What if the bb doesn't move as much as you think it does?
Mick Hannah on Mongoose
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I am only saying that because I thought similar things about the bb as you, before I rode with Romo on his new Boot'r over here in Switzerland. It moved way less than I thought and was not a problem that your feet are moving independently from the hands. It is just enough to fine tune pedal kickback/pedaling.
I say this because I thought bad things and now I don't. The only issue for me, with this design, is rear end stiffness.
The high single pivot seemed to gobble sh!t up.
I say this because I thought bad things and now I don't. The only issue for me, with this design, is rear end stiffness.
The high single pivot seemed to gobble sh!t up.
from what i heard he was meerly testing the ride, to give feedback etc.
This is totally useless, but what the heck. Transcend, feel free to delete this post if it's too much.
2. Nice grammar work. See #5 below.
4. Poorly formed sentence (see #2 and #5). Also, you have repeatedly implied that you are of the opinion that the bike design is not only "totally flawed" on paper, but that it is, in fact, inferior in execution.
5. Yeah. I hope the bike industry hasn't added "progressional theoretical" to its nonsense jargon vocabulary. But it being the bike industry and all...wait, was that a grammatical mistake or a typo? Maybe someone should point it out. Done.
6. WTF? The results from real world testing are usually considered the meaningful metric in the success of a real world application.
Seriously, if you want to discuss engineering concepts in a civilized way, ask some questions. There are a good number of of very smart people here who are often very helpful. If you'd rather go nutty with a bit of incomplete knowledge and the idea that you know better than everyone, TITPB. g'luck
1. What you mean to say is that whether or not you have ridden the bike in question has no impact on the potential validity of your "points." The actual validity of your points is another matter entirely.
2. Nice grammar work. See #5 below.
3. As others have pointed out, the most logical main goal in long travel suspension bicycle design would be to make a fun, efficient platform that the rider can control. Delivering control and efficiency is not the same as "isolating the rider from terrain".
4. Poorly formed sentence (see #2 and #5). Also, you have repeatedly implied that you are of the opinion that the bike design is not only "totally flawed" on paper, but that it is, in fact, inferior in execution.
5. Yeah. I hope the bike industry hasn't added "progressional theoretical" to its nonsense jargon vocabulary. But it being the bike industry and all...wait, was that a grammatical mistake or a typo? Maybe someone should point it out. Done.
6. WTF? The results from real world testing are usually considered the meaningful metric in the success of a real world application.
Seriously, if you want to discuss engineering concepts in a civilized way, ask some questions. There are a good number of of very smart people here who are often very helpful. If you'd rather go nutty with a bit of incomplete knowledge and the idea that you know better than everyone, TITPB. g'luck
Neethling won a National in 2005 on a Turner...a national with a lot of big dogs there (Mick, Greg Minnaar, Kirkaldie, etc...) He has not WON a major race on the mongoose. He has more consistent results on a mongoose, but perhaps that is maturity AND the fact Goose pays for ALL his expenses to EVERY race and a nice salary vs his Turner HONDA days that were on a shoestring budget. Plus Needles has moved on to another team.
Just sayin....
Neethling IS consistent on 'Goose...but perhaps he's NOT getting better and perhaps thinks a new steed will change that...? It's all speculation and it's none of our concern. We have NO IDEA and should just let it be.
I love being able to click on every single Mongoose thread and there's ALWAYS that one stupid tool who hasn't ridden the bike, but has done all the doodles on paper and claims it doesn't work. ALWAYS.
We can't argue with these guys. There is no winning. And to these people I would like to apologize, we can not change your mind for you, you will have to do that yourself. And obviously you would like it to be changed or you wouldn't be fighting it so diligently. You're hoping to be proven wrong.
You will find no "fanboys" here. I like to think of most Mongoose riders as those who've tried many, many other bikes and have finally landed here. I'm on my 3rd Mongoose now and I'm going nowhere. I feel the company's customer support needs a little work, but the bikes make that less of an issue as I don't have parts falling off them. In fact...I don't think I've EVER had a problem with them. A few quickly-remedied soft pivot bolts in the early bikes, that was about it.
JCL...Don't be THAT guy, dude. Since you like paper so much, do this: Sit down and design your perfect bike. Write down all your angles, heights, degrees, etc. Also look for the little details, the things that make it obvious that the bike you're looking for was built by someone who's actually ridden a bike. Things like cable routing, shock access, choice of components, whatever. Now go shopping. Make sure you swing by the Mongoose site and compare some numbers.
You're in a 7 page thread with no allies...doesn't that say ANYTHING to you?
I love being able to click on every single Mongoose thread and there's ALWAYS that one stupid tool who hasn't ridden the bike, but has done all the doodles on paper and claims it doesn't work. ALWAYS.
We can't argue with these guys. There is no winning. And to these people I would like to apologize, we can not change your mind for you, you will have to do that yourself. And obviously you would like it to be changed or you wouldn't be fighting it so diligently. You're hoping to be proven wrong.
You will find no "fanboys" here. I like to think of most Mongoose riders as those who've tried many, many other bikes and have finally landed here. I'm on my 3rd Mongoose now and I'm going nowhere. I feel the company's customer support needs a little work, but the bikes make that less of an issue as I don't have parts falling off them. In fact...I don't think I've EVER had a problem with them. A few quickly-remedied soft pivot bolts in the early bikes, that was about it.
JCL...Don't be THAT guy, dude. Since you like paper so much, do this: Sit down and design your perfect bike. Write down all your angles, heights, degrees, etc. Also look for the little details, the things that make it obvious that the bike you're looking for was built by someone who's actually ridden a bike. Things like cable routing, shock access, choice of components, whatever. Now go shopping. Make sure you swing by the Mongoose site and compare some numbers.
You're in a 7 page thread with no allies...doesn't that say ANYTHING to you?
Yeah, I remember hearing that Mick was on Banshee and was thinking "WTF!?" Not to take away from Banshee, I just don't think they're a race-oriented company yet.
Mongoose is a MUCH more suitable home for him. Now we can all just sit back and see what the boy will do!
And I agree with getting his sister on board! Turn her loose!
Mongoose is a MUCH more suitable home for him. Now we can all just sit back and see what the boy will do!
And I agree with getting his sister on board! Turn her loose!
he was just testing the frame & riding it for the Angelfire Burner race. I also stated that he was still looking for a ride for '09 (at that time)
JLC you are getting owned by everyone including EC and people who are very picky about what bikes they like. I personally have ridden VPP's, DW links, FSR's, 4 bars, and single pivots and owned a fsr and 4 bar and a single pivot and the mongoose was my favorite. Get out there and ride one, then come bitch about how it doesn't work if you still don't like it.
I can't wait to hear your first crash report from your new bike.
Can you tell us what team is?
Your daughter has a race team now??? What kind of allowance are you giving that kid?
HAHA
it has not been announced yet what team he will be going to?Can you tell us what team is?
My crash reports are epic. Hopefully there will be less of those next year. Let's say complete 10 races with out crashing. That would be amazing. I only completed one with out something going wrong this year. Damn tree's.
stik, that right there is funny!Your daughter has a race team now??? What kind of allowance are you giving that kid?
HAHA
I'd ride a goose. BUt i'm one of those people that will ride anything if the price is right. I'd even ride a llama downhill since it's probably cheaper to get it new shoes instead of DH tires.
I usually can't afford the newest and coolest bike out for the season. So i just get whatever i can afford and get used to it. I think most people on this forum are good enough riders that they can adapt to certain things when they ride.
i had a teocali comp as a trail bike before. I never noticed the pedals kicking up at all. Probably just because i didn't see a fancy diagram of it working before my eyes. The bike just worked and i loved it. Sometimes it's better when you don't know all of the technical mumbo jumbo because you don't think about it so much. You just ride it. I'm pretty sure i could get used to riding the DH version if i had to.
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I usually can't afford the newest and coolest bike out for the season. So i just get whatever i can afford and get used to it. I think most people on this forum are good enough riders that they can adapt to certain things when they ride.
i had a teocali comp as a trail bike before. I never noticed the pedals kicking up at all. Probably just because i didn't see a fancy diagram of it working before my eyes. The bike just worked and i loved it. Sometimes it's better when you don't know all of the technical mumbo jumbo because you don't think about it so much. You just ride it. I'm pretty sure i could get used to riding the DH version if i had to.
EC. Beeson says "hi".
And the choir goes wild....
I've even noticed that since I got back into building trucks and my own dezert racer that suddenly my bike is exactly even more perfect for me. Perhaps if I can stay off the intraweb I can stop needing a new bike every spring. Wonder what it's like not having to get accustomed to a new bike for the first half of every season...?
haha. Yeah. I'm don't have an engineering mind. Not even close. Most of the time when i get a new bike, i don't even ask friends about them. I just try to find out how reliable they are. Then i decide if it's a good enough deal or not. Hell. I ride a Kona Stab Deluxe just because i couldn't pass up the deal. It works fine for me since i don't know how the bike is "supposed" to work or feel. I just have it set up how i like it and i ride it (the fork feels great and the rear shock is PUSHED).
But then again, i'm not much of a racer either. I'm not trying to be the fastest guy on the mountain. Too many pinners out here that make sure i won't be the fastest.
But then again, i'm not much of a racer either. I'm not trying to be the fastest guy on the mountain. Too many pinners out here that make sure i won't be the fastest.
Correct, if my old-style DHi died today I'd go and buy a Mongoose (since the carbon GT won't be available till at least April).
Sorry but i dont know if someone has commented on this all ready but I agree! the Boot'r build is amazing most people would be stoked to get that nice of a build, w/o frame, for that price. You are getting a WC race proven bike for that price. Its is super sweet to see Mongoose doing this, it is really great for our sport.
does anyone know the retail price on the
Nugget?
Boot'R Team?
Nugget?
Boot'R Team?
My mate just got the boot'r and he rates new, they probably about R32000($3300), although he got it at cost as a team rider. That may be a little more than it actually is as most stuff over here is a little more than you can get it in the states.