Maybe Wiggle will buy them out and force them to be less French.What will Sam Hill be running if Magic disappear?
Mavic in receivership
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While I love dt hubs and some rims now let’s not forget when dt tried the proprietary wheel, Tricom or something like that. To me it was dt wanting to be mavic, at the time. It was short lived fortunately it had like three or four spoke lengths per wheel.
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For most of my biking life, I was never shopping for rims, I was just buying a Mavic (like Thomson for stems and Michelin for DH tires in the early 00's). I've had 221 (OEM), 521/721, 819 and 823. When I killed a 819 in 2014, went with NoTubes and never looked back.
I still have a front 819/DT240 on my Voodoo hardtail that is seeing a lot of Pokémon hunting action these days.
I still have a front 819/DT240 on my Voodoo hardtail that is seeing a lot of Pokémon hunting action these days.
Lol.
I killed a few 729s, nothing special. 823 was the only good DH rim, still heavy though. The FR570 wipes the floor with both the 729 and 721, except it weighs the same as a 26" 721 in 27.5" size. Strong and light is impressive, strong and heavy is what anyone should be able to do.
Mavic is old news. Yeah I used them, mild respect for what they did, but they were just the best of an average bunch. Once DT ironed out issues they made rims strong and light, easily the best current alloy option and have been for the last 5+ years.
Talking about current and relevant times, crazy right?
I'll keep my crackpipe and you can keep living in 2008.
What part of 'I haven't bought anything from mavic in 10 years just like everyone else' did you miss exactly 
Sorry about your literacy guy riding 6 year old dampers.
From my very first post in this thread it was pretty clear that i was talking about a company that used to make things better and then quit doing that.
Sorry about your literacy guy riding 6 year old dampers.
From my very first post in this thread it was pretty clear that i was talking about a company that used to make things better and then quit doing that.
The D321 was about the only legit performance dh rim 20 years ago. Then their D3.1 UST rims were cutting edge 17 years ago...
And while the world kept iterating and improving, Mavic focused on making yellow shoes and clothes, and their wheels stayed stagnant with crappy hubs, wacky spokes, and what rapidly became heavy and narrow rims due to being over-invested Into the UST standard.
My tears for Mavic were shed back around 2010 with those grey SX wheels being so far off back compared to any good hub laced to a DT EX500 rim.
And while the world kept iterating and improving, Mavic focused on making yellow shoes and clothes, and their wheels stayed stagnant with crappy hubs, wacky spokes, and what rapidly became heavy and narrow rims due to being over-invested Into the UST standard.
My tears for Mavic were shed back around 2010 with those grey SX wheels being so far off back compared to any good hub laced to a DT EX500 rim.
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That video was filmed just over 2 hours from my house.
We are so fucked.
Not even waxing poetic about rims will save us. But I'm still going to do it anyway because I'm drinking a lot these days.
We are so fucked.
Not even waxing poetic about rims will save us. But I'm still going to do it anyway because I'm drinking a lot these days.
Mavic did have a cool product for mechanics, it was a Bottom Bracket that bolted together from each side, which worked great if the customer’s BB shell/threads were destroyed for some reason. I only saw one in the real world, though, but it made a very happy yo eddy customer who forced the wrong sides of his BB into the shell.
on BOTH sides.
he wasn’t a quitter.
I *think* this was it, but I was a NOOB, I didn’t do the install.
on BOTH sides.
he wasn’t a quitter.
I *think* this was it, but I was a NOOB, I didn’t do the install.
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I wish more companies would have jumped on the UST standard. These were the easiest tubeless tires to set up. No faffing with tape, you can replace a spoke w/o having to take tire and tape off. And if you account for the tape and all the shit people stuff into their tires right now to make them work, not burp, etc. a full UST setup is actually lighter.
I'm sorta sad because at some point I thought Mavic would release a hub with a central flange to help counter the negative effects of flanges being spaced further apart with superduperboost.
Somebody has to do it and I thought it would have been them.
Somebody has to do it and I thought it would have been them.
Maybe they didn't because it is patented: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040222692A1/en
And it has been done before:
How many flanges are on your hub? – Bicycle Design
bicycledesign.net
Clark Kent ~ Pineapple Front Hub
Well it rained today so it meant one good thing, I could recover from yesterdays hangover :wink: It also meant one other very good thing…. I bought this front hub at the start of this year but with one thing and another I have never got round to building it First stumbling block was...
www.retrobike.co.uk
Well there you go, thank you sir.Maybe they didn't because it is patented: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040222692A1/en
And it has been done before:
How many flanges are on your hub? – Bicycle Design
Clark Kent ~ Pineapple Front Hub
Well it rained today so it meant one good thing, I could recover from yesterdays hangover :wink: It also meant one other very good thing…. I bought this front hub at the start of this year but with one thing and another I have never got round to building it First stumbling block was...
One of the few wheels that I couldn't quickly destroy when I was still racing DH. Fucking beast of a wheel, but they just never moved forward with sizes. I'd still be riding them if they had.
Pretty lame that a company with so much history in cycling just gets left holding the bag like this, granted they’ve produced some questionable shit over the years but any company that’s been around any amount of time has. They also had a geologic time scale for change, but on the other hand; developed a good tubeless standard but refused to compromise on the design (which could be seen as either good or bad) which pretty much led to them continuing to play second fiddle in fannypack land. Can’t help but think if they’d made a few concessions on UST they’d probably be at the top of the game from royalties alone.
Our world of corporate buyouts and hedge funds, it’s all about the bottom line. If a company can’t turn a profit year over year they’re put out the pasture. Seems Michelin would be a good fit as far as parent companies go but I doubt they’d ever do it. Kind of a guaranteed loss leader. They may go the way of Schwinn and become just another Wal-Mart brand.
Our world of corporate buyouts and hedge funds, it’s all about the bottom line. If a company can’t turn a profit year over year they’re put out the pasture. Seems Michelin would be a good fit as far as parent companies go but I doubt they’d ever do it. Kind of a guaranteed loss leader. They may go the way of Schwinn and become just another Wal-Mart brand.
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guys, they aren't going out of business. they're catching up with the industry they helped define.
I bet they negotiate out of a ton of debt, maybe change leadership. They have the carbon thing dialed on their road rims.
Mavic is a brand that people will pay a premium price for, like ZIPP or Campy.
I bet they negotiate out of a ton of debt, maybe change leadership. They have the carbon thing dialed on their road rims.
Mavic is a brand that people will pay a premium price for, like ZIPP or Campy.
yea I know they aren’t going out of business but being in receivership leaves them hanging in the wind, the first company that comes along with money will become their new corporate overlords. Also weird that AMER divested themselves only the first place, guess they saw ENVE as their cash cow for that category. Easier to keep a lid on than a bunch of Frenchies?
Laying people off in France is HELLA expensive to the point of being essentially impossible.
My guess is that Amer/Salomon letting Mavic go to receivership is just them gaining a government sanctioned (ie way less expensive) way to trim the HR department.
My guess is that Amer/Salomon letting Mavic go to receivership is just them gaining a government sanctioned (ie way less expensive) way to trim the HR department.
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It's worked out well for mongoose. I can get them in any number of fine retail establishments with nationwide coverage now.
My thoughts exactly. Someone will buy them up while the name still has value and start pushing a new line of generic catalog products with the Mavic name stenciled on. @marshalolson how would it work when a company is totally insolvent and on the verge of bankruptcy as far as laying people off?
Nextie should buy the name.
Onward with internet speculation!
I actually worked for Salomon when they acquired Mavic (2003). At the time Salomon was owned by Adidas. Adidas sold Salomon, along with Mavic as Salomon’s subsidiary, to Amer (2005).
Interesting that Mavic stopped innovating around this time too. To my knowledge, Mavic has been a legal subsidiary of Salomon ever since. While Mavic *may* be insolvent, neither Salomon nor Amer are.
My guess is legal proceedings (this receivership process) will occur to determine if Salomon can “sell” Mavic to Amer for essentially nothing (simply assuming existing debt), with a corresponding restructure (laying off lots of people), by making the argument that Salomon assuming the debts of Mavic would put undue risk on Salomon, jeopardizing both companies, and that selling the Mavic brand on the scrap heap would cost way more French jobs than the restructuring plans.
My personal read is this is opportunistic (hammering through restructure plans that had long been in place) rather than reactionary.
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You mean like the Pineapple Bob hub?
But but, internet speculation is my favorite pastime! In all seriousness though I was just going off the part of the op’s article that said AMER already sold off Mavic to “M sports” a company that doesn’t seem to even exist.
You are right. Stinks a heck of a lot.
The whole Regent / M-sports thing is crazy.
Another article covering similar ground, that really shows how messy this thing is:
cyclingtips.com
Like literally wtf.
The whole Regent / M-sports thing is crazy.
Another article covering similar ground, that really shows how messy this thing is:
Mavic is in receivership, but who owns them? Who knows
Venerable French wheel brand Mavic has just been placed in receivership, according to an AFP report. That means that the business is probably in control
cyclingtips.com
Like literally wtf.
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Poopdecking much?
I’m a really important busy guy, I don’t have time to read every thread!
It speaks volumes that Mavic made their downhill wheels yellow. A color that means a lot on road bikes and absofuckinglutely nothing for downhill.
Interesting that Regent supposedly owns Diamondback/ Redline. Hopefully they aren’t facing the same fate. I’m not rushing out to buy anything from either of them but people losing jobs so lizards can buy bigger yachts isn’t that sweet imo.
www.regentlp.com
Portfolio — Regent
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Are there negative effects? Or is that just sarcasm I missed before I've had morning coffee?
The worst news in that story is that Colnago was sold to an investment group in Aubu Dabi
vulture capitalism is so depressing.
I can soon get mavic in any number of fine retail establishments with nationwide coverage now.
The spokes would be under slightly more strain with axial loads, I'd imagine a rigger or an E engineer would be able to work out some numbers, doubt it would be much.
When searching for Superboost Plus hubs I came across Trailmech, it's completely unrelated but there is some pretty nice info on different types of hub engagement.
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