[luelling]

Personally I'm a member of the Libertarian party...its kinda a middle finger to the establishment. Really though....Republicans aren't doing that good and the democrats can't tell their ass from their head. Is there another party that is going to be able to gain steam off of the current party problems?? We have seen a change up in history, but for most of the last 100 years its been democrats and republicans as the main parties. Thoughts? Anyone a member of the wigs? j/k

 

[BurlyShirley]

Personally I'm a member of the Libertarian party...its kinda a middle finger to the establishment. Really though....Republicans aren't doing that good and the democrats can't tell their ass from their head. Is there another party that is going to be able to gain steam off of the current party problems?? We have seen a change up in history, but for most of the last 100 years its been democrats and republicans as the main parties. Thoughts? Anyone a member of the wigs? j/k

No.

And by "No" I mean that no one remembers the whigs because it was 120 years ago at least and no one is really alive that old, therefore no one can remember that.

Also by "No" I meant that there isnt another party thats going to be able to gain steam. Not in the forseeable future anyway.

Also by "No" I meant I have no original thoughts on this topic.

 

[luelling]

No.

And by "No" I mean that no one remembers the whigs because it was 120 years ago at least and no one is really alive that old, therefore no one can remember that.

Also by "No" I meant that there isnt another party thats going to be able to gain steam. Not in the forseeable future anyway.

Also by "No" I meant I have no original thoughts on this topic.

Geez...simmer down. I know it would be tough, but it seems like I hear more and more people talking about the hope that another party will step up with some balls and take the reigns. Personally I don't vote on party lines...I vote for who i think will do the best job. If Bill Clinton could run again I would probably vote for him, but on the split side if another contender that was strong like Reagan showed up I would vote republican.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Geez...simmer down. I know it would be tough, but it seems like I hear more and more people talking about the hope that another party will step up with some balls and take the reigns. Personally I don't vote on party lines...I vote for who i think will do the best job. If Bill Clinton could run again I would probably vote for him, but on the split side if another contender that was strong like Reagan showed up I would vote republican.

Dont need simmerin'

But you realize by what you say, that you're the definition of the problem. You only vote for what's best of what's viable. I just dont vote Out of sheer laziness of course.

Problem is, it takes money to make people vote for you. Not just a strong platform. Businesses that support the main parties do so because its good for big business. I cant imagine a scenario in which a 3rd party would be good for business, and hence, there will never be the financing needed for a viable candidate.

 

[blue]

The current two-party monopoly will never change, unless great force is exerted upon this country from internal or external sources.

 

[luelling]

Dont need simmerin'

But you realize by what you say, that you're the definition of the problem. You only vote for what's best of what's viable. I just dont vote Out of sheer laziness of course.

Problem is, it takes money to make people vote for you. Not just a strong platform. Businesses that support the main parties do so because its good for big business. I cant imagine a scenario in which a 3rd party would be good for business, and hence, there will never be the financing needed for a viable candidate.

I must accept what you say....you raise a huge point I hadn't thought about. When someone like John Kerry comes along from the Hershey family and basically has endless resources he can do what he wants (even though he didn't win). I did just read recently that Bush raised 28 million for the republican party.

Part of the reason I'm a member of the Libertarian party is because they are the underdogs and I like their ideals. I do give a little bit of money to them...but my $25 a year doesn't compare when BP or Texaco gives 20 million to another party. You maybe right that the corporations have to much of a vested interest and will keep this thing afloat despite the public.

 

[Changleen]

The fact is your party system has been successfully been bought and owned by big business. Virtually everthing your government does is for their benefit, with the occasional bone thrown to the public.

 

[LordOpie]

The current two-party monopoly will never change, unless great force is exerted upon this country from internal or external sources.

Well, as long as it's internal or external, that's ok. That other force really creeps me out.

 

[LordOpie]

The fact is your party system has been successfully been bought and owned by big business. Virtually everthing your government does is for their benefit, with the occasional bone thrown to the public.

Big business makes me miss the Mafia.

 

[BurlyShirley]

As long as there is mountain biking, beer, dogs and land to enjoy them on, I could really give a ****. I dont even know why I post in here. I have no passion for any of this any more.

 

[LordOpie]

As long as there is mountain biking, beer, dogs and land to enjoy them on, I could really give a ****. I dont even know why I post in here. I have no passion for any of this any more.

The US is like Lance racing the TdF... there's no competition. The US needs to retire from world politics and let a few others compete for top dog.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

The fact is your party system has been successfully been bought and owned by big business. Virtually everthing your government does is for their benefit, with the occasional bone thrown to the public.

funny thing is, that occasional bone thrown to the public, happen to make the US numero uno country in world for population of soviet russia!!!!! (i mean, not numero uno really, but you get the point).

not saying that that bone is enough, just stating the system is not so bad by real-world standards.

 

[bjanga]

Anarchy!

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

The US is like Lance racing the TdF... there's no competition. The US needs to retire from world politics and let a few others compete for top dog.

oh yeah, you mean like in athens 2004 and the argentineans semi-proleague basketball players??

 

[skatetokil]

I waver between apathy and outrage, but I have been thinking that a new party might just be the trick for getting this country out of its rut.

I think there is a silent majority in this country that is socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and wants to see the most pressing problems of our country addressed in a serious way. The bankrupt entitlement system, the decaying public schools, and the total lunacy of out last 50 years of foreign policy need to be dealt with, and soon.

Social issues are really secondary to these matters of national survival, but the current crop of politicians dont have any answers for the true issues so they distract us with their windbaggery.

 

[skatetokil]

Also, I too dabble with libertarianism, but having seen some of the biggest organizations in the party from the inside, there is little hope for them without a serious political facelift and some new strategizing. The Institute for Humane Studies and the Cato Institute both do excellent work (and are better recipients for your donations than the party itself), but their audiences are very limited and their messages are out of sync with the way most people think about government.

Statism is so deeply ingrained that we have a hard time thinking in terms that dont involve extensive central planning and state management of every problem.

As a country, we learn about corruption, are duly outraged, and do little more than punish a scapegoat before returning to business as usual. We all recognize that politicians are scumbags, but we let them and the lawyers run the place.

I think we all still secretly fear that things will go to **** if government disengages from our lives even though we are pummelled with evidence that it is government that is causing our problems (war and exploitation being impossible without the aparatus of state).

 

[Changleen]

As long as there is mountain biking, beer, dogs and land to enjoy them on, I could really give a ****. I dont even know why I post in here. I have no passion for any of this any more.

So can we call you Emo kid from now on then?

 

[valve bouncer]

So can we call you Emo kid from now on then?

These Gen Y kids are all pussies. Not like back in the day, eh mate?

 

[BurlyShirley]

So can we call you Emo kid from now on then?

I dont wear tight pants, have stupid hair or emotions, so Im not sure it'd fit.

 

[ummbikes]

As long as there is mountain biking, beer, dogs and land to enjoy them on, I could really give a ****. I dont even know why I post in here. I have no passion for any of this any more.

I could care less anymore too.

 

[RenegadeRick]

I could care less anymore too.

Yep. You and the rest of America

:mumble:

 

[ummbikes]

Yep. You and the rest of America

:mumble:

I should say I don't care about arguing on Ridemonkey about stuff any more. I'm still active in my information gathering and despising Bush.

 

[BuddhaRoadkill]

The fact is your party system has been successfully been bought and owned by big business. Virtually everthing your government does is for their benefit, with the occasional bone thrown to the public.

Is there a gub'ment somewhere in history that didn't operate this way?