It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not. It doesn't matter if the law is just there to "protect the rich". It's still illegal, Missy knew that what she was doing is illegal, she deserves to pay the price IMO. The "Free Missy" site isn't going to help anything either.
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It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not. It doesn't matter if the law is just there to "protect the rich". It's still illegal, Missy knew that what she was doing is illegal, she deserves to pay the price IMO. The "Free Missy" site isn't going to help anything either.
So, what's you're saying is anything that is a law is just & should be followed to the letter?
Well, you come across as one of those 'law & order, lock em' up & throw away the key' types...
I thought you were a conservative, but you're just an a$$hole, ok my bad.
People such as yourself with a deep seeded need to blindly serve authority are the bane of free thinking people everywhere, without your kind we wouldn't find ourselves the slaves to the corporations & the rich that we've become.... please, for the sake of humanity, sterilise yourself.
This subject is always entertaining. The rational is amusing, partly because while I was sitting around pulling tubes in college engaging in these "intellectual" conversations, I used the same rational. The reality is, while claiming that siding with the law is a black and white mentality, the opposing arguments are quite close minded themselves.
Victimless crime? Let's face it, weed is not the most motivational substance out there. And while it is not true of every individual, there is a fair amount of people collecting unemployment or other government provided funds that are sitting around smoking weed all day. I would argue that people who are paying their taxes and working their asses off are victims in this case. And, anybody who thinks that people who are only dealing weed are these Puff the magic dragon, jingle jangle morning types are not looking to deeply. At the higher levels, there are certainly guns, violence and everything else you can imagine involved. Here in NH, a Vietnamese ring was recently busted. They were buying up houses in the 350k range and filling them with plants...no body even lived at any of them. They were caught when an ice storm moved through and line repairmen found lines patched into the power lines so the meters wouldn't show excessive electricity use. How, if you are being honest with yourself, can you consider dealing victimless?
I have nothing against people that smoke, I've had friends that have sold bags here and there but I am also not going to lie to myself to justify something out of convenience. Laws are laws and if you want the advantages of living in this country, then you have to work through the proper avenues or accept the consequences.
I don't know if she is guilty or not, but it doesn't look good at this time. If she was busted with 15 plants, or so, in her back yard that she was using for personal use only, then I might be inclined to feel sympathetic. But, if it turns out that she is guilty, with 400lbs and that kinda cash...it's time to lie in that bed.
Victimless crime? Let's face it, weed is not the most motivational substance out there. And while it is not true of every individual, there is a fair amount of people collecting unemployment or other government provided funds that are sitting around smoking weed all day. I would argue that people who are paying their taxes and working their asses off are victims in this case. And, anybody who thinks that people who are only dealing weed are these Puff the magic dragon, jingle jangle morning types are not looking to deeply. At the higher levels, there are certainly guns, violence and everything else you can imagine involved. Here in NH, a Vietnamese ring was recently busted. They were buying up houses in the 350k range and filling them with plants...no body even lived at any of them. They were caught when an ice storm moved through and line repairmen found lines patched into the power lines so the meters wouldn't show excessive electricity use. How, if you are being honest with yourself, can you consider dealing victimless?
I have nothing against people that smoke, I've had friends that have sold bags here and there but I am also not going to lie to myself to justify something out of convenience. Laws are laws and if you want the advantages of living in this country, then you have to work through the proper avenues or accept the consequences.
I don't know if she is guilty or not, but it doesn't look good at this time. If she was busted with 15 plants, or so, in her back yard that she was using for personal use only, then I might be inclined to feel sympathetic. But, if it turns out that she is guilty, with 400lbs and that kinda cash...it's time to lie in that bed.
Not exactly, but I don't understand why people expect her to be set free, when she smuggled 400lbs of a clearly illegal substance into the US.
thank you.. great response. my best friend (practically a brother to me) is involved in the drug trade business as well as let's just say "defense" issues....the legal side. you would not believe the **** these drug cartels are up to. i've said it before on RM, i'll say it again...it's usually not just weed..a lot more is involved. 99% of the time the story you get on the news is not even close to what happened and what else was involved. 400lbs of weed goes a lot higher up than just missy that's for damn sure.
If I had to deal drugs, the last place I would do it is the USA.
I must say theres some horrible/nasty comments on here about Missy. Im sure you guys wouldnt say it to her face.....
Im very anti-drug though. I dont think people should judge until they get the full facts.... I still feel sorry for her , if she is found guilty.. she will spend a long long time in jail for that sort of stuff...
In an offpoint, Canabis is not harmless, it really really ****s with teenagers mental development. Where I grew up. any of the kids I knew that smoked canabis, through their teens, all have problems they are all messed up paranoid heads or moved onto harder stuff and died. Canabis is the last thing Id ever want a kid of mine messing with its worse than cocaine etc.. thats as far as long term damage goes.
For adults it kills motivation and is a waste of time.
I must say theres some horrible/nasty comments on here about Missy. Im sure you guys wouldnt say it to her face.....
Im very anti-drug though. I dont think people should judge until they get the full facts.... I still feel sorry for her , if she is found guilty.. she will spend a long long time in jail for that sort of stuff...
In an offpoint, Canabis is not harmless, it really really ****s with teenagers mental development. Where I grew up. any of the kids I knew that smoked canabis, through their teens, all have problems they are all messed up paranoid heads or moved onto harder stuff and died. Canabis is the last thing Id ever want a kid of mine messing with its worse than cocaine etc.. thats as far as long term damage goes.
For adults it kills motivation and is a waste of time.
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So, if the government made ice cream illegal & you were caught with it, you should be locked away for 40 years?
Should we follow every foolish law imposed on us?
We certainly are awash in them...
You talk about ignorance then spew these kinds of fallacies? Read up on your history here chief. Yes, loss of profits for certain companies is one of the theories in regards to its criminalization. But there's no real logic in that argument, as if it were de-criminalized, a whole new sub-segment of horticulture would emerge. Pharma companies could stand to make billions as primary investors. I'm sure they could find a more than a few uses for medical grade THC. Anesthesiology comes to mind as one. Even the paper industry could actually benefit form the use of hemp, as you get greater fiber yield (and hence more paper) per acre of hemp vs trees.
The Marijuana Act of 1937 was what got the ball rolling in regards to the criminalization of pot, but it only levied a tax on anyone who dealt with it commercially. The guy who wrote the bill was going to attempt to have it banned, but was pressured by southern states along the Mexican border. At the time, illegal immigrants coming in from Mexico were often caught carrying marijuana (not much different than today). But because they were caught and hadn't paid their weed tax, they could be arrested (and also deported).
That's because the vast majority of people who do enough coke to permanently fvck with their heads don't last long enough to study the long term effects.
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Here's a good article on how Marijuana became illegal, as usual the United States government applied common sense to the situation...no sensationalism or demonization or special interests were involved & a fair, sensible & just law was created.
(Yes, that's sarcasm folks)
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
If ice cream was for some reason illegal and I was caught with it I would expect to serve the time. It doesn't matter why something is illegal, if you break the law serve the time.
Agreed. We certainly have an abundance of BS laws but that needs to be addressed legislatively. But it's a very slippery slope to want to selectively follow certain existing laws while ignoring others.
I have no ill will towards Missy specifically, but I wonder if this thread would pan out the same if it was some random amateur schmoe nobody ever heard of getting busted instead of a popular icon of the sport?
People cite the Donte whateverhisnamewas guy getting 30 days for DUI manslaughter but honestly, aren't some of you advocating the same thing - Missy getting a slap on the wrist for a major felony? (And yes, her case is not as grave a crime as his was, but stay objective here).
I absolutely positively guarantee that you have done something illegal in the last week, and have commited a felony in your life. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Look, there is a reason that you don't pick a case like this, or the kid with the helicopter, as the face of marijuana legalization.
As far as the sympathy meter goes, I have approximately zero for Giove...especially compared to this guy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/us/12pot.html?ref=global-home
As far as the sympathy meter goes, I have approximately zero for Giove...especially compared to this guy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/us/12pot.html?ref=global-home
Yes, I probably have. And if I was caught I would expect to serve whatever sentence I'm supposed to. Missy broke the law and now she has to serve the time. What's so hard to understand about that?
As I've aid earlier, Missy was not acting as a "freedom fighter", to bring weed to the oppressed public. I thing someone used the term Robin Hood. She did this in lieu of getting a real job.
I have...just over two years ago
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182698
That is pretty much the system you sign up for by living in a society. You don't lie it, go live in the woods.
I hope she does not end up in jail. She's not a violent dangerous criminal...
Best of Luck to Her. Sucks she chose to go down this road... You can't move that much weight on a regular basis without people noticing...
I hope our government will fix these situations where unnecessary people are being imprisoned and we are paying for it.
Sucks all around.
Best of Luck to Her. Sucks she chose to go down this road... You can't move that much weight on a regular basis without people noticing...
I hope our government will fix these situations where unnecessary people are being imprisoned and we are paying for it.
Sucks all around.
Some of you need to grow a conscience.
I'm bored so I'll bite.
Interesting THEORY but here is a FACT: Dealing drugs deemed to be illegal=consequences.
Conscience, yes let's look at that. It seems that some would say we are spending rediculous amounts of money to "fight the drug war", money that could be used to better society and not drain on the tax payers. Interesting that blame is placed on the legal system and not the individuals that DECIDE to break laws. Is it not true that this money would not be spent if individuals made better choices...if they chose not to break these laws?
Who does drug trafficking benefit? If I am being conscious of my surroundings I would realize that the billions of dollars being spent in this trade are free of income tax. Like it or not these taxes are used to support our society here in the U.S, be it in the form of health care, infrastructure ect. So basically you have individuals that are benefitting from what the majority of our law abiding society is paying for while pocketing profits for themselves. How is that conscious; You pay, I'll play?
It doesn't matter if you think smoking is right or wrong. It doesn't matter if you think the law is some sort of conspiracy, it is a law and if you are conscious of how our society works, there are responsible choices you need to make.
There are many countries that have far more severe consequences for such offenses. There are also many countries that have none. If weed is that important to you, do your research and choose a place that best suits you so you can live your life "freely". If you choose to stay here, don't bitch and spout this BS argument; accept the consequences, and or, devote your life to changing things through the proper avenues.
Interesting THEORY but here is a FACT: Dealing drugs deemed to be illegal=consequences.
Conscience, yes let's look at that. It seems that some would say we are spending rediculous amounts of money to "fight the drug war", money that could be used to better society and not drain on the tax payers. Interesting that blame is placed on the legal system and not the individuals that DECIDE to break laws. Is it not true that this money would not be spent if individuals made better choices...if they chose not to break these laws?
Who does drug trafficking benefit? If I am being conscious of my surroundings I would realize that the billions of dollars being spent in this trade are free of income tax. Like it or not these taxes are used to support our society here in the U.S, be it in the form of health care, infrastructure ect. So basically you have individuals that are benefitting from what the majority of our law abiding society is paying for while pocketing profits for themselves. How is that conscious; You pay, I'll play?
It doesn't matter if you think smoking is right or wrong. It doesn't matter if you think the law is some sort of conspiracy, it is a law and if you are conscious of how our society works, there are responsible choices you need to make.
There are many countries that have far more severe consequences for such offenses. There are also many countries that have none. If weed is that important to you, do your research and choose a place that best suits you so you can live your life "freely". If you choose to stay here, don't bitch and spout this BS argument; accept the consequences, and or, devote your life to changing things through the proper avenues.
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Legal Consequences:
On-duty deputy sheriff falls asleep at wheel, kills two roadies. penalty: 20 weeks of community service and a demotion
NFL player, driving drunk, kills pedestrian. sentence: 30 days in jail and possible league suspension
Drunken driver hits car carrying an Angels pitcher, killing him and two others. indictment: 3 counts of murders
Our legal system is not, "Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200". There are several factors involved with case, possession with the intent to distribute just one of them.
This is true. Silly Missy.
Though this 'War on Drugs' is being executed in completely the wrong way. Gorvernments, US and Worldwide, are doing it wrong.
The way to do it is to legalise ALL drugs, and distribute them to anyone that wants them. They should endorse growers/manufacturers and buy off them. Charge users a fair price, and do it for cheaper than street dealers. This will price the street dealers out of the game, drugs would get proper controls over quality (and thereby be safer) and the governments get all the money (billions of $$££$$££ Worldwide) from selling it and will then have all that revenue to spend on worthwhile things like education and healthcare. Everyone wins except the street dealers. Result!
All they need to do is educate people truthfully about the consequences of the use and let them make their own choice as to whether to do them or not.
The oversimplification, and assumptive assertions are on par with any Forks thread in recent history.
Guns and Violence inevitable due to the scale? somewhere along the line? Clearly those making this comment havent the foggiest clue; however one would have to incirminate themselves to effectively counter that nonsense.
Rationalizing & judging without the benefit of evidentiary knowledge.
Opine, do not assert, for it is the ultimate flaw in this barrel of conjecture.
Guns and Violence inevitable due to the scale? somewhere along the line? Clearly those making this comment havent the foggiest clue; however one would have to incirminate themselves to effectively counter that nonsense.
Rationalizing & judging without the benefit of evidentiary knowledge.
Opine, do not assert, for it is the ultimate flaw in this barrel of conjecture.
But what about health, I think having a government that sells drugs to almost everyone is a bad idea, it will make drug cartels and trafficking a thing of the past, but at what price? You can see alcoholism, tabaquisim and other legal drug problems eating health systems in all the world, i think that if drugs were legalized there might be less people in jails but more people in hospitals and cemeteries
Well that would be one way to curb overpopulation eh?
Yes it is, its interesting how nature controls human population, drug resistant diseases, self-destructive behaviors, although its not interesting at all when it happens to you or your relatives
do you honestly think more people would use drugs if they were legal? those that use, already use, those that don't, don't.....
That's why they need to properly educate people about the consequences of drug use.
Then they can make up their own mind and no one else is to blame.
Natural selection in all it's glory.
Then they can make up their own mind and no one else is to blame.
Natural selection in all it's glory.
I think the numbers might go up, i believe there might be people like me that will do their best to avoid using any ilegal drugs because they are scared of what might happen, either justice-related or health issues. I've seen lots of my friends climbing the alcoholism ladder, i think something like that might happen with drugs
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But i mean, educating people for simple matters like math is proving to be a difficult thing, you can also see how education is failing when there are lots of teenage pregnancy.
Public education already tries to educate children on the dangers of drug abuse, i don't know what else can they do if drugs were legalized.
Oh i correct myself, if drugs were legal there will be better scientific studies on how drugs affect our body, i think thats one of the problems with steroids, nobody really knows how harmful they are because they're ilegal.
I'm going the throw another wrinkle into this.
My wife is on a doctor prescribed drug called Sativex for pain from fibromyalgia. It's legal in Canada. Not covered by insurance. But guess what it is?
My wife is on a doctor prescribed drug called Sativex for pain from fibromyalgia. It's legal in Canada. Not covered by insurance. But guess what it is?
Cannabinoids!
This is all silly! The fact of the matter is she did something that knowingly would land her in jail for a long time. You don't drive 400 lb. of Marijuana and not think
"if I get caught can I handle the time"?
I think marijuana should be legalized but, it doesn't mean I would haul something like this for 50 ft. - She is in deep to be at that level and have that trust put in by whomever she received this from. The best thing she can do is get a good lawyer and take the punishment.
Better off spending a few more years in jail than looking over your shoulder the rest of your life!
If you're at this level you can't rat out your source and make him out as the bad guy when you're rolling around with 400lbs. nobody is forcing you to do it!
What is sad is that our justice system will probably sentence her for longer than crimes on unwilling victims or violence!
Whether you think smoking pot is bad for your health or not the people it is affecting are willing participants of doing damage to their own bodies.
The time should fit the crime! But, if she got spanked on the hand with a Mike Vic length sentence it would make others think that carrying a truck load of illegal substance and making thousands easily - to be a pretty good risk to turn over ratio?
Weed is a topic that could be argued for days and days though....
It is proven to be safer in about every way than cigs and drinking yet still a crime
that is taken so seriously! I'm talking about smoking it or small personal quantities not 400lbs.
But, funny how in Cali I can have some aches and pains and get a note to let me blaze freely!
In my town a seed, stem etc. up to an ounce gets you arrested, drivers license suspended for a year regardless to whether or not you're driving.
1000 dollar + fine and a year or two probation with random pea test that if you fail you can serve the rest of your probation in jail.
All kinds of other fees and reinstatement cost when you eventually get your license back.
They can ruin your life over a joint when the cop busting you has most likely used at some point.
Then like a few counties away from me you can get busted with less than an ounce in your car when you get pulled over then get a 75 dollar ticket and loose your sack.
Drive off and just pay the ticket in the next month and never even have to appear in court.
Maybe she'll get a pot liberal, mountain bike riding judge!
"if I get caught can I handle the time"?
I think marijuana should be legalized but, it doesn't mean I would haul something like this for 50 ft. - She is in deep to be at that level and have that trust put in by whomever she received this from. The best thing she can do is get a good lawyer and take the punishment.
Better off spending a few more years in jail than looking over your shoulder the rest of your life!
If you're at this level you can't rat out your source and make him out as the bad guy when you're rolling around with 400lbs. nobody is forcing you to do it!
What is sad is that our justice system will probably sentence her for longer than crimes on unwilling victims or violence!
Whether you think smoking pot is bad for your health or not the people it is affecting are willing participants of doing damage to their own bodies.
The time should fit the crime! But, if she got spanked on the hand with a Mike Vic length sentence it would make others think that carrying a truck load of illegal substance and making thousands easily - to be a pretty good risk to turn over ratio?
Weed is a topic that could be argued for days and days though....
It is proven to be safer in about every way than cigs and drinking yet still a crime
that is taken so seriously! I'm talking about smoking it or small personal quantities not 400lbs.
But, funny how in Cali I can have some aches and pains and get a note to let me blaze freely!
In my town a seed, stem etc. up to an ounce gets you arrested, drivers license suspended for a year regardless to whether or not you're driving.
1000 dollar + fine and a year or two probation with random pea test that if you fail you can serve the rest of your probation in jail.
All kinds of other fees and reinstatement cost when you eventually get your license back.
They can ruin your life over a joint when the cop busting you has most likely used at some point.
Then like a few counties away from me you can get busted with less than an ounce in your car when you get pulled over then get a 75 dollar ticket and loose your sack.
Drive off and just pay the ticket in the next month and never even have to appear in court.
Maybe she'll get a pot liberal, mountain bike riding judge!
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getting some sense back in the thread. Bravo.
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