250 or 500 gallon tank?
Tired. First HVAC quotes came back. $26K & $30K. And that's doesnt include the cost of a propane tank and install..
Oof. I knew it might be high, but not that high. Let's see what companies 2 and 3 yield.
Probably 500 since it'll be used for heat. Word is they'll provide an aboveground tank for free, you pay if you want it buried.250 or 500 gallon tank?
I looked it up and the tax credit for air source heat pumps expired with the new year. It was only $300 anyway.
Tired. First HVAC quotes came back. $26K & $30K. And that's doesnt include the cost of a propane tank and install..
Oof. I knew it might be high, but not that high. Let's see what companies 2 and 3 yield.
That is the word with my propane supplier here. I have a 1000 gallon that as long as I buy gas from them they leave here. This is Ag use and I burn about 4-5000 gallons in a month so could be different for a home.Probably 500 since it'll be used for heat. Word is they'll provide an aboveground tank for free, you pay if you want it buried.
Yuck, hope you feel better dude.Fever for the last 12 hours, still cant taste or smell anything, mucus is like bearing grease, headaches are pretty much constant. Will be looking forward to this shit being over with.
nailed down dates for the islands, now surfing airbnb's
Part the issue is having 80s sized ducts. I can't go heat pump only cause the ducts don't flow enough CFM. So I need a heat pump + propane furnace. Best of both worlds and the cost of it too!I looked it up and the tax credit for air source heat pumps expired with the new year. It was only $300 anyway.
there’s still a tax credit if you go for the big boy ground source system!
/me is being driven to Empire, where I’ll take over from the wife. Ski day with just her for three Wednesdays in a row
I'd prefer to bury it so I don't have a mini-zeppelin hanging out in my side yard.That is the word with my propane supplier here. I have a 1000 gallon that as long as I buy gas from them they leave here. This is Ag use and I burn about 4-5000 gallons in a month so could be different for a home.
Build a pretty fence around it. Save your costs now, while the budget is tight and deal with the cosmetic vs. functionality later.Part the issue is having 80s sized ducts. I can't go heat pump only cause the ducts don't flow enough CFM. So I need a heat pump + propane furnace. Best of both worlds and the cost of it too!
I'd prefer to bury it so I don't have a mini-zeppelin hanging out in my side yard.
Probably 500 since it'll be used for heat. Word is they'll provide an aboveground tank for free, you pay if you want it buried.
Build a pretty fence around it. Save your costs now, while the budget is tight and deal with the cosmetic vs. functionality later.
60 inches or R-60? 60 inches of insulation would be something like R-150!@Adventurous
@eric strt6 has a really good point around insulation. If you're going to be replacing electrical or doing work that has you exposing behind plaster/drywall on the outer walls, insulate the living hell out of that place. Xcel gave us a pretty substantial discount to get it sealed up and have insulation up to 60 in the attic put in. We could have gotten the outer walls done too, but that was rich and would have required drywall and painting work afterwards. Our winter gas costs have gone down by ~15% and that's after the gas px increases.
That is a "do while accessible" project. Cosmetic projects would come second to that.
Got the propane guy coming out for a quote next week, assuming they'll know all the permit requirements and such. But part of why I was leaning towards a 500 gallon was the ability to add a propane generator. Not sure how frequently the power goes out, but we are off a main road, so presumably priority wouldn't lie with us first.Check the permit requirements. I know that in CA it's a major hassle to get the ok for a 500. That said I had a 250 for the house in the mountains. I would go through 3 to 4 refills a year. That was heat, cooking and hot water for a 2200 square foot house. I did have R45 attic insulation and double pane window's through out. Depending on where you are and how often the power goes out look into a propane generator plumbed to the propane tank with an ATS at the house
Sadly, we are serviced by a small, municipal electricity provider, so no real incentives to do anything. The larger utilities in the state have very generous offer for insulation, hvac systems and the like, but not us.@Adventurous
@eric strt6 has a really good point around insulation. If you're going to be replacing electrical or doing work that has you exposing behind plaster/drywall on the outer walls, insulate the living hell out of that place. Xcel gave us a pretty substantial discount to get it sealed up and have insulation up to 60 in the attic put in. We could have gotten the outer walls done too, but that was rich and would have required drywall and painting work afterwards. Our winter gas costs have gone down by ~15% and that's after the gas px increases.
That is a "do while accessible" project. Cosmetic projects would come second to that.
Winter time temps get too cold where I live to rely solely on a heat pump, hence the need for a propane furnace to pick up the slack as the heat pump loses efficiency. So the HVAC folks say.#StopBurningStuff?
Can’t you get ‘normal’ heat pumps in the US? This sort of thing?:
No need for any propane…
We'll usually have maybe 3-5, 3+ day long stretches throughout the winter where low temps are around or below 0.How long is it below that sort of temp? Sheesh and Brrr!
Also in really cold places isn’t a ground/bore heatpump the best practice?How long is it below that sort of temp? Sheesh and Brrr!
I presume you mean 0°F? Indeed the limit for an air sourced heatpump. But ground sourced can basically work anywhere. I understand they are fairly popular in the wilds of Canada.We'll usually have maybe 3-5, 3+ day long stretches throughout the winter where low temps are around or below 0.
My initial desire was to do a heat pump alone, but it doesn't sound like that's realistic.
Indeed, sorry. Fahrenheit.I presume you mean 0°F?
You seem them more often these days. But it's still really expensive when compared to our electricity cost.I presume you mean 0°F? Indeed the limit for an air sourced heatpump. But ground sourced can basically work anywhere. I understand they are fairly popular in the wilds of Canada.
Did you consider wood or pellets stove for those colder days?My initial desire was to do a heat pump alone, but it doesn't sound like that's realistic.
Yes, I did. We actually have a wood burning fireplace at the moment. I was going to replace that with an insert for ease of use (wife's request, not mine, doubt she'd use a wood or pellet stove), but I'd still be faced with burning something.Did you consider wood or pellets stove for those colder days?
I have a ground-source heat pump. Works really well! Only drawback is that, in the garden in the area where the pipes are burried, deep-rooting trees cannot be planted. Total electricity consumption is even with the heat pump fairly low. But I also keep my place fairly cold, 20 °C/68 °F.Also in really cold places isn’t a ground/bore heatpump the best practice?
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