Measels are an infidel plot
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He's just trying to turn muslim children into biological weapons.
I think the figures I saw indicated that 5 years of increased measles vaccinations had reduced cases of it by 60%. Of course it might be that the increase is due to the fact that anyone that could catch measles is killed in the block party being held in the Sudan.
But then again its not just Muslims that are stupified morons about it...
http://www.vaclib.org/
www.vran.org
www.avn.org.au
And I suspect there are some floating around here that probably didn't or won't get their children immunized against **** that could kill their kids.
I wonder how that helps you from being chopped in half by a machete. I bet it works wonders in keeping 7 year olds from being gang raped by 100s of "freedom fighters".
But then again its not just Muslims that are stupified morons about it...
http://www.vaclib.org/
www.vran.org
www.avn.org.au
And I suspect there are some floating around here that probably didn't or won't get their children immunized against **** that could kill their kids.
Like the socially conservative morons who won't get their daughters vaccinated against the Human Pappiloma Virus (that causes cervical cancer) because they think it leads to promiscuity?
This article is old... because the HP Vaccine is already available, but I am pretty sure there are idiots out there who don't want their daughter poked (in any form)
Linky
This article is old... because the HP Vaccine is already available, but I am pretty sure there are idiots out there who don't want their daughter poked (in any form)
Linky
I don't think the Gardasil vaccine should be mandatory at all. There is an element of personal responsibility lost through it's use. I'd rather see people use a condom if they knew someone had HPV instead of saying "I'm protected, so no sweat."
Not receiving MMR though? That's asanine.
My son didn't get that, I guess I am asanine (sic). He is getting the separate vaccines though.
Huh......
religious fundamentalists are morons.......
who'da thunk?
religious fundamentalists are morons.......
who'da thunk?
so.... how do we know?
If someone does know, do we always trust them to tell?
Do we demand test results before doin' the nekkid nasty?
I've known a few people who were seriously thinking about NOT telling their partners about some of the crap they had.
And..... If I was in the age bracket for the HPV vaccine, I would get it. THAT's personal responsibility. Looking out for yourself.
Nothing wrong with the separate vaccines. It was meant more of a thought that not immunizing your kids against these is asanine.
Well, if it's your choice to be vaccinated, then that's your personal responsibility.
Frankly, there's very little fear of STDs these days, and that's quite disturbing. This vaccine basically crosses another one off the list to worry about. It does, in a way, open the door to some other nasties that people can pick up from unprotected sex.
As for people telling others, I'd hope that if they are in a relationship they would say something. One night stands...all bets are off.
I'm sorry, but are you seriously arguing against the HPV vaccine because some people might have unprotected sex thinking they are safe from cervical cancer?
The more unvaccinated religious nuts in the world, the better.
It might be time to start spreading rumors that every vaccine has a tiny drop of Jewish blood in it.
For the evangelicals here in the US we can substitute negroid blood. That'll take care of the Southern Baptists, at least (except the black ones, of course...)
Idaho will be a wasteland in 10 years....
It might be time to start spreading rumors that every vaccine has a tiny drop of Jewish blood in it.
For the evangelicals here in the US we can substitute negroid blood. That'll take care of the Southern Baptists, at least (except the black ones, of course...)
Idaho will be a wasteland in 10 years....
while I agree about the " no more religious nuts" part, I kind of wonder about their children (who may not end up being religious nuts).
No, I'm arguing that it should not be a mandated vaccine. It should be entirely optional. I'm also arguing that there is a very lax attitude towards STDs in these younger generations, and this does not help those lax attitudes. Face it; these girls are NOT thinking about cervical cancer, they're thinking about genital warts. By saying "you will protected from the virus that causes genital warts and cervical cancer..." that's giving them one less STD to worry about.
Is the vaccine going to increase the incidence of STD infections by increasing promiscuity? Not statistically significantly, at least IMHO. However, I'm not a fan of ANYTHING being made a requirement because "the government knows what's best for you." The same way I don't believe banning trans fats in NYC was right, I don't believe making Gardasil a required immunization is right either.
I wonder if Jews and Muslims would be against an AIDS vaccine if it were made from pigs blood.
So it would kind like having bacon injected into your bloodstream? Now that would rule.
Are you against polio vaccines? How about measles and mumps? Do you realize that those things have popped back up in areas where people stopped vaccinating (for much the same reasons you are citing)?
If we have a way to make girls safer from certain maladies, then we should use it. The whole "They won't worry about STDs" argument rings completely hollow, since that's a side-product of abstinence only education, not vaccinations.
I am fully against the government making ANY heathcare decision mandatory for anyone. That does NOT mean that I think vaccination is a shoddy idea or concept. I will never support government requirement of vaccination at all. I very well realize that polio and other such pathogens have made a comeback in non-vaccinating places. That's a result of choosing not to vaccinate, and that's a personal choice. I can't condemn them for being more than stupid for not doing their research.
I don't believe that we need to be vaccinating against something that is (essentially) a sexually transmitted cancer. It's VERY preventable without the use of a mandated vaccination. I'm sorry, but if you're stupid enough to not protect yourself, it's not the government's job to force you to. If you choose to vaccinate yourself, fine, that's your protection. Congratulations.
And my final complaint with Gardasil is that it does not protect against all strains of HPV, so it's not entirely effective. According to the CDC, 10 of the 30 identified HPV strains can lead to cervical cancer, and the vaccine guards against 4 of them. NIH states that type 16 and 18 cause 70% of cervical cancers. 70% isn't good enough for me personally to warrant a vaccine.
My choice is to be smart, don't play roulette with it. My $.02, weather you agree with it or not.
But, you condemn their kids.
And, what about the girl whose parents don't tell her about it? She would have chosen it had she known. Or, maybe she won't choose it because her fool parents are against it thinking she will go and have unprotected sex (which is a silly claim.) And, when she does have unprotected sex, either by force or not, is it really her fault that she made the wrong choice based on indoctrination by her parents?
What? So what? It's effective against something. Your argument is like saying that soldiers shouldn't wear body armor because it's only effective at stopping bullets in certain areas. Since it doesn't stop bullets in all areas, then why wear it?
And, being smart would be to have the vaccination.
Again, I never said that it wasn't smart to be vaccinated. I said I find it repulsive that the GOVERNMENT is telling ME what I have to do to my body. You're changing the issue here as well. The issue was never with childhood disease vaccines, which are very necessary due to the developing immune system of an infant being unable to fight off pathogens. I wholeheartedly agree with the government endorsing these vaccines, but I don't believe it should be a LAW. THAT is my gripe. The government is should NOT be making health decisions such as that, in my eyes. That falls under the personal responsibility of the parents.
The vaccine in question is for teens, not for infants. Kids these days are smart enough to choose this if they are going to engage in risky sexual behavior. I agree with your comment that there's a problem of teaching abstinence in schools as opposed to sex ed. Many districts still do teach sex ed and teach young girls about STDs. So, knowing that, someone who is responsible enough to protect themselves in other ways (not by vaccinating) should be forced to vaccinate themselves? That makes absolutely no sense.
If I choose to expose myself to the risk, that's my choice. Similarly, if I don't want to receive a menigococcal vaccine prior to starting college, that's my risk as well. There's no harm done to people who are vaccinated, and people who are not have assumed the same risk as I did. So I guess that, by your logic, that specific vaccine should be absolutely mandatory and the government needs to protect me from myself and my decision? They know what's better for me?
I don't buy it.
Fair enough, as long as unvaccinated children forfeit their claim to Medicare and Medicaid, you've got a deal.
I apoligize, my bad. I misunderstood based on your argument about Gardasil not being protective enough.
If it isn't a law, then parents won't do it, and the kids suffer.
But, the kids should not have to suffer for stupid parents. The government is trying to protect those that can not protect themselves, kids. You're saying it is the parent's responsibility to protect the kids, but what happens when the parents won't protect their kids? I see an analogy to child abuse. Parents are supposed to protect their kids, not abuse them, so we have laws that say it is not all right for parents to beat children.
Because the law can't work on a case by case basis. Some kids are smart enough and have gotten good information, but many have not. They are being punished by that in a way.
But, it's not always your choice. If a girl gets raped, then what? And, let's be honest here, it's not always the girl's choice to get vaccinated or not, is it? In fact, it is 99% of the time the choice of the parents, not the girl. Plus, sickness and cancer affect us all, since we all pay a share towards the health of the people of this nation (as Silver pointed out so well above.)
I would not be opposed to the menigococcal vaccine as a mandatory vaccine to get into a state sponsored school. If there is an outbreak of meningitis, you and all who decided not to get vaccinated are affected by the sickness, but all taxpayers are affected by the cost. Plus, who is to say that some of the kids there don't have it simply because their parents were retards? Did they choose to take on the risk, or was it given to them by default?
Fair enough for me. I'd think that people who are smart enough to protect themselves from these easily preventable conditions would be smart enough to take care of themselves in other ways as well. Probably a pretty far stretch, but a reasonable supposition.
True that there are a few cases in which rape is the cause, but I'd say that the number is so minuscule compared to those who "willingly" contract the virus that it's not enough of a reason to vaccinate the entire population weather they want it or not. If we're a nation of majority rules, then it should apply here as well.
As for the meningococcal being mandatory, I can see that being the case if it's a state sponsored school, not a private institution. And I do know that it was my signature required on the meningococcal vaccination papers when I went to college. Being that must college students are of legal age to make decisions on their own, I'd imagine the same rings true for most college students. The same held true when I enrolled in grad school.
And I did refuse the vaccine both times, and both times I signed that I understood the risks thereof and waived my right to hold the institution responsible for any repercussions related to that decision. I'd really like to know if the same kinds of paperwork are given to college freshman girls who want the vaccine, or if this would be the case should it be made "mandatory". As far as I've heard, the majority of the people receiving Gardasil currently are college age women, which would assume they are of legal age to make their own choice.
It IS optional (you douche). In fact ALL vaccines are optional. You can opt OUT. The default is that you get it. This is the way it should be. The freaks have their panties in a wad because they want to parent other people's kids and use cervical cvancer as punishment for "immoral" behavior.
Fvck 'em. Fvck 'em right in their stupid asses.
You'd think wrong. The anti-vaccine crowd is made up of tinfoil hat people and fundies who think that credit cards are the mark of the beast and that Jesus rode a dinosaur to work putting up huts in Nazareth...
No it's not (you douche). It presents ZERO symptoms in men and no test exists for men, so a woman can NEVER know if her partner carries it. Unsurprisingly, some people have unprotected sex before their married (and probably crazy freaky group sex... not something like a long monogamous unmarried relationship). Do you now want to punish a "virtuous" woman with death for marrying a previously "unvirtuous" man?
Do you have ANY idea what the current infection rate is for HPV? I suggest you look.
Did getting a tetanus shot suddenly convince you it was safe to go play in old farm equipment?
The plan is to make it universally available and a default that is offered at middle school age. I didn't realize this but many women, despite being unvaccinated, have sex before college...
Name calling will get you no where. And knowing I've annoyed you has done more than anything today to make me smile. You douche.
I know very well the infection rate. CDC or NIH (one of the two, I don't remember which) estimates it at 20 million infected. Wear a rubber. Yeah, it sucks, but do it. As for a "virtuous" woman marrying a man-whore...marrying someone who doesn't reveal their sexual history to you is a strange thing to begin with. If there's a suspicion that the male has some form of STD, then GET THE VACCINATION!
What you've neglected is that I'm not arguing against the vaccine's USE, but against it's REQUIREMENT for ALL women. Howabout a lesbian couple that both test negative for HPV? Should they be required to get the vaccine as well?
You douche.
The original discussion was to make them absolute requirements that every human female should receive, regardless of any objection.
Hell yes I'd opt out of it. I opted out of meningococcal for no other reason that I didn't feel it necessary. I haven't had tetanus in 15 years either.
And cervical cancer is no punishment for "immoral" behavior. I never once said that. I said that it should NOT be a mandated vaccine, but an optional vaccine, and should never be mandated.
If I want to punish you for "immoral" behavior, I'll strap you to a chair and make you watch Michael Jackson sodomize a child.
You douche.
I chuckled.
Again (and for the umpteenth time) I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm anti-government telling me what vaccines I must have. And Jesus rode a pterodactyl to work, I'm sure of it.
You've got to be kidding. No one proposed that, nor would it ever be possible. You're welcome to make up hypothetical absolutes to argue against, but it seems kind of silly to me.
If/when people say "mandatory" they're talking about a default vaccination, which of course you can opt out of, as you should well know having apparently opted out of some vaccinations.
That's like saying capital punishment is OK, even if we hang a few innocent people, because there are only a few cases where that happens. So, how many innocents are you willing to sacrifice? What about the people who do believe Jesus lived with dinosaurs and won't let their daughter get the vaccine? What about her? Does she really have a choice in it?
What? Who said it's a man-whore. He might have had sex one time and gotten it. Is he then a man-whore? And, as Ohio said, how would he know he had it? She could ask him if he has it, and he wouldn't know. And, maybe he did use a condom and it broke, but he thinks he's safe.
I believe that a few vaccines are required if you want to attend public schools though. So, one can opt out, but the government reserves the right to withhold services.Ohio said:
1. It's voluntary and that's all anyone ever argued for. What's advocated is the recommendation of the vaccination.
2. See number 1
3. Can be spread through casual junk contact. Traditional intercourse (in the clinton sense) is not required and therefore condoms don't do it.
4. See number 1
5. You're kind of a douche for not realizing 1-4 and then complaining about it.
And do some research on the test procedures for men. You'll understand why it's estimated that close to 75% of adults will have it in their lifetime.
If you'd like clarification, I don't think it should even be default. It should be by request of the parent and child only.
And another interesting problem is that most people don't realize that you can opt out of vaccines. They're simply told "your child will get this" and it's given. There's no mention of opting out unless the parent brings up such a circumstance (religious reasons) or if the child proves to be allergic to vaccine components.
And frankly, there are a lot of things out there for which booster vaccinations are unnecessary as well. Pertussis is one that comes readily to mind, as does influenza. Yes, in certain populations these are very necessary. In a normal, healthy individual, these are unnecessary and natural exposure and immune response is certainly preferable (to me anyway, I'd rather keep my body's defenses strong naturally) to an attenuated strain of some pathogen.
Religious reasons. The state must provide schooling even if the student has a religious reason for not possessing certain vaccinations. I went to school with a kid like that. I'll admit...he was odd.
You didn't read the thread. Go back and read it. I know about test procedures (the distinct lack of FDA approved procedures). If 75% of adults will have it, enjoy your genital warts. Some people are smart enough to be careful.
lthumbsdown:
You mean request of the parent in 99% of all cases. The parent chooses, not the child.
I think that's a good idea. Make the parent do homework in order to figure out how to make their kid less safe.
And, it's already been pointed out that not all kids wait until 18 to have contact with the opposite sex.
Why put the onus on the young women out there? Like they don't have enough to worry about already? Why not make it default and let them opt out just like every other vaccine?
That may very well be. Our gov. puts up with a lot of sh*t simply not to offend religious sensibilities.
How do you know that you don't have it? Have you been tested? Can you trust the test? How do you know you didn't get it from rubbing against some chick?You didn't read the thread. Go back and read it. I know about test procedures (the distinct lack of FDA approved procedures). If 75% of adults will have it, enjoy your genital warts. Some people are smart enough to be careful.
The best part about this is that if you decline to vaccinate your child for "purity" reasons, she could easily stay a virgin until marriage, have sex with only her husband, and still get infected with HPV and die of cervical cancer.
edit: If you can't figure out how that could possibly happen, see kidwoo's post right below this one.
If that doesn't spell out Christ like love from the parents, I don't know what does. Do any Christians pay attention to what Jesus thought about the Pharisees?
edit: If you can't figure out how that could possibly happen, see kidwoo's post right below this one.
If that doesn't spell out Christ like love from the parents, I don't know what does. Do any Christians pay attention to what Jesus thought about the Pharisees?
You didn't read the thread. Go back and read it. I know about test procedures (the distinct lack of FDA approved procedures). If 75% of adults will have it, enjoy your genital warts. Some people are smart enough to be careful.
Show me where you mentioned the procedures involved in the male test for HPV and I'll mail you the beer of your choice.
And also:
I'm not sure what bubble you live in where you think you've demanded the sexual history of everyone (both of them?) you've gotten nekkid with, regardless of ensuing hydraulics.
But keep on arguing against your percieved gubbamint control. I don't have the patience for you.........
Good thing playing on farm equipment is immoral behavior; undisciplined kids that play on old farm equipment and get a rusty pitchfork up their ass deserve to get lockjaw and die. That will teach them a lesson.