melting ice, rising waters
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movement <> melting
but movement seems to suggest faster melting.
might make for weaker hurricanes/cyclones if i'm correct in that it will lower water temps (at least for a few decades, then it's **** all come the reckoning)
isnt movement a sign of a healthy glacier? Meaning theres enough new snow and ice at the top to begin with so that it can "travel".
Movement can be caused by several things, one being more snow pushing a glacier along. The reality is that most moving glaciers are now moving because additional melt water lets them slide easier.
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Back from the 70s - Its Global Cooling:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2008-09-09-farmers-almanac_N.htm
Oh what will all the alarmist do now?
Wait did Al Gore say we were all gonna be dead in like 2 or 3 more eyars or something. :huh:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2008-09-09-farmers-almanac_N.htm
Oh what will all the alarmist do now?
Wait did Al Gore say we were all gonna be dead in like 2 or 3 more eyars or something. :huh:
That gets balanced out by cheese producing cattle that graze on those same grounds.
Normally I'd cite brilliant parody but based on your other posts, I'd guess you're actually taking a USA Today article quoting the Farmer's Almanac for scientifically accurate climate prediction.
um.
fail.
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No he really did say this " ..we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe ..." In his little global fear monger movie.
you are a dumbass.
better site for space weather: http://spaceweather.com/
on balance, a no-sunspot month only means that for the 30% or so of the surface which is observable (parallax prevents polar & nearly tangential observations, and of course there's the "dark side" of the sun), there were no sunspots which were of significant size to be categorized.
oh, page down a little on the left side of the space weather page. see "current auroral oval"? that was one of the many implementations in coordination w/ noaa up in boulder i did @ my last gig for the air force weather agency.
the disturbances the sun offers up are more in the magnetosheath & are involved w/ the vast spectrum of radio. direct & causal surface earth weather? not so much. i think we have a few million yrs before we should concern ourselves w/ that.
ed: cme's (coronal mass ejections) aren't a significant factor either. recall that if the sun is a cue ball, we are a little smaller than a bb & are 2-3 football fields away. and some parting trivia: the hottest place from the sun isn't @ the surface, but a million or so miles out (3 yd line in above analogy). weird, huh?
on balance, a no-sunspot month only means that for the 30% or so of the surface which is observable (parallax prevents polar & nearly tangential observations, and of course there's the "dark side" of the sun), there were no sunspots which were of significant size to be categorized.
oh, page down a little on the left side of the space weather page. see "current auroral oval"? that was one of the many implementations in coordination w/ noaa up in boulder i did @ my last gig for the air force weather agency.
the disturbances the sun offers up are more in the magnetosheath & are involved w/ the vast spectrum of radio. direct & causal surface earth weather? not so much. i think we have a few million yrs before we should concern ourselves w/ that.
ed: cme's (coronal mass ejections) aren't a significant factor either. recall that if the sun is a cue ball, we are a little smaller than a bb & are 2-3 football fields away. and some parting trivia: the hottest place from the sun isn't @ the surface, but a million or so miles out (3 yd line in above analogy). weird, huh?
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Cool link - reading... Thanks.
No really, pretend you understand $tinkle's post.
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Hey $tickle. What do you make of this:
"But the jury is still out on how much sunspots can (or do) affect the Earth's climate. Times of maximum sunspot activity are associated with a very slight increase in the energy output from the sun. Ultraviolet radiation increases dramatically during high sunspot activity, which can have a large effect on the Earth's atmosphere. From the mid 1600s to early 1700s, a period of very low sunspot activity (known as the Maunder Minimum) coincided with a number of long winters and severe cold temperatures in Western Europe, called the Little Ice Age."
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/fsd/astro/sunspots.php
"But the jury is still out on how much sunspots can (or do) affect the Earth's climate. Times of maximum sunspot activity are associated with a very slight increase in the energy output from the sun. Ultraviolet radiation increases dramatically during high sunspot activity, which can have a large effect on the Earth's atmosphere. From the mid 1600s to early 1700s, a period of very low sunspot activity (known as the Maunder Minimum) coincided with a number of long winters and severe cold temperatures in Western Europe, called the Little Ice Age."
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/fsd/astro/sunspots.php
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Is there a "Tap Root" or will it always be a collective. ( I think the latter )
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Got a real answer? I was asking because you seem knowledgeable in the department.
they don't just give custom titles to anyone, you know.
ok, on the real tip (i was a jackass b/c i had to cut it short for a meeting), i don't have a good answer, and i don't think anyone really does. look at the complexity & necessary computing power behind simulated modeling for single-day local weather events. to maintain that kind of accuracy on a larger scale requires what isn't yet available: stable data.
it's a witches brew, but i wouldn't expect we should be so pompous to think we have the power to "reverse" it. it'll do what it does & we are but dust
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Yea I can agree with that. I do however thing that the lack of solar activity will make for a nice winter! 
Go Snow ( I ride a Roam SDS when there is too much snow for an Iron Horse ).
Thanks.
Go Snow ( I ride a Roam SDS when there is too much snow for an Iron Horse ).Thanks.
i have never seen that movie, nor do i ever plan on watching it voluntarily.
i was more referring to the fact that you believe that the farmer's almanac is an accurate source when it comes to climate forecasts.
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I am hoping for snow like where you live in VA
The science certainly isn't conclusive but it does point strongly to human generated greenhouse gas causing warming. It might be worth waiting around and seeing what happens if it wasn't for the fact that we are in a bit of an energy crunch. It makes sense to do something about it to solve one problem and possibly take car of another. When I say do something about it I'm not talking about short term solutions like upping oil production or bulldozing a mountain top to get at some crappy coal. Long term solutions, the type that we all seem to dislike. 15 years ago the doomsday scenario was the O-zone layer, few thought we could do anything about it but we did.
...brought to you by the same people who put soot on the ice caps in the 70's to fend off the imminent ice age 
Good point....brought to you by the same people who put soot on the ice caps in the 70's to fend off the imminent ice age
I'm going to sit on my ass, learn nothing and do nothing too.
...brought to you by the same people who put soot on the ice caps in the 70's to fend off the imminent ice age
...and everyone knows that the technology, science and personnel haven't changed or advanced one bit in the last 30+ years. These are probably the same assholes who said the earth was flat too. What a bunch of retards.
People should continue to bolster their denial with anecdotal observations, Al Gore insults and the completely unfounded opinions of untrained conservative internet bloggers who are clearly the only ones that understand the truth.
hey now, the al gore insults are completely acceptable.
by the way, i never said i didn't believe or support what's going on, i just find the creative methods to "fix" the problem rather amusing.