Nothing wrong with voluntary prayer. I pray on a volunteer basis everyday. But why should a government entity have anything to say about prayer?BurlyShirley said:What's wrong with "voluntary" prayer? People shouldnt be allowed to pray?
Good thing there's never been a negative effect of justifying killing and pillaging through christianity. I mean the recognition is "justified"........the role is "positive". Can't argue with that.religious displays on public property are not a coalition of church and state, but rather the justified recognition of the positive role that Christianity has played in this great nation of ours
Who knows. They passed a bill that said "voluntary prayer" is ok. Maybe someone tried to outlaw that.Ciaran said:Nothing wrong with voluntary prayer. I pray on a volunteer basis everyday. But why should a government entity have anything to say about prayer?
Doesn't the lisence plate say:sanjuro said:Hate buddists, jews and muslims? move to Missouri!!!
Being from MO (I lived there for the first 29 years of my life) it's not really anything to get excited about..........there's a little bit of good single track.......but that's about it.Ciaran said:Of course if the religious fundies want Missouri they can have it. It's not like I need it for anything.
I thought they wanted South Carolina?Ciaran said:Of course if the religious fundies want Missouri they can have it. It's not like I need it for anything.
Exactly. I don't understand why prayer, voluntary or mandatory, needs to be explicitly allowed as long as it is not disallowed. Do it on your own when you can. I do not disagree with the right for an individual to pray in school, but I do not trust any level of government to be assisting this in any way...same goes for education about religion- I agree with the principle, even in public schools, but I doubt the ability of our governments to do this in a fair and balanced way.Old Man G Funk said:They are trying to codify that god exists. They think the founding fathers were Christians. They think that they need to codify that voluntary prayer is legal, when it is enshrined as a right in the First Amendment, and also part of the state constitution.
marketing.Tenchiro said:I wonder why christians can't just close their eyes, pray and STFU.
Because sometimes we like to do it out loud, and people complain because they think their rights are being violated. However, I think separation of church and state goes beyond just not pushing a Christian God, but not pushing any god at all. Period. True separation means that there is no government involvement in religious causes, and considering how subjective that can be, I think our government has done a pretty good job so far.Tenchiro said:I wonder why christians can't just close their eyes, pray and STFU. Nobody would be the wiser, or really care for that matter. It wouldn't matter if they were in a government building or a public school, they would get their time with their god and everyone would be happy.
Amen.kinghami3 said:However, I think separation of church and state goes beyond just not pushing a Christian God, but not pushing any god at all. Period. True separation means that there is no government involvement in religious causes...
I agree...................LordOpie said:marketing.
Ive told you a 100 times. Pray all you want you still wont win the lottery till you buy a ticket. dumbass!Ciaran said:Nothing wrong with voluntary prayer. I pray on a volunteer basis everyday. But why should a government entity have anything to say about prayer?
Very true.Andyman_1970 said:I agree...................
Jesus Himself says don't be all "showy" when you pray.......
Yeah, but when have Christians listened to Jesus?Andyman_1970 said:I agree...................
Jesus Himself says don't be all "showy" when you pray.......
It's What Would Jesus Do.Silver said:Yeah, but when have Christians listened to Jesus?
It worked for those televangelists. Now all I need is a white suit and a bad hair-do.The Amish said:Ive told you a 100 times. Pray all you want you still wont win the lottery till you buy a ticket. dumbass!
Sadly you're right............Silver said:Yeah, but when have Christians listened to Jesus?
Just as a point of clarification, I am of the opinion that this separation of church and state deal may have gotten a bit out of hand. The state is involved all the time with religion in ways we see clearly and ways we do not. The purpose of the laws we have is not total separation but, rather, to stop the establishment of a state religion. Often, protecting against one means doing the other, but they are not equivalent nor does our government operate as if they are.kinghami3 said:Because sometimes we like to do it out loud, and people complain because they think their rights are being violated. However, I think separation of church and state goes beyond just not pushing a Christian God, but not pushing any god at all. Period. True separation means that there is no government involvement in religious causes, and considering how subjective that can be, I think our government has done a pretty good job so far.
Well, a white suit anyway. And you'd have to start lying about your other unholy habits.Ciaran said:It worked for those televangelists. Now all I need is a white suit and a bad hair-do.
thanks for the link. just signed upOld Man G Funk said:
If you don't lie about your unholy habits -- and they'd better be a bit freaky -- then you can't be a televangelist.Changleen said:Well, a white suit anyway. And you'd have to start lying about your other unholy habits.
(Goth girls, 29ers, Martinis...)
The good Lord made goth girls and so it is good.Changleen said:Well, a white suit anyway. And you'd have to start lying about your other unholy habits.
(Goth girls, 29ers, Martinis...)