meanwhile in higher education...
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frankly i think he has a chance.
While it would be impossible to prove he got NO education, having taken at least some bogus classes shows he didn't get the level of quality afforded to non-athlete students.
especially if he can prove that he was directed away from a major he was interested in to one of the curated "fake" majors
True story. The idea that a school (and I know good and well most if not all the top football schools do this) has a fist full of bogus degree programs laid out for you to show up to makes me ill. Makes schools like Stanford look even moar better. Real classes, real degrees, and a football team that could be in the top 25, they are doing something right.
We had no football where I went to school. We did have DIV1 Hockey. It was an engineering school but there was a sports management program for the hockey players. None of the sports management classes ever showed up on the course catalog.
One of the neat things about this whole debacle is that it seems to stretched all the way back to the Dean Smith era. I wonder if other former scholar athletes will give this approach a go if this case is moderately successful. What's also been a source of great mirth for me is they still weren't that good at tackle sport. Meanwhile, their neighbors down the street (Duke) have managed to build a top 25 program and at least appear to be doing it the right way. Although, someone like Bama or basically anybody in the SEC west would likely boatrace the blue devils, so they're still a long ways from being an "elite" national power.
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As far as the sports management courses go, I'd actually be OK with that assuming they actually taught them about basic finance, interview training (both for the media and for a job), why your friend's restaurant/night club idea sucks, what to look for in an agent, coaching techniques, why expensive depreciating assets are dumb as fuck, etc..
Let's face it, a lot of these kids aren't prepared for real college academic rigor, and what they really need is basic life skills stuff.
Let's face it, a lot of these kids aren't prepared for real college academic rigor, and what they really need is basic life skills stuff.
I am confident that the sports management classes did provide some real education. The problem is that it was a special program created for the athletes who otherwise would not be able to stand up to the rigor that every other student experienced. IMO a proper athletic program should have admissions blind to the participation in the athletic program.
I tend to agree with your position, even considering it would essentially be the death knell for "big time" college football and basketball. My thought would be to follow the example of college baseball/MLB, where you have the choice to go pro (i.e. pro team sponsored minor league system) or go play college ball at age 18. If you decide to play college ball, then you're there for a minimum of 3 years and I'd stipulate there's no "rocks for jocks" majors/classes for you. You can then try the pros after 3 years or after your graduate, but this of course assumes you have the cooperation of the pro league. The NBA will take you any time really, and I think the NFL will take you after your sophomore season, which in my mind is part of the problem. That and neither of those leagues have truly invested in a minor league system (the NBA-D league and NFL Yurp don't really count IMO) and have instead relied on the colleges for initial player development. A lot of the players at the top college football and basketball programs have no real interest in the education aspect, and are only going through the motions as they wait for their opportunity to be drafted - so why bother with the charade? If you think you're good enough to make a living at playing ball sport, then forgo the whole college crap try your luck with the big boys. Then college football games would resemble the bygone era of Knute Rockne and Charlie "Choo-Choo" Justice. Break out the leather "helmets" and the single wing formation!
It has been, but given the emasculated condition the NCAA currently finds itself in, its difficult to predict what they'll actually do (if anything). Part of the problem is no one can accurately define "lack of institutional control", which would seem like the appropriate way to describe UNC's transgressions. If the NCAA makes that finding, then there could be some significant repercussions in theory. However, there is also some speculation the NCAA is loathe to significantly damage one of their big money merchandise properties (e.g. Texas, USC, OSU, Bama, FSU, UNC, etc...), so they may only get a few scholarship reductions, pay a minor fine, and perhaps an one year post-season tourney ban or something along those lines. Personally, I think making them vacate wins/titles is a much stronger penalty, as the humiliation of taking down banners and changing records provides a lasting reminder of their fuck up.
And for the record, I think this sort of thing is totally ubiquitous at most big time college football and basketball programs, but the Bama's of the world don't even pretend they're putting scholar-athletes on the field.
And for the record, I think this sort of thing is totally ubiquitous at most big time college football and basketball programs, but the Bama's of the world don't even pretend they're putting scholar-athletes on the field.
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UNC basketball? Yes, it should be. UNC football? They haven't done sh!t.
What does MJ say about this? What was his major, anyway?
<edit> BA in Cultural Geography,
dang... i though this was going to be another thread about pot...
With any luck, this will bring about the demise of the NCAA and college athletics as a whole. Then the schools can get back to the business of ejumakhashion.
But the american dream is becoming rich and successful via a career in athletics, acting or becoming a Disney princess. Making it big through technology and innovation threatens our corporate overlords and lets the communists win.
What about a career in innovative flatulence? I'm like the hydro-fracking of bio-methane production.
The Bio-methane industries dreams of that died with Dirt McGurk.
RIP Ian. I hope you are still keeping it weird in whatever dimension you landed in my friend.The Bio-methane industries dreams of that died with Dirt McGurk.
It's called keeping up with the kardashians and requires no education.
"All I ever need to be happy is gas" -Echo
Maybe that is the problem with my life. I don't seem to produce very much gaseous emissions.
Maybe that is the problem with my life. I don't seem to produce very much gaseous emissions.
How unfartunate! 
Ewe: Fresno State student arrested in sheep sexual assault
A Fresno State University student is facing sexual assault charges and a sheep is being monitored by veterinarians after a bizarre incident at the Central Valley school.
What is being referred to as the “sheep incident” has shaken up Fresno State after a student heard noises coming from a barn and found a 23-year-old man having sex with one of the ewes.
“It’s just kind of disgusting and revolting and personally makes me angry. I mean, why would you do that?” Marisa Burkdoll, a student who works with animals on campus, told the TV station. “It’s just kind of sick. It’s unnatural and the animals they can’t really, I mean they can’t defend themselves. They can to an extent but they’re innocent, you know what I mean?”
The unidentified student responsible for the deed told police he had drank alcohol and was stressed out about a midterm, but offered up no other defense of his actions, according to ABC7. He was arrested and charged with sexual assault of an animal, but has since been released from jail.
The sheep, one of many used for breeding at the school, was being treated by a veterinarian.
A Fresno State University student is facing sexual assault charges and a sheep is being monitored by veterinarians after a bizarre incident at the Central Valley school.
What is being referred to as the “sheep incident” has shaken up Fresno State after a student heard noises coming from a barn and found a 23-year-old man having sex with one of the ewes.
“It’s just kind of disgusting and revolting and personally makes me angry. I mean, why would you do that?” Marisa Burkdoll, a student who works with animals on campus, told the TV station. “It’s just kind of sick. It’s unnatural and the animals they can’t really, I mean they can’t defend themselves. They can to an extent but they’re innocent, you know what I mean?”
The unidentified student responsible for the deed told police he had drank alcohol and was stressed out about a midterm, but offered up no other defense of his actions, according to ABC7. He was arrested and charged with sexual assault of an animal, but has since been released from jail.
The sheep, one of many used for breeding at the school, was being treated by a veterinarian.
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Ag students. 
Newfoundland......
hey eric, any chance you could NOT post bestiality stories in an extra large font? some of us are in the office.
send it to your coworkers...you know you wanna.
Meh
The first website I saw was farmsex.com. Really weird, really...
In the 5th grade, while living in the mountains of NC, a kid asked during sex ed if it was ok to have sex with sheep.
The only difference now is that in CA, some chick is going to freak out about animal cruelty, but if she were Southern, she'd be glad that the sheep shagger was not interested in her.
The first website I saw was farmsex.com. Really weird, really...
In the 5th grade, while living in the mountains of NC, a kid asked during sex ed if it was ok to have sex with sheep.
The only difference now is that in CA, some chick is going to freak out about animal cruelty, but if she were Southern, she'd be glad that the sheep shagger was not interested in her.
This is a nice local bit O'news
A Rape on Campus: A Brutal Assault and Struggle for Justice at UVA
If that doesn't make you a little nauseated I don't know what will.
However the problem clearly isn't with UVA. A freshman girl recently went missing and whose body was eventually found in the woods. The suspect in question was a man of color. People were practically marching in the streets with torches and pitchforks asking for his head. The dirty little secret was he was accused of rape at Liberty University years ago and no legal action was taken, he was a football player.
Looks like shooting sprees are simply happening in the wrong place.
A Rape on Campus: A Brutal Assault and Struggle for Justice at UVA
If that doesn't make you a little nauseated I don't know what will.
However the problem clearly isn't with UVA. A freshman girl recently went missing and whose body was eventually found in the woods. The suspect in question was a man of color. People were practically marching in the streets with torches and pitchforks asking for his head. The dirty little secret was he was accused of rape at Liberty University years ago and no legal action was taken, he was a football player.
Looks like shooting sprees are simply happening in the wrong place.
Gads, you weren't kidding.
James Madison University Punished Sexual Assault With 'Expulsion After Graduation'
I am sure Jim-Bob Madison was a Bro and would have approved.
I am sure Jim-Bob Madison was a Bro and would have approved.
freakin virginia...the place where the dude put that girl's body in c'ville is like 1/2 a mile from a the sweet local trails at walnut creek park.
wifey still works for UVa from home and her email's all lit up with the University's response to the RS story. Sick thing is, I'm sure this could have been written about a lot of universities/frats.
wifey still works for UVa from home and her email's all lit up with the University's response to the RS story. Sick thing is, I'm sure this could have been written about a lot of universities/frats.
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Word on the street is that UVA is a pretty rapey place and ignoring the problem is the norm . Can't besmirch the good family name of a 3rd generation old money blue-blood just because he forcefully jammed his cock into some orifice of some low born girl who will contribute little more than her student loans.
Like Penn State, but with less of teh ghey.
Walnut was closed for quite a while during the investigation. Earlier this year a pretty experienced rider cut a major artery somehow and bled out on the trails. Rides there have a little different vibe now.
eeesh. poor walnut. place was only decent option there until you headed out to sherando or deeper into hills.
part of the problem is kids not learning self respect at an early age and having a ridiculous need for false social "approval"; that being said, rapey fuckers deserve to have their balls burned off.
part of the problem is kids not learning self respect at an early age and having a ridiculous need for false social "approval"; that being said, rapey fuckers deserve to have their balls burned off.
I love Sherando. Blue Ridge School is a great option for those of us north of town. Great trails, not supposed to ride there but if you the right people it isn't a problem. Preddy Creek is just a few miles from the house. Trails aren't worth a drive in from town but nice place to get a few turns in when time is limited.