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Israel's Nucular* Capability

*Copyright George W Bush

Of course it's OK 'cos we like Israel and Sharon's a reasonable bloke after all.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Yeah, those bloodthirsty Jews... They are ALWAYS trying to take over the MidEast and swearing to destroy the Arab states that surround their tiny nation with chocolate filled Hanukkah coins and dreidels.

Bastids...

 

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Yeah, those bloodthirsty Jews... They are ALWAYS trying to take over the MidEast and swearing to destroy the Arab states that surround their tiny nation with chocolate filled Hanukkah coins and dreidels.

Bastids...

What, just like Iran?

 

[LordOpie]

I still don't know how Vanunu only got 18 years. If that situation happened in the USA, he'd have gotten the death penalty.

Other states in the Middle East, many of them strong supporters of the Palestinian cause...

Well then, offer them a home and a life with a future.

 

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Well then, offer them a home and a life with a future.

What's wrong with giving them some of where they came from?

 

[Slugman]

What's wrong with giving them some of where they came from?

I mentioned this in another post a while ago... but can't find it.

A VERY large section of Jordan (if not the entire thing) is land that was originally set aside for the palestinians.

So why is it that Isreal is the only ones that have to give back land?

 

[Toshi]

slugman, please provide a source, and a date for this. who set aside the land? lord balfour?

 

[LordOpie]

Let's step back a moment and paint a very B&W picture...

You've got a group of people who are being oppressed and killed.

You've got other countries saying they care.

Within this B&W picture, why are they still being killed? Why are they not being offered a place to live by the other countries?

EDIT: For this B&W picture, let's say the country killing them has no interest in stopping.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Within this B&W picture, why are they still being killed?

Uh...because no one with sense sympathises with people who blow up buses full of women and children

I dunno. Tell me.

 

[Slugman]

slugman, please provide a source, and a date for this. who set aside the land? lord balfour?

Couldn't find my original post (images are gone too). However a quick Goolgle search and: http://contenderministries.org/middleeast/timeline.php

1922
•Britain granted Mandate for Palestine (Land of Israel) by League of Nations
•Transjordan set up on three-fourths of the area, leaving one-fourth for the Jewish national home
•Jewish Agency representing Jewish community vis-a-vis Mandate authorities set up.


Yup, Balfuor. I guess I don't understand the ""... was the Brittish government wrong to help establish a new state? No one seemed to object at the time.

Regardless of that, Jordan still took most of the land... so why are they never held accountable? Why is it the Jews only?

And if land is to be returned to it's righfull owners, then germany and poland had better clear out for all the returning jews... Northern Ireland needs to start packing... and I hope someone can figure out which country this mutt is going back to...

 

[fluff]

So why is it that Isreal is the only ones that have to give back land?

The displaced people are those that came from land within what is now Israel.

Land annexed by Jordan is not denied to the inhabitants... nor are their basic rights.

 

[fluff]

Let's step back a moment and paint a very B&W picture...

You've got a group of people who are being oppressed and killed.

You've got other countries saying they care.

Within this B&W picture, why are they still being killed? Why are they not being offered a place to live by the other countries?

EDIT: For this B&W picture, let's say the country killing them has no interest in stopping.

Do they want to live in these other countries you mentioned?

The theory is that should these 'other countries' give them some land then they have effectively condone Israel's annexation of the Palestinian Land.

 

[LordOpie]

The theory is that should these 'other countries' give them some land then they have effectively condone Israel's annexation of the Palestinian Land.

well then, by all means, let the killing continue... how very nice of those other countries.

 

[fluff]

well then, by all means, let the killing continue... how very nice of those other countries.

Hmm, the main killing is between Israeli's and Palestinians. Perhaps they should solve the problem. Some outside help would be nice. Perhaps located somewhere neutral. Say, Oslo?

 

[LordOpie]

Hmm, the main killing is between Israeli's and Palestinians. Perhaps they should solve the problem. Some outside help would be nice. Perhaps located somewhere neutral. Say, Oslo?

I guess the "support" from arab countries as mentioned in the above article is fake

 

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I guess the "support" from arab countries as mentioned in the above article is fake

I think it's probably fair to say no one is trying very hard to find a solution at present... Too many people with vested interests in keeping the conflict going.

The problem is that the ultimate outcome is not clear.

 

[Changleen]

It may not be fake, but I doub't it matches the amazingly ludicrous amount given to the Isrealis by the US... Unless these amounts were more even it doesn't really help much. The US also pay Jordan and Egypt to not rock the boat, so that's 2 of the richer neighbours down, and Saudi is the US's Friend too, the US spends $100 Billion on oil there per year. Not many left to seriouslt help now... Oop, there goes Iraq...

 

[fluff]

It may not be fake, but I doub't it matches the amazingly ludicrous amount given to the Isrealis by the US... Unless these amounts were more even it doesn't really help much. The US also pay Jordan and Egypt to not rock the boat, so that's 2 of the richer neighbours down, and Saudi is the US's Friend too, the US spends $100 Billion on oil there per year. Not many left to seriouslt help now... Oop, there goes Iraq...

Do you have a point?

The aid is not so much of a problem as the attitude. The US is in a position to do a great deal to bring about a solution but is not interested in doing so. That's much more of an issue than the aid given.

 

[SebringMGB]

its kinda a stretch, but what would you do if the Native Americans decided they wanted say, 50% of thier land back?.....

 

[Changleen]

Do you have a point?

The aid is not so much of a problem as the attitude. The US is in a position to do a great deal to bring about a solution but is not interested in doing so. That's much more of an issue than the aid given.

Oh, I totally agree. Israel has been chastised so many times about it's behaviour by the world community and various independant bodies, but whenever anyone goes to do anything about it, there is always a US veto or blockage of one sort or another waiting in the wings. "In total, the US has blocked 35 draft resolutions on Israel" - R. Website.

 

[fluff]

I was not trying to start another thread for bashing Israel and Jews worldwide.

What I was hoping would be picked up in this thread is the clear double standard applied to Middle Eastern nations regarding Nuclear Weapons programmes. After all, there is talk of invasion of Iran due to their partial lack of co-operation with nuclear weapons inspection yet Israel seem to be given a free hand just a few hundred miles away.

This lack of consistency will fatally undermine US foreign policy in the Middle East and needs to change.

 

[valve bouncer]

Let's step back a moment and paint a very B&W picture...

You've got a group of people who are being oppressed and killed.

You've got other countries saying they care.

Within this B&W picture, why are they still being killed? Why are they not being offered a place to live by the other countries?

EDIT: For this B&W picture, let's say the country killing them has no interest in stopping.

Loopie it's a fair point, but the Palestinians do have an attachment to the land there. If your family has had a house, or land, or business in the area for generations, you are of course disinclined to leave. To take the analogy further there are Jews that don't wanna leave their countries even though the perfectly good land of Israel is available ( - I didn't mean you when I thought of this point but in kind of fits and you know I'll never miss a chance to fire one in your direction ) The point is, even though perhaps there are places the Palestinians could possibly go, why should they?
Your point does however remain valid....i.e- the Arabs countries are mostly full of piss and wind.