[jimmydean]

solar is an expensive pipe dream at this point... the bucks to benifit ratio sux0r0z

Nuke generation is exactly where we are headed... just like France.

I mean more from a personal standpoint than a country standpoint. I can (and soon will I hope) get a solar setup on my house in 2-3 months that will supply at least 50% of my home energy needs. The system I want will also expand to cover 100% within a year.

Yes, it costs me bux up front, but if the city goes tits up, I'm cool with that. I would rather not have a nuke plant here and would help my neighbors with labor to install solar to help prevent that if need be.

But I'm an asshole like that.

 

[1453]

I mean more from a personal standpoint than a country standpoint. I can (and soon will I hope) get a solar setup on my house in 2-3 months that will supply at least 50% of my home energy needs. The system I want will also expand to cover 100% within a year.

Yes, it costs me bux up front, but if the city goes tits up, I'm cool with that. I would rather not have a nuke plant here and would help my neighbors with labor to install solar to help prevent that if need be.

But I'm an asshole like that.

then you better wish no one else wants to do the same before you get your set up. If everyone is as aware(a big thumbs up and good for you!!!!! from Randy March) as you are, your projected cost just quintupled.

 

[dante]

I mean more from a personal standpoint than a country standpoint. I can (and soon will I hope) get a solar setup on my house in 2-3 months that will supply at least 50% of my home energy needs. The system I want will also expand to cover 100% within a year.

Yes, it costs me bux up front, but if the city goes tits up, I'm cool with that. I would rather not have a nuke plant here and would help my neighbors with labor to install solar to help prevent that if need be.

But I'm an asshole like that.

unfortunately in my area, solar, wind, tidal or hydro won't work. oh well, off to go build that nuclear reactor in the basement...

 

[N8 v2.0]

unfortunately in my area, solar, wind, tidal or hydro won't work. oh well, off to go build that nuclear reactor in the basement...

great idea!

you can use liberal democrat's tears for free cooling water when McCain steals the election this Nov..

 

[Westy]

great idea!

you can use conservative republicans tears for free cooling water when McCain steals the election this Nov..

Fixed

 

[N8 v2.0]

Fixed

sigh...



that is truer than i'd like to admit.



i am secretly hoping for an obama victory so we can weed out the deadwood RINO's and refocus the GOP for a landside victory when obama runs for his 2d term a'la Ronald Reagan.

 

[jimmydean]

The change I am hoping for:

 

[N8 v2.0]

yeah that's a weener

 

[Defenestrated]

Here is some good reading for those of you uncertain about McCain, or crazy about him...w/e

The cover pic http://reason.com/images/55568f55756c3a17bec129261a374469.jpg

+ the article http://reason.com/news/show/118937.html

Star Quote

“I would rather have a clean government than one…where ‘First Amendment rights’ are being respected that has become corrupt. If I had my choice I’d rather have a clean government.”

I found it interesting, if not unsettling...

 

[ATOMICFIREBALL]

Moron ISLAMIC commie !

Subject: Coincidence? Not Likely





What's in the heart comes out via the tongue!


From Rush Limbaugh's radio show yesterday.....

Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now?

You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said
that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.

You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'

You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there and
misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.

Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.

Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins.

'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations Commission on human rights called combating.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference

Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that
there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states.

So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip? What are the odds such a coincidence?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Moron ISLAMIC commie !

Subject: Coincidence? Not Likely





What's in the heart comes out via the tongue!


From Rush Limbaugh's radio show yesterday.....

Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now?

You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said
that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.

You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'

You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there and
misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.

Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.

Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins.

'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations Commission on human rights called combating.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference

Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that
there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states.

So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip? What are the odds such a coincidence?

excellent post!

keep em coming

 

[N8 v2.0]

Here you go AtomicFireBall, enjoy:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

 

[N8 v2.0]

Now that's "change" Americans can believe in..

To be sure, Obama is a master at seeming to appeal to all sides. But his voting record makes it clear he is a doctrinaire liberal who sees minorities as victims and the government as the solution to all problems — except when it comes to protecting us from terrorist attacks.

According to the National Taxpayers Union, Obama has proposed at least $287 billion a year in new government spending. He also co-sponsored a Senate bill to spend at least $845 billion a year to fight global poverty.

Obama would pay for these increases with much higher taxes, including by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010.

Americans for Tax Reform gives him a lifetime rating of 7.5, compared with 82.7 for John McCain. Indeed, the National Journal has ranked Obama the most liberal senator for 2007.

Like a 6-year-old kid who wants to be friends with everyone on the block, Obama has said he would offer prompt negotiations with anti-American despots. More frightening, Obama voted last August to give Osama bin Laden and other terrorists the same rights as Americans when it comes to intercepting their overseas calls in order to pick up clues needed to stop another attack.

 

[Westy]

Now that's "change" Americans can believe in..

Same rights as Americans in intercepting phone calls? In other words "none"?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Same rights as Americans in intercepting phone calls? In other words "none"?

hey, just dont cavort with known terrorists and you have nada to worry about.

 

[DaveW]

Westy for teh win!

 

[Westy]

hey, just dont cavort with known terrorists and you have nada to worry about.

Same goes For Osama.

 

[N8 v2.0]

i dont see where obama voted against extending the Patriot Act..

so... he must think it's Change he can believe in..

 

[dante]

Now that's "change" Americans can believe in..

wow, cut and paste from newsmax.com, and from n8 of all people. I never would've believed it....

 

[N8 v2.0]

wow, cut and paste from newsmax.com, and from n8 of all people. I never would've believed it....

it's to balance out these references by others on here:

www.crooksandliars.com/

http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/fun/suckfiles/image006.gif

But one thing about the Newsmax story, it's all true.

very true.

While there isnt much of a difference between obama and mccain, taxes is one where they differ vastly.

if you have a hard time paying for $5/gal gas then you cant afford obama.

 

[ohio]

if you have a hard time paying for $5/gal gas then you cant afford obama.

I have a hard time paying ANOTHER trillion dollars (~$3000 per US citizen, ~$10,000 per taxpayer) for a war. Who should I vote for?

 

[kidwoo]

pedro







........

 

[N8 v2.0]

I have a hard time paying ANOTHER trillion dollars (~$3000 per US citizen, ~$10,000 per taxpayer) for a war. Who should I vote for?

you should vote with your mouth over the barrel of a shotgun and pullin' the trigger..?????

 

[Defenestrated]

Finished fifth from last in his class of 899 at Annapolis ( http://www.wmsa.net/People/john_mccain/ariz-republic_chap_I_1999.htm )

During the Vietnam war, wanted to bomb Soviet ships ( http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18721308/mccain_resurrected/3 )

During the Vietnam war, said he wanted to bomb more than military targets ( http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/18721308/mccain_resurrected/3 )

Blamed POW collaboration with NVA forces on "the divisive forces which had come into focus as a result of the antiwar movement in the United States." ( http://www.slate.com/id/2193671/ )

Divorced his wife Carol, who had waited for him while he was in Vietnam, who had been in a horrible car accident, for a multi-millionaire heiress he had met a year before the divorce ( http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/jun/18/mccain-record-shows-flaws/ )

Married Cindy one month after the divorce ( http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/jun/18/mccain-record-shows-flaws/ )

Admitted and was widely known to being unfaithful during his first marriage ( http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/06/10/2008-06-10_why_mccain_didnt_reup_with_first_wife.html )

Moved to Arizona for political reasons; the day after his predecessor announced his upcoming retirement, Cindy bought a house in the district ( http://www.wmsa.net/People/john_mccain/ariz-republic_chap_IV_1999.htm )

Was elected to congress in part due to his friendship with Darrow Tully, publisher of the AZ Republic, who gave him free editorial space ( http://www.usvetdsp.com/nov07/mccain_deceit.htm )

Voted against the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday; later said that he didn't know much about MLK at the time, and that "I had not really been involved in the issue." (

)

Did not comment when Tully's numerous war stories about himself (Tully) were revealed to be all lies ( http://www.usvetdsp.com/nov07/mccain_deceit.htm )

Was part of the Keating 5 ( http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/ )

Cindy stole prescription medication to feed an addiction for 3 years ( http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/ )

Cindy was accused (never convicted) of threatening an employee to keep quiet about the thefts ( http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/ )

Vigorously lobbied to have investigations of his friend Gov. Fife Symington halted; Symington was convicted of bank fraud, to which McCain said that Symington had been running the state well ( http://www.wmsa.net/People/john_mccain/ariz-republic_chap_IV_1999.htm )

When a different governor fell under similar circumstances, McCain went after him ( http://www.wmsa.net/People/john_mccain/ariz-republic_chap_IV_1999.htm )

When it was suggested that he showed preference to Symington that he didn't show to Mecham, said "I really won't answer that kind of insinuation? I do what's best for the state. I do what's best for the country." ( http://www.wmsa.net/People/john_mccain/ariz-republic_chap_IV_1999.htm )

Voted to convict Bill Clinton on impeachment charges ( http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/02/12/senate.statements/mccain.html )

Led the congressional attempt to force Clinton to send ground troops into Serbia ( http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-25-mccainforce_N.htm )

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." ( http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml )

Voted to authorize the Iraq war ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&vote=00237&session=2 )

Ate birthday cake with President Bush several hours after the levees at New Orleans broke; later, McCain blasted Bush's tepid and slow response ( http://www.newsweek.com/id/133551 )

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." Denied saying this in a primary debate. ( http://www.newsweek.com/id/103730/page/2 )

"The issues of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/opinion/14krugman.html )

Added Arthur Laffer and Phil Gramm to his campaign economics staff ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/21/short-on-economic-underst_n_82529.html?page=3 , http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/business/26supply.html )

"I don't have the kind of expertise to know exactly whether he has cut interest rates sufficiently or not." ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21221689/ )

Debate question, are Americans better off than they were 8 years ago: "I think you could argue that Americans overall are better off, because we have had a pretty good prosperous time, with low unemployment and low inflation and a lot of good things have happened. A lot of jobs have been created." ( http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/30/GOPdebate.transcript/ )

Today show, soon after, when asked the same question: "Oh no. No." Bloomberg TV, same question: "In fact, I think Americans are not better off than they were eight years ago, when you look at what's happened to middle-income Americans." ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/25/mccain-on-whether-america_n_98701.html )

Says that he can save $100 billion by cutting earmarks; campaign later denies this claim. Has said saving $100B would not come from military; this would necessitate a 18.5% across the board cut in every other discretionary spending program, including education, veteran's health, highways. ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part_i.html )

Favors repealing the alternative minimums tax, 90% of the benefits going to six-figure families; this would cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years; claim of an average of $2000/family mostly weighted by highest earners. ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part_ii.html )

Says that Obama and Clinton want to create the largest tax increase since WW2; it would be the fifth-largest and is not even an increase, but merely allowing Bush's cuts to expire. ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part_ii.html )

Opposed Bush's tax cuts, supported Bush's tax cuts ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91544414 )

Wants to cut capital gains taxes. ( http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2005-347.htm )
Wants to remove federal gasoline taxes ( http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN3038243520080430 )

Claimed that 401ks are taxed by the capital gains tax (they are not) and used this to further his point that "[Obama] obviously doesn't understand the economy." ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part_ii.html )

Claimed Obama wanted to double the capital gains tax; Obama said no more than double (which is what it was under Clinton) and probably much lower. ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_budget_according_to_mccain_part_ii.html )

Was revealed along with his wife to owe $100,00-250,000 in credit card debt ( http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccains-report-more-than-100000-in-credit-card-debt-2008-06-13.html )

Supported ID being taught in schools; now opposes that ( http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/politics/90069 , http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/ )

"Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" ( http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/04/mccain-sings-bomb-bomb-iran.html )

Slept through portions of Bush's 2007 State of the Union address ( http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/24/state-of-the-union-lullaby/ )

Having been tortured for five years, joined the party that prolonged his torture and blasted Romney at a debate for supporting torture ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16726577 )

Now McCain himself supports torture ( http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_02/013122.php )
At a Smith & Wesson plant, "I will follow Osama Bin Laden to the gates of hell and I will shoot him with your products." ( http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071024/NEWS01/710240372/1217/NEWS98 )

Chief Advisor of McCain's campaign, Charlie Black, lobbied for numerous dictators in Asia and Africa; Black said he didn't do anything wrong ( http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2008/02/22/mccain/index.html , http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/05/19/mccain-strategist-on-lobbyist-ties-complete-inside-the-beltway-nonsense.aspx?tid=relatedcl )

Richard Davis is one of McCain's friends, advisers, and campaign chairs; Davis was paid $395,000 to lobby on behalf of the telecom industry; McCain, as chairman of the Commerce Committee, supported a Cablevision bid despite a government report saying that it would lead to higher prices. ( http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0707/4900.html )

Two campaign staffers forced to resign; they had lobbied on behalf of Myanmar's repressive government in 2002 ( http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/12/1009376.aspx )
Cindy, after an AP article outed her, sells her investments in mutual funds that invested in the Sudanese government ( http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/cindy-mccain-sells-sudan-investments/ )

 

[Defenestrated]

Describes Roberts, Alito his favorite justices ( http://www.denverpost.com/viewpoints/ci_9184303 )

Called the League of Democracies the "League of Nations" ( http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Another_day_another_oops_for_McCain.html )

Says that Bush's warrantless wiretaps are legal ( http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/06/aide_says_mccain_backs_bush_on_wiretapping/ )

STEWART: There was one comment-- and this could have been taken out of context as well-- you felt that Hamas endorsed Obama? Did they officially-- ( http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/07/mccain_on_the_daily_show.html )
McCAIN: A spokesperson from Hamas said they wanted Senator Obama, but that's-- that's --
STEWART: Do you feel bad you said that? Because that is-- if you think about it--
McCAIN: A spokesperson said that, and I think --
STEWART: And you take Hamas at their word?
McCAIN: No, but it's indicative of how some of our enemies view America. I guarantee you, they're not going to endorse me.
says talking to Hamas is naive; two years prior, in an interview with James Rubin of Sky News, said that negotiations with Hamas were inevitable, and the current (Bush) admin had to get used to that; in 2003 had said that even though Syria sponsored and harbored terrorists, it was worth talking to them ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/exclusive-video-mccain-wa_n_102031.html )
was in favor of negotiations with Cuba; no longer is ( http://www.fladems.com/content/w/john_mccain_shifts_staggers_on_cuba )
constantly confuses Shia and Sunni ( http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/18/780688.aspx )

Says that Al Qaeda get training in Iran ( http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/mccain-misspeaks-on-iran-al-qaeda/ )

Insists that Ahmadinejad was the leader of Iran, not Khamenei, despite reality being what it is ( http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/05/iran-mccain-stu.html )

Campaign staff didn't know enough about computers to disable comments on campaign youtube videos, and didn't know enough about computers to disable comments on website store,
and his campaign stole a recipe from Rachel Ray / the Food Network website for Cindy's website; was called on it; did it again with another recipe from the Hershey's website ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-weiner/re-heat-offender-cindy-ba_b_107428.html )

Campaign actively sought Hagee's endorsement until the "Hitler was a hunter" video came out ( http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2008/05/23/public-opinion-mccain-hagee-and-parsley-vs-obama-and-wright--whose-reverend-problem-is-more-serious.html , http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html )

Actively opposed the GI bill that would increase education benefits to soldiers; was one of three senators who didn't vote on it (one was in the hospital and one was at a funeral; he was campaigning) ( http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/23/mccain_misses_vote_on_a_new_gi_bill_scorns_criticism_from_obama/ )

Used a picture of Gen. Petraeus in fundraising material (military members are not allowed to do this) ( http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/mccain-uses-ima.html )

"That's not change we can believe in." ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/03/AR2008060303837.html )

"We should be able to deliver hot water to dehydrated babies." ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/03/AR2008060303837.html )

"The media often overlooked how compassionately [Hillary] spoke to the concerns and dreams of millions." Three days later denied saying this: "I did not [say that], that was in prepared remarks, and I did not [say it], I'm not in the business of commenting on the press and their coverage or not coverage" ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/03/AR2008060303837.html )

When asked if he had an idea of when troops would be coming home, said "No, but that's not too important. What's important is the casualties in Iraq." ( http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/11/timing_of_iraq_troop_withdrawa.html )

After the Supreme Court ruled that Guantanamo prisoners have some rights, "The United States Supreme Court yesterday rendered a decision which I think is one of the worst decisions in the history of this country," McCain said. He went on to quote from Justice Roberts dissent in the case, rail against "unaccountable judges," and say that the courts are about to be clogged with cases from detainees. Called it a case about "so-called, 'Habeas Corpus,' suits." ( http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/mccain-guantanamo-decision-one-of-worst-ever/ )

His daughter did not switch parties from Independent to Republican until 2008 ( http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-13-meghan-mccain_N.htm )

Refuses to return money taken from a fundraiser hosted by Clayton Williams, who said of rape, "As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it." ( http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/14/mccain_says_no_to_returning_fu.html?hpid=topnews )

At a Town Hall meeting, was asked why we haven't caught bin Laden yet; McCain got pissed, started rambling about the Diamondbacks and Yankees and Rudy Giuliani on a screen, said as President, Bin Laden would be caught (Guess this means Bin Laden is still safe for another few months) and people were laughing that McCain wasn't answering the question.

Concerning Cheney: "I don't know if I would want him as vice president. He and I have the same strengths. But to serve in other capacities? Hell, yeah." ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/mccain-on-cheney-in-his-c_n_106503.html?page=5 )

Constantly refers to his imprisonment by the North Vietnamese

Keeps on him at all times a lucky compass, lucky feather, lucky penny, and sometimes a lucky rock; an aide carries his lucky pen; always wears his lucky shoes (LL Bean rubber-soled dress shoes) ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/19/067r-021900-idx.html )

"One of the things I would do if I were President would be to sit the Shiites and the Sunnis down and say, 'Stop the bull****,'" ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/mccains-diplomacy-id-tell_n_101989.html )

McCain refuses to answer a question about whether or not he supports Bush's abstinence-only policy in Africa; when asked if he supported condom distribution, was silent; when asked about his policy on sex ed in the USA, said "I think I support the president's policy;" when asked if he thought contraceptives helped stop the spread of HIV, said "You've stumped me." Asked an aide for his policy paper on the subject; couldn't find it; finished by saying "I've never gotten into these issues before." ( http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/mccain-stumbles-on-hiv-prevention/ )

"Still,...McCain has yet to find his voice on domestic issues--his response to a question about crime among teen girls veered from a Little Rock mentoring program to Nicaraguan drug lords to securing the Mexican border to the rural meth epidemic, then ended with the not-so-confident words, "I intend to enlist the help of the people who know these problems best"" ( http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/06/11/can-mccain-come-from-behind-in-pennsylvania.aspx?print=true )

"I will veto every single beer" ( http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/10/mccain-i-will-veto-every-single-beer/ )

his smile

"I'm not for, quote, privatizing social security; I never have been, I never will be." ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-scher/mccain-lies-about-social_b_106862.html )

"Without privatization, I don't see how you can possibly over time make sure that young Americans are able to receive social security benefits." ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-scher/mccain-lies-about-social_b_106862.html )

Said he supported a cap-and-trade system, but no mandatory caps ( http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0608/McCain_muffs_description_capandtrade.html )

Supports clean coal ( http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/18/1153793.aspx )

Wants to end the offshore drilling ban of 1981 (opponents include Republican Governors Schwarzenegger and Crist) ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/16/AR2008061602731_pf.html )

The description of McCain's autobiography is by the author of The Unmaking Of Americans: How Multiculturalism has Undermined the Assimilation Ethic and Our Oldest Enemy: A History of America's Disastrous Relationship with France ( http://www.amazon.com/Faith-My-Fathers-John-Mccain/dp/0375501916 )

When asked to name an inspirational author, said "Joel Osteen" ( http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21129038/full_metal_mccain/2 )

 

[Defenestrated]

Republican John McCain's campaign accused Barack Obama of having a dangerous and naive Sept. 10 mind-set toward terrorism because the Democrat spoke approvingly of the successful prosecution and imprisonment of those responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center bombings. ( http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/17/MNLJ11AMK8.DTL&type=politics )

Suggested that, as a new idea, like divestment from South Africa to fight apartheid, we should divest from Iran; a bipartisan bill presented by Obama and Brownback in 2007 said just that exact same thing; McCain voted against it; one of his main campaign advisers lobbies for an Iranian steel company; McCain opposed divestment from South Africa at the time. ( http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9989861 , http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/04/mccain-divestment/ )

"We have had some success working with the Pakistanis in a low visible fashion. Should they be more helpful? Of course they should be. Should the Saudis be more helpful? Should the Jordanians be more helpful? Should the Egyptians? We are giving billions of dollars a year to the Egyptians, as you know, and they should be more helpful. Should the Mexicans be more helpful? Everybody should be more helpful." ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/16/mccain-blames-history-on_n_107438.html?page=4 )

calls Obama an elitist; sells golf equipment on his website. ( http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/14/888165.aspx )

Does not support Amtrak ( http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/transportation/july-dec97/amtrak_11-12.html )

Collects $58,000 per year from the government in disability ( http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pension22apr22,1,6562984.story )

Does not know how to use a computer or the internet (in 2008!) ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/mccain-admits-he-doesnt-k_n_106478.html )

Said that the nation is founded on "Christian principles" ( http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/01/mccain.christian.nation/index.html )

Is in favor of prayer in public schools ( http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Civil_Rights.htm )

In 86 exploded at a young campaign worker for setting up a podium that was too tall; he had just won his senate election.
McCain and Phoenix mayor Paul Johnson have a volatile argument in front of other Arizona mayors; ''He says, 'Start a tape recorder. It's best when you get a liar on tape,' '' Johnson recalled. ''Oh, gosh, you never dealt with a more brutal individual,'' Johnson said. ''He was very tough.''
according to two anonymous witnesses and a reporter, McCain angrily replied to his wife's comment about his thinning hair by saying "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt."
in 96 got in a brief scuffle with Strom Thurmond ( http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/6506.html )

In 89 flipped Sam Nunn the bird ( http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/people/6506.html )

Said to Sen. Pete Domenici, "Only an asshole would put together a budget like this." After Domenici told him no one had ever called him that, McCain said "I wouldn't call you an asshole unless you were really an asshole." ( http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022 )

In 2000 Sen. Grassley said, "Are you calling me stupid?" McCain replied, "I'm calling you a ****ing jerk." ( http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022 )

Screamed "**** you" at John Cornyn on the senate floor, followed by "This is chicken**** stuff," when asked about provisions of his amnesty bill. ( http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022 )

"Because I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women."[CNN, 9/24/02] ( http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/24/lkl.00.html )

"We're not going to get into house-to-house fighting in Baghdad. We may have to take out buildings, but we're not going to have a bloodletting of trading American bodies for Iraqi bodies." [CNN, 9/29/02] ( http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/29/le.00.html )

"But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03] ( http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/01/22/sprj.irq.wrap/ )

"But I believe, Katie, that the Iraqi people will greet us as liberators." [NBC, 3/20/03] ( http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/351896_jackson20.html )

"It's clear that the end is very much in sight." [ABC, 4/9/03] ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ilan-goldenberg/saying-it-does-not-make-i_b_101893.html )

"There's not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03] ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ilan-goldenberg/saying-it-does-not-make-i_b_101893.html )

Voted against the ERA

Voted in favor of tobacco subsidies

Voted against the Clean Air Act

Voted against the Katrina Commission (twice) ( http://www.newsweek.com/id/140233 )

Voted against extended Medicaid access for Katrina victims ( http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/24/mccain_tours_lower_ninth_ward.html )

Voted against extended unemployment assistance for Katrina victims ( http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/24/mccain_tours_lower_ninth_ward.html )

Voted against extending troop deployment times in the USA to match deployment times in Iraq ( http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00341 )

Voted against repealing a capital gains tax cut which would have funded soldiers ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00008 )

Voted consistently from 2003-2007 against additional funding for Walter Reed Army Medical Center ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00007 , http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00098 , http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00090 )

Voted to table a bill that would have provided funding and equipment for Guard and Reserve units ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00116 )

voted against additional funding for the mental health care of troops ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00343 )

Voted against legal definitions of torture ( http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/04/mccain_does_not_know_contents.html )

Voted against closing a future market loophole that led to the Enron disasters in California; said the market needed less regulation, not more; the money saved from closing this loophole would have reduced medical and pharmaceutical copays for soldiers ( http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2008/051908Leopold.shtml )

Voted against Everglades restoration ( http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-campaign7-2008jun07,0,7166658.story )

Skipped over a dozen votes on Iraq in the senate ( http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559 )

Was indirectly responsible for the deaths of 21 shopkeepers in Baghdad's Shorja marketplace, after visiting and saying it was perfectly safe ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1604931.ece )

"There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods today." ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/04/60minutes/main2648779.shtml )
"General Petraeus goes out there [Iraq] almost everyday in an unarmored humvee." ( http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/28/ywt.01.html )

"I meant that there are neighborhoods that are safe in Iraq, and he does go out into Baghdad, and the fact is there has been significant progress..." ( http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0703/28/bn.01.html )

"I'm not say that they [VIPs] could go without protection. The president goes around America with protection. So I certainly didn't say that." ( http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0704/01/tww.01.html )

Unidentified Reporter: "[On 26 Mar] You said there are areas in Baghdad that you can walk around freely."
McCain: "Yeah, I just came from one." ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/01/AR2007040100325_pf.html )

McCain's escort through Shorja was 100+ soldiers, sniper teams, 10 armored humvees, 3 blackhawk helicopters, 2 apache gunships, predator drone coverage; McCain was wearing a bulletproof vest and allowed to take off his helmet only when authorized ( http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/05/28/it-takes-two-baby-to-make-a-dr )

Says that Obama can't understand Iraq since he hasn't been there since 2006 ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/27/politics/main4127728.shtml )

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." (1998) ( http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html )

 

[N8 v2.0]

for balance:

18 Reasons NOT to vote for Obama


1) He IS the most liberal senator in Congress (http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.html)

2) He wants to repeal DOMA.

3) He's an admitted junkie (coke and pot, mostly).

4) He's an elitist.

5) He hangs out with crooks and racists.

6) He himself is a racist who considers babies to be "punishment".

7) He attends a church that pledges allegiance to the "mother continent Africa" and the Black Value System.

8) He celebrates Che.

9) His wife is a whiney elitist who believes she was able to get ahead in society in spite of America's attempt to hold her down; she graduated from Harvard. And she's only just now proud of America because her husband has made it this far (or maybe because he's running for president and anti-Americanism isn't popular in America, except in Hollywood, Berkeley, and a few other socialist hotspots).

10) He browbeats the hard-working Americans to give money to the poor and downtrodden, while he himself only gives a paltry 1% (though it did shoot up as high as 4% in the years after pursuing the presidency).

11) He won't make any tough decisions.

12) He doesn't understand fundamental economic principles, except of course for his favorite - Marxism - which will allow him to take from those who work and give it to those who will more than likely piss it away (e.g., the government). Case in point - the oil companies. They received a low 7% return on investment, yet because they are hedged against inflation risk (high oil prices are a direct result of the plummeting dollar, not oil profiteering), and benefiting from China & India's rapid industrialization, he wants to take it away. This, of course, will only entice oil companies to close, restricting supply ever further and thus increasing the price of gas. Meanwhile, schools like Harvard and OSU (yes, The Ohio State University) sit on billion dollar endowment funds and cry to Congress about needing subsidies. Fact: Harvard raked in a profit of $7 BILLION last year of their endowment fund investments alone - a 23% return! Why aren't we going after their profits?

13) He wants to deny law-abiding citizens their constitutional right to keep firearms.

14) He's not good at the job he has now; He only bothers to vote some of the time (he missed one-third of the votes in 2007), which, based on his record is actually probably better for America.

15) The guy is so cold-hearted that he actually supported legislation that allowed doctors to deny basic, fundamental care to babies so long as they were botched abortions. So, if you tried to kill your baby and failed, you simply wait until he's born, then just let him die.

16) He's a liar.

17) He's a cry-baby who only whines about how bad things are, but if you press him for details on how he can make it better, he has no plan; or worse, if he does have a plan, and it's to raise taxes so he can spend more on his liberal propaganda programs (like Midnight Basketball).

18) He wants a government controlled universal healthcare program. Universal healthcare should be one of our goals, but it should be provided by the open-market and NOT be administered in any way by the government. Think about having to get a kidney from the BMV. By the way, if the government did ever become the country's sole provider of healthcare, you can kiss beer, cheeseburgers and cigarettes goodbye, because the first thing our omniscient lawmakers would do is pass a series of laws to outlaw smoking, drinking and obesity in order to "bring down costs". Remember, Nazi Germany did the same thing. The actual Nazi Socialist Party Slogan was: "Your body belongs to the state. Your body belongs to the Fuhrer. Health is not a private matter."

Barrack Hussein Obama is just bad. He's bad in the Senate, and he'd be even worse as the President. Frankly, I only think he got this far because the majority of his supporters are tripping over themselves to prove that they're not racist. (note: When Condi decides to run, she has my vote).

By the way, while HE may not be a self-described Muslim, you can't overlook the fact that both his father and step-father were radical Muslims (fortunately, though, his mom was just an atheist), and that he spent time studying in Indonesia – the most Muslim nation in the world.

 

[ohio]

you should vote with your mouth over the barrel of a shotgun and pullin' the trigger..?????

ooooh, did I make troll angry?

 

[N8 v2.0]

ooooh, did I make troll angry?

not in the least.. just trying to help you get out of the sad dismal life you (and silver) seem to lead..

 

[Defenestrated]

Can I get your sources on these gems?

4) He's an elitist.

5) He hangs out with crooks and racists.

6) He himself is a racist who considers babies to be "punishment".

7) He attends a church that pledges allegiance to the "mother continent Africa" and the Black Value System.

9) His wife is a whiney elitist...

11) He won't make any tough decisions.

16) He's a liar.

really n8 your whole list looks like a slew of ad hominem attacks to me (ie. bull****)

 

[jimmydean]

Can I get your sources on these gems?






really n8 your whole list looks like a slew of ad hominem attacks to me (ie. bull****)

http://www.billoreilly.com ?

 

[N8 v2.0]

http://www.billoreilly.com ?

i lol'd...

 

[Samirol]

1) The National Review said in 2004 that John Kerry was the most liberal senator, and are advocates of supply side economics which failed miserably under Reagan. Supply-side economics worked under the Kennedy administration because of demand-based inflation.

2) Defense of Marriage Act is an abomination of human rights.

3) Not a big issue for me

4) We are an elitist country, we want people that are the best to lead. I sure don't want a country bumpkin leading this country.

5) Source?

6) Source?

7) He left that church (he should have stayed in my opinion, but you have to do what you have to do)

8) Source?

9) Berkeley is an example of what it means to be American, protesting is more "American" than jingoism

10) I would look up your definition of browbeats

11) I want your crystal ball

12) I would research marxism, and read the bill for windfall profit taxes instead of going off of fox news

13) Yes, because AK-47s are logical home defense weapons

14) legitimate point

15) Disappointed about this

16) Source?

17) There is a blueprint for change on his website which anyone can download which details plans

18) Health care will remain privatized, but he wants to give poor people assistance in paying for it.

I wouldn't care if he was a Muslim, Hindu, Jew, or any of that, I care about issues.

Your list is complete bunk.

 

[ohio]

for balance:

Boy I wish I could tell the difference between cited factual events, and subjective vagaries.

If only...

 

[Defenestrated]

It's pretty lolz considering nearly every example in my massive 3 post list has a source cited

 

[jimmydean]

It's pretty lolz considering nearly every example in my massive 3 post list has a source cited

Source = n8's sandy vag.

 

[DaveW]

It's pretty lolz considering nearly every example in my massive 3 post list has a source cited

Amazing!

The cut and paste king has failed at cutting and pasting his sources! oster_oops:

 

[Defenestrated]

And food for thought (concerning McCain's comments).

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

mhmm

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

oh whats that mr. mccain? a founding father wanted church and state separation? :facepalm:

God We Trust is the official national motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. The motto was first imprinted onto United States currency in 1864, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956.

McCain thinks 1956 is when the United States was created apparently.

The motto In God We Trust was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the American Civil War.

lol

 

[N8 v2.0]

Wow.. i would have thought it was longer than that...

Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience

Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much.

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.

143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.

In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever. At 71, John McCain may just be hitting his stride.

 

[Westy]

Wow.. i would have thought it was longer than that...

Awesome. Compare how many days Obama spent while the Senate was in session and McCain in years of service. Another unslanted e-mail forward from N8.