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Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by LordOpie, Feb 14, 2008.
Interesting that McCain is now saying that torture is okay.
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Gotta start kissing up to the wackos...
I believe their were some other provisions in the bill he objected to, something about the Army Field Manual or such?
Still you would have thought the torture would have trumped that...
I'm just stirring the pot
Hey stir away. That's what PaWN is for eh?
He knows firsthand what torture can and cant do...there must be more to the story. I say we simply take a blowtorch to peoples balls. That failing, bring out the red hot poker. I mean, why **** around?
If we can't water board em, how would we get info? Buy them a latte?
With all the crap they put in bills you can't really blame him. It would be more damning if he voted for a bill that had language to OK'd torture.
it's important for us to have a man with a strong military background... some who can perfect our current strategies and refine our field practices... gosh darn it, someone who can build character in our soldiers.
like water boarding is 'torture'...
if waterboarding is indeed controlled drowing, how can this be a legitimate form of 'rough interrogation', yet mock executions not?
they're both used to convince someone they're going to die (even if the handlers say before boarding you'll not die, your instincts don't betray you).
so that's where i am for now.
"stuck in the middle with you..."
yup, the legislation was waterboarded itself. McCain's reasoning sounded reasonable to me. For one thing, waterboarding is already illegal.
So either torture works or it doesn't. If, according to the frothers, it's such an effective technique, why don't they go the whole hog, you know alligator clips on the yam bag connected to hand cranked generators etc. Surely that would work much better? After all, the end justifies the means right?
The arguement that it's not really torture sounds to me like the idea that you can get a little bit raped, completely f*cking retarded.
Hmmm. I've been waterboarded. Did it suck? Yeah. Do I think it was torture? Nope. But there's an issue of context--COULD you torture someone with waterboarding? Easily. Could it be part of a larger, torturous experience? Hell yes.
But there's no black-and-white line where the definition of torture is reached.
You know, when the Spanish Inquisition used it and so did the Khmer Rouge, I think the answer is pretty clear...
that it's ok to torture brown people?
I told you I was going to find where you put those oreos.
So honestly though......what was the context of that? Training?
Just a normal Saturday night at Mike's Leather and Latex Lounge...
uh, did you miss the administration's announcement this week that they wouldn't rule out the use of waterboarding? ie, even after everyone and their mom seemingly came to the conclusion that waterboarding was indeed torture and shouldn't be allowed, they came out and said that they don't think rules should apply to them?
this always cracks me up when news outlets report as follows:
is this like "sodomizing someone with a broomstick creates the sensation of being raped"?
there's a time to parse words, and there's a time to use plain language.
Well, either it was really unpleasant and terrifying to the point where you feared for your health/life, in which case it's torture (with all of the associated arguments against quality of intel...).
Or it was not so terrifying that you feared for your life, in which case I question the purpose. If it's "mild" how does that aid the interrogation? "Ooh, ohh, you're making my face wet. I just gagged a little." Not much worse than amateur porn, really. Honest question, because the closest I've come to interrogating anyone is tickle-torture until I gets my BJ.
i think if you tickle the epiglottis i think everyone wins. you'll still have to negotiate the happy ending, however.
belated happy v-day from mccain:
What's that got to do wtih anything?
THis is about McCain, not the current admin.
Put me in the "For Water Boarding" column on this..
I think it's a non issue that's desperately looking for an outcry of rage.
Not a huge surprise. You've already come out in favor of aggressive war and collective punishment in the past, so I wouldn't expect a little torture to bother you.
Thing is, torture never bothers those who aren't being tortured.
Go ask Miz n8 how she feels about it.
while there may exist an element of manufactured outrage from some, can you see where the remainder reasonably conclude that it is torture?
for me, i walked through a few questions:
- where do you compare mock executions (i assume we agree it's torture unless you tell me): less, as, or more severe?
- is waterboarding classified as "rough treatment", like belly-slaps, an occasional sucker punch, or shaking?
- how does waterboarding compare to torture light (prolonged physically uncomfortable treatment)
- can you still torture and not leave any physiological tracks?
- can we justify any interrogation method just because some of us may voluntarily be subjected to it?
- is a method not deemed tortuous just because johnny knoxville does it to himself?