[DRB]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6585161/

Justices are considering whether sick people in 11 states with medical marijuana laws can get around a federal ban on pot.

Paul Clement, the Bush administration's top court lawyer, noted that California allows people with chronic physical and mental health problems to smoke pot and said that potentially many people are subjecting themselves to health dangers.

"Smoked marijuana really doesn't have any future in medicine," he said.

Justice Stephen Breyer said supporters of marijuana for the ill should take their fight to federal drug regulators — before coming to the Supreme Court, and several justices repeatedly referred to America's drug addiction problems.


I wonder if Renquest's current bout with cancer would have any effect on his decision?

 

[BurlyShirley]

This is a very easy argument to sum up.

If MJ is a viable medecine, let it be prescribed by doctors. Who cares?

But everyone knows that the average medicinal MJ supporter is only in it because he sees at as one step closer to legalizing the drug for recreational use. I mean, I dont see these people out there pushing for other medecines to be legalized.

 

[ohio]

This is a very easy argument to sum up.

If MJ is a viable medecine, let it be prescribed by doctors. Who cares?

But everyone knows that the average medicinal MJ supporter is only in it because he sees at as one step closer to legalizing the drug for recreational use. I mean, I dont see these people out there pushing for other medecines to be legalized.

Of course there are people fighting for the legalization of other drugs. Why do you think there are folks flying to Canada and South Africa for drugs and treatments? Because the FDA hasn't yet approved them for use in the US. The difference is those are highly processed drugs or involved treatments, which makes them impossible to obtain in the US without FDA approval. So people lobby to expedite the FDA approval process. That doesn't apply to MJ which is easy to obtain.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Of course there are people fighting for the legalization of other drugs. Why do you think there are folks flying to Canada and South Africa for drugs and treatments? Because the FDA hasn't yet approved them for use in the US. The difference is those are highly processed drugs or involved treatments, which makes them impossible to obtain in the US without FDA approval. So people lobby to expedite the FDA approval process. That doesn't apply to MJ which is easy to obtain.

Gimme a ****ing break Ohio. Of course there are some people lobbying for different drugs of this kind and that, but it doesnt take a genius to see that these medicinal marijuana supporters that just come out of the woodwork as here on RM are supporting this legislation for other reasons than what's best for glaucoma patients.

 

[Silver]

Gimme a ****ing break Ohio. Of course there are some people lobbying for different drugs of this kind and that, but it doesnt take a genius to see that these medicinal marijuana supporters that just come out of the woodwork as here on RM are supporting this legislation for other reasons than what's best for glaucoma patients.

So? What do you have against glaucoma patients? If it works, it works. Like I said in the lounge thread, I've used cough syrup to get high...there isn't much of a push to get that off the shelves.

 

[BurlyShirley]

So? What do you have against glaucoma patients?

WTF are you even talking about?

 

[Silver]

You're more worried about people getting high than you are about people who are suffering. How very compassionate of you.

 

[BurlyShirley]

You're more worried about people getting high than you are about people who are suffering. How very compassionate of you.

What part of

If MJ is a viable medecine, let it be prescribed by doctors. Who cares?

are you too stupid to understand?

 

[Silver]

The part where you rail against anyone who supports medicinal marijuana because they happen to be a bunch of stoners...if that isn't a backhanded endorsement, I don't know what it.

 

[DRB]

The part where you rail against anyone who supports medicinal marijuana because they happen to be a bunch of stoners...if that isn't a backhanded endorsement, I don't know what it.

Don't you to a certain extent see that there are folks out there supporting this for reasons other than the medical benefits cited. I wouldn't say most but there is certainly a large percentage that fall into that category. And to some extent I think they do more harm than good.

 

[ohio]

Don't you to a certain extent see that there are folks out there supporting this for reasons other than the medical benefits cited. I wouldn't say most but there is certainly a large percentage that fall into that category. And to some extent I think they do more harm than good.

Yes.

But the fact is, it is a cheap and viable treatment. Laws are already in place for people that abuse or illegally distribute prescription drugs. Medicinal MJ (if the FDA approval process is applied as it would to any other drug) shouldn't be treated any differently than Ritalin.

 

[Silver]

Don't you to a certain extent see that there are folks out there supporting this for reasons other than the medical benefits cited. I wouldn't say most but there is certainly a large percentage that fall into that category. And to some extent I think they do more harm than good.

I definitely agree with that. I just don't think that is important at all to the issue.

 

[Echo]

I think the main thing is, nobody gives a rat's ass about the legality of pot except two groups.

Group 1: people who need it for medical purposes. Population: probably under 50,000.

Group 2: people who use it recreationally. Population: probably about 10 million.

So yes, the fact that many people who use it recreationally jump on a soapbox every time the subject of medicinal use comes up does affect the opinions of anyone who is not in one of those two groups. To the average person who doesn't fall into one of those categories, it just looks like hippies making noise.

 

[BurlyShirley]

To the average person who doesn't fall into one of those categories, it just looks like hippies making noise.

Well said, but beyond that, it actually IS just pot smokers making noise, as your numbers show. What bothers me about all of this is not the concept of medicinal MJ at all. Im fine with that. What bothers me is the fraudulent compassion and all the BS that accompanies it. The bogus moral high ground stoners try to take to push their little chemical agenda. Its kind of sad, really, when you see what people will stoop to for some drugs.

 

[dan-o]

If you have half a brain it is incredibly easy to: 1) source pot 2) grow your own pot 3) enjoy pot without affecting others 4) avoid getting into trouble due to using/possessing pot. All this crap does is keep pot on the minds of your average person long enough for them to form an actual opinion about it. I know two guys with medical pot prescriptions. Neither have any medical problems, just doctors in the family and lots of friends.

Now hemp clothing, that's another story and a possible solution to all the worlds problems!

 

[Changleen]

What bothers me is the fraudulent compassion and all the BS that accompanies it. The bogus moral high ground stoners try to take to push their little chemical agenda. Its kind of sad, really, when you see what people will stoop to for some drugs.

Why is it necassarily fraudulent? Or has your level of general hatred reached such a level you can't believe that some people might actually be concerned for the welfare of others? What makes their 'moral highground'(?) 'bogus' anyway? Isn't it the facts of the situation that give rise to the moral map?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Why is it necassarily fraudulent? Or has your level of general hatred reached such a level you can't believe that some people might actually be concerned for the welfare of others? What makes their 'moral highground'(?) 'bogus' anyway? Isn't it the facts of the situation that give rise to the moral map?

Did you hear the stoner masses celebrating when Vioxx or Ephedra were banned? Did LLkoolKegg start a thread about how great it was that Claritin was finally hitting the market? Dont be retarded.

 

[valve bouncer]

Saying that people only support medical dope because they wanna get wrecked is about as dumb as saying people are pro-gun because they wanna shoot people. Such reasoning is the product of simple minds.

 

[DRB]

Saying that people only support medical dope because they wanna get wrecked is about as dumb as saying people are pro-gun because they wanna shoot people. Such reasoning is the product of simple minds.

No more simple minded than to think that only those that support medical dope do so for their love of their fellow man.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Saying that people only support medical dope because they wanna get wrecked is about as dumb as saying people are pro-gun because they wanna shoot people. Such reasoning is the product of simple minds.

Not the same. Its the same as saying people are pro-gun because they want to shoot guns recreationally, instead of just in self defense.

I find it odd that you equate smoking marijuana to killing people though.

 

[Changleen]

Ah, Compasionate Conservatism....

 

[Jeff 151]

Vioxx and Ephedra were banned because of potentially lethal side effects. Old ladies have other arthritis meds and athletes have plenty of other ways to juice. If a little reef is the best way to dull the constant pain of a terminal condition, then as a fellow human being I would support a patient's right to it. Valve bouncer's analogy is a good one Burley Shurley. He is in no way equating smoking to killing. Sure some people are going to have alterior motives for supporting medical weed. But to imply that they're all selfishly motivated, without the ability to empathize with another's suffering is wrong.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Vioxx and Ephedra were banned because of potentially lethal side effects. Old ladies have other arthritis meds and athletes have plenty of other ways to juice. If a little reef is the best way to dull the constant pain of a terminal condition, then as a fellow human being I would support a patient's right to it. Valve bouncer's analogy is a good one Burley Shurley. He is in no way equating smoking to killing. Sure some people are going to have alterior motives for supporting medical weed. But to imply that they're all selfishly motivated, without the ability to empathize with another's suffering is wrong.

Holy God learn to read.

 

[Jeff 151]

scuse me?

 

[valve bouncer]

No more simple minded than to think that only those that support medical dope do so for their love of their fellow man.

I support medical ganja because people who are suffering should be able to take whatever they damn well want to relieve their suffering. If an offshoot of that is that the recreational consumption of dope becomes more acceptable then that's just an added bonus in my book. I would imagine the vast majority of dope smokers who support medical dope would think this way.

 

[valve bouncer]

I find it odd that you equate smoking marijuana to killing people though.

Only you would make that connection Shirley, most others choose not be so deliberately obtuse as you.

 

[ohio]

Not the same. Its the same as saying people are pro-gun because they want to shoot guns recreationally, instead of just in self defense.

I agree with both arguments.

The big question is, what are the true proportions of those with good intentions vs. those with selfish ones? Additionally, how many of those people are being honest with themselves about their own motivations?

So yes, I think we should ban both guns and mary j. Or legalize both. I'm happy either way, so long as we're not being hypocritical.

 

[Silver]

We also get to see how committed the conservative justices are to "States' Rights" when that doesn't happen to be code for racism. Should be interesting...

 

[TheInedibleHulk]

If what my father, a doctor, tells me is true, the majority of the medical community agrees the marijauna is not a necessary drug and the conditions it is prescribed for have better drugs already on the market. It does have side effects and is really not generally healthy. Changleen, Im afraid we part ways on this one, medical marijuana supporters really are just a bunch of potheads. That said, I dont even necessarily think MJ should be illegal at all, but this movement is BS.

 

[Changleen]

No, I agree. I just like ****in with Shirley.

Me smoke da weed, da weed, da weed
Till me eyes a bleed, a bleed, a bleed.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

I support medical ganja because people who are suffering should be able to take whatever they damn well want to relieve their suffering. If an offshoot of that is that the recreational consumption of dope becomes more acceptable then that's just an added bonus in my book. I would imagine the vast majority of dope smokers who support medical dope would think this way.

i think old old folks, like 80s-90s in bed 90% of time should be able to play with psychotropics. to diminish their pain of life, or actually to play.

like, what else could you do at that age?? there is nothing to worry for, anyway you are overdue... better have some fun with psychotropics.....

for them, i see nothing wrong with the use of MJ. recreational or medicinal.

 

[fluff]

Not the same. Its the same as saying people are pro-gun because they want to shoot guns recreationally, instead of just in self defense.

So given that people are talking about legalising it for medicinal purposes only what is your problem? It would remain illegal for recreational use.

 

[Echo]

So given that people are talking about legalising it for medicinal purposes only what is your problem? It would remain illegal for recreational use.

I think you just made his point for him.

 

[fluff]

I think you just made his point for him.

He had one?