume that just b/c someone gets s*faced at a bar that they are driving themselves home? THAT is ilogical reasoning.

 

[boostindoubles]

Originally posted by Repack
Side note: How many people have been let of by a cop for a weed violation (either outright posession or being stoned with someone who had the bag)? I know I have. You don't get that kind of leniency if you get caught with coke or H.

i also have been let off before, as well as not let off. I was let off by a state police officer who felt that the laws were unjust. I was not let off by campus security who are trigger happy to write anyone up for anything. Its made my life hell.


tenchiro~ yea i dont think eugene is similiar to many other towns in the country as far as the herb goes...

maybe the emerald traingle is the only place more slack.
peace

 

[llkoolkeg]

Originally posted by Repack
Side note: How many people have been let of by a cop for a weed violation (either outright posession or being stoned with someone who had the bag)? I know I have. You don't get that kind of leniency if you get caught with coke or H.

I have been let off twice and busted once.

1) In High School, I finished a big bong hit of Jamaican Lamb's Bread(that my buddy brought back on the cruise ship) in the back seat of my buddy's Olds and looked over to see a cop is in his car smirking at me. He pulled us over, yelled at us, seized our weed and bong and let us go.

2) In college, got surrounded with friends at a rocky overlook by cops who marched us back to the chief's office. He lectured us in a humerous fashion, seized our Skunk #1 and pipes and only wrote me a ticket for skirting the park entrance fee(which I did).

3) In college, got busted with my 10MM Glock and cannisters of Nepalese Hash and Shiva Skunk becuase my fishing buddy left an open Beast Ice on his center console(the dumbfock), thereby prompting a search of the car. Since it was my buddy's car, he got slammed to the ground into a puddle of poured out beer, but I admitted that the goods were mine and got arrested afterwards. I ended up with but a year of probation(since I was such a promising student with a spotless record) and even got my Glock back after the year was up.

I have since learned my lesson and no longer possess the KB...but if someone passes it to me, I'm all on it.

 

[boostindoubles]

lambs bread....shiva skunk....

 

[Repack]

I have been let off twice, never charged.
The first was at my Sr. Prom. This kid had a pocket sized water pipe that we were hitting outside of the tent that the prom was in. The cops were down wind. Oops. One of them just started yelling , "You don't want to f* this night up! Don't be stupid!" and that was about it.

The other was a lot more interesting. I went to the Jagermeister Music Tour stop at Avalon in Boston. I was with 2 friends and 1 idiot. We let the idiot drive b/c he has a big Cadi. He doesn't drive fast, so were weren't worried about getting hurt if he crashed it. Well after the show we get blazed in his car. He tells us about this company he used to work for, and how they always have beer in it and that he still has keys. This is late on a Sunday night, so the rest of us were like "whatever" and off we went. We all kind of knew he was full of s*, but didn't care.
We get there, get to the front door, and he sees a card swipe. "Oh, thats new!" Me: "Is this a good idea?" Then he opens the door with his keys and all these lights on the pad start flashing. Oh well. The 3 non-idiots (me being one of them) realized that we would not get into trouble. The idiot had told us it was OK, was the only one driving, and the only one with anything on him. After we were inside, the other 3 started toking in the conference room. I was too wasted to partake. We were on the second floor and I was just wlking around waiting for the cops to show up. I knew they would, and they did. Just as we are leaving 2 cruisers pull up. When we see the cops walk around the back of the building, we walk out. The idiot had parked behind a dumpster in a side lot and was blocked in by the cruiser. We got pulled over just as we started to pull out. One cop questioned us while the other went inside. The building is a government subcontracter that does work on helicopter avionics. Did I mention the guy is an idiot? The first thing the cops says is "Your eyes look pretty red." Idiot: "Oh, I better put in some eye drops." I was pretty sober by this point and couldn't believe how stupid this guy was. When the second cop comes back, he says "Smeels like you guys burnded something in there.' The idiot said we had cooked a microwave pizze (the truth). The cops answer was "Well you burned it pretty good." The idiot was given a field sobriety test while the other cop searched the car and us b/c of the nature of the work the company did. While the idiot was getting the drunk test the other cop starts asking us if we are OK to drive incase the idiot fails. One of my friends had a restricted license, so he was out. The other just said he was wasted. I said that I was OK by my standards, but that I did not know how my standards compared to his (the cops). He just laughed and said "Your fine". Well, the idiot was cleared to drive home, but the cop said "Your pretty borderline so we'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but a trooper might not be so lenient." So we all got off. Sorry this was so long. It was a very interesting experience. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that the idiot has three kids.

 

[Lexx D]

Originally posted by Repack
How can you assume that just b/c someone gets s*faced at a bar that they are driving themselves home? THAT is ilogical reasoning.

Thanks bro, It is ilogical since the only reason I'm willing to get that drunk is because my friend lives 100ft from the bar and i just walk over and pass out at his place