McLeods

Discussion in 'Trail Building & Advocacy' started by johnbryanpeters, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. johnbryanpeters

    Rep/Likes:
    229 / 2,296
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2001
    Messages:
    23,792
    Location:
    Making moss sad in New Haven, Vermont
    I seem to have left my trusty McLeod behind on a trail day. Thinking about replacing it with the Rogue Hoe version. Comments/opinions?
    Rogue Hoe Mcleod.jpg
     

    Please register to disable this ad.

  2. jstuhlman

    jstuhlman We noticed.

    Rep/Likes:
    312 / 2,932
    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,596
    Location:
    Cackalacka du Nord
    people like em...i’ve gotten on with my basic yellow handled nupla one for years, although the blade’s pretty beaten down by this point.
     
  3. boostindoubles

    boostindoubles Nacho Libre

    Rep/Likes:
    119 / 1,220
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2004
    Messages:
    3,777
    Location:
    Yakistan
    I like my rogue hoe. I like the nupla also. The nupla developed play at the bushing but it still works fine. The rogue hoe has so many options, especially for the handle. The different handles really change the character of the tool. Also the many different heads make it hard to pick one. I like the 54" handles for raking. The travis tool is cool cause it has a rake/hoe/ and wide tooth pick.
     
  4. KenW449

    KenW449 something stupid

    Rep/Likes:
    23 / 182
    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2017
    Messages:
    1,925
    Location:
    Floating down the whiskey river...
    Can you not go and get it?
     
  5. Jm_

    Jm_ Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    139 / 970
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    7,872
    Location:
    AK
    I dunno, I think McLeods and the heavy hoes are fairly different tools, the hoe being sort of an expanded sharp pulaski that can attach heavy rooted hills and the McLeod better for finishing work in soft dirt. If it was too heavy, I'm not sure if it would work as well for that role. I think the narrower angled face of the hoe really helps for the intended purpose, while the flat lighter blade of the mcleod is more for the easier trailwork. Be interesting to hear your thoughts.
     
  6. johnbryanpeters

    Rep/Likes:
    229 / 2,296
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2001
    Messages:
    23,792
    Location:
    Making moss sad in New Haven, Vermont
    I actually managed to find the Mcleod today - right where I always keep it. Old age is hell... might wind up getting one closer to the Pulaski 'cause I'm doing rooty sidehill work now...
     
  7. Jm_

    Jm_ Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    139 / 970
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    7,872
    Location:
    AK
    That sounds like the one I want, heavy hoe on one side, pulaski on the other, should be tits for chopping through stuff. I don't think anyone around here carries them.
     
  8. jstuhlman

    jstuhlman We noticed.

    Rep/Likes:
    312 / 2,932
    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2009
    Messages:
    7,596
    Location:
    Cackalacka du Nord
    yeah-i usually carry both a nupla mcleod and a pulaski.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  9. boostindoubles

    boostindoubles Nacho Libre

    Rep/Likes:
    119 / 1,220
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2004
    Messages:
    3,777
    Location:
    Yakistan
    Its called the Beast

    https://roguehoe.com/product/55hx-the-beast/



    Just do it, I know you want to order 5.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  10. Jm_

    Jm_ Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    139 / 970
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    7,872
    Location:
    AK
  11. boostindoubles

    boostindoubles Nacho Libre

    Rep/Likes:
    119 / 1,220
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2004
    Messages:
    3,777
    Location:
    Yakistan
    I have one of those, theyre nice also. That tooth is good for prying rock.
     
  12. boostindoubles

    boostindoubles Nacho Libre

    Rep/Likes:
    119 / 1,220
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2004
    Messages:
    3,777
    Location:
    Yakistan
    5505.jpeg 5762.jpeg 22180.jpeg 22737.jpeg

    Then there is this guy, talked about him before. Great for the short cuts way back in on the trail.

    4297.jpeg
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Jm_

    Jm_ Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    139 / 970
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    7,872
    Location:
    AK
    From wednesday night's trailbuilding party. Me on right.


    38967043_1939189736139485_2228433044111360000_o.jpg
     
    • Like Like x 3
  14. amishmatt

    amishmatt Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    12 / 225
    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,165
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA
    I really like my HR70 for a go to single tool. If I'm just walking trails repairing sections and don't want to carry more than one thing, it covers my needs pretty damn well. Cuts way better than a Mcleod, and tamps almost as well. I have a bunch of Mcleods in my allotment of the club's tools, but I never use one as there's always a better option, IMO.

    If I have the option for multiple tools, and I usually do, , I'd rather have a stardard 70H hoe with the axe handle, a pulaski and my BTR trail tool.
     
  15. JustMtnB44

    JustMtnB44 Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    3 / 29
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2006
    Messages:
    733
    Location:
    Pittsburgh, PA
    I've never been a fan of regular McLeods, they just don't seem that useful to me when I have used them. They generally aren't sharp enough to cut through anything so it basically becomes a tool to push/rake/tamp dirt. I do have one of the Rogue 70HR versions and it is much better because it is a lot sharper and better at cutting through dirt and small roots, while still being able to move dirt and tamp it. It works well for light bench cutting, scraping areas that don't need a lot of benching, and cleaning out drains of muck and wet leaves.

    I have many Rogue hoe tools at my disposal for maintaining my local park.
    • My all time go-to tool is still the Rogue 70H, there isn't anything it can't do for basic trail building and maintenance needs.
    • If I'm in a rocky area then I sometimes grab the Rogue 60A tool, the pick side is useful to break up soft rocks like shale and slate. For areas that are only dirt then this tool is not as useful as the 70H as it doesn't cut deep enough.
    • I have an 80R hoe for building berms or bench cutting on steep, soft hillsides. It moves a lot of dirt.
    • The 55HX stays the sharpest of the bunch, and is my go to tool for areas with lots of roots, hardpack soil, or dense areas of small saplings or invasive bushes that need to be chopped out. I don't use the axe side as much as I thought I would, but it can be useful for chopping out stumps or rotted deadfall.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Useful Useful x 1
  16. SpeedyChix

    SpeedyChix Chimp

    Rep/Likes:
    0 / 1
    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Messages:
    3
    Location:
    Midwest
    These are my go-to trail tools. The Rogue 70H stands above all, it's the first tool I'll grab when I'm heading out with a single piece.
    Folding saw sees a fair amount of use as do some ratcheting pruners.

     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. MrBaker87

    MrBaker87 Chimp

    Rep/Likes:
    3 / 12
    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2014
    Messages:
    69
    Location:
    neverlandranch
    This is all true.

    A mccloed has little use to me except as a tamp or a (shitty) rake. Can be used to do a little shaping as well. The rogue mccloed, which I own in addition to other rogue tools, is one of the worst offenders in that the head is not flat not large enough to be an effective rake or tamp.
     
  18. Jm_

    Jm_ Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    139 / 970
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    7,872
    Location:
    AK
    IDK, in our soft-dirt trails, the McLeaud is the go-to tool, jack of all trades and does a great job of finishing machine-built trails.

    In the harder stuff, no contest, a good solid hoe seems to be the ticket.

    I've cut through huge freaking trees with my silky saw. It's kind of ridiculous.
     
  19. boostindoubles

    boostindoubles Nacho Libre

    Rep/Likes:
    119 / 1,220
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2004
    Messages:
    3,777
    Location:
    Yakistan
    In the foothills around here it really depends on the work. If it's scratching in a new trail, the travis tool or mcleod is the ticket. If it's wet-dirt-side-hill-bench-cutting, the hoe can really move dirt. The mcleod works also. We have hoes and Mcleods. The standard rogue Mcleod with a 54" handle ends up in my hands more than anything. I should mention I have needed wire cutters way more times than I have needed saws or pruners. There are no trees.
     
  20. StiHacka

    StiHacka Compensating for something

    Rep/Likes:
    303 / 2,925
    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    9,563
    Location:
    i͓̽t͓̽ i͓̽s͓̽ fu͓̽l͓̽l͓̽ o͓̽f s͓̽t͓̽a͓̽r͓̽s͓̽
     
    • Useful Useful x 2
  21. Sandwich

    Sandwich Pig my fish!
    Staff Member

    Rep/Likes:
    56 / 662
    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    15,100
    Location:
    01776
    that's a forehead you could land a plane on...
     
  22. Sandwich

    Sandwich Pig my fish!
    Staff Member

    Rep/Likes:
    56 / 662
    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    15,100
    Location:
    01776
    that's a forehead you could land a plane on...
     
  23. SuboptimusPrime

    SuboptimusPrime Turbo Monkey

    Rep/Likes:
    30 / 719
    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    1,245
    Location:
    NorCack
    I’ve had a Beast for the last 4 years. Utterly awesome all purpose trail clearing and clean up tool. 11/10 will get another one if mine gives up.