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No, how so? Sorry I don't follow your reasoning..?
I am not anti-drug.
I am anti criminalisation of drugs, and pro choice.
Are there big illegale alcohol producing organizations? Why would there be so with regards to Marijuana?
yes, peopel are in it for profit, even at the lower levels, this is a capitalist sicuety, the vast majority of people are driven to some degree by a desire for capital wealth. Were it legalized, the major capital profits will be to businesses who are init for the money. That is both normal and reasonable.
"The majority of people who drink do not binge drink" - I would call this a reasonable assumption, still an assumption. I disagree with the notion that they dont get 'high' - they may not be roaring drunk, but they are certainyl inebriated. It is a false assumption that all smokers are heavy smokers, or that they pursue or achieve ectreme high's moreso than there alcohol imbibing contemporaries (avoiding the inevitable cross section and corraling each into their own arena.)
Another example: From 1988-1990 I was an apprectice to a cabinetmaker, we did mjor work in some high profile homes, and were referred to a new client in same building by Timothy Hutton. The neighbor was a husband and wife, here the director of MSKCC (memorial sloane kettering cancer center) and he some laterally significant role in the field of cancer research. Enormously successful leaders who would come home to a daily ritual of a joint (openly smoked in front of us 'laborers').
On the same note, a close family member was an alcoholic from age 19-64, he was the director of architecture at a major state school, president of the board of Fontainbleau, on the board at many NY museums. All the while a 5th+ a day drunk. Plenty of family problems, several wrecked cars, but successful.
Like a gun not killing people, people kill people -- it is not the drug, it is the user. Plenty of people use alcohol and drugs without abusing them, but the light is shone where the dirt lies, so thats what the masses infer.
yes, peopel are in it for profit, even at the lower levels, this is a capitalist sicuety, the vast majority of people are driven to some degree by a desire for capital wealth. Were it legalized, the major capital profits will be to businesses who are init for the money. That is both normal and reasonable.
"The majority of people who drink do not binge drink" - I would call this a reasonable assumption, still an assumption. I disagree with the notion that they dont get 'high' - they may not be roaring drunk, but they are certainyl inebriated. It is a false assumption that all smokers are heavy smokers, or that they pursue or achieve ectreme high's moreso than there alcohol imbibing contemporaries (avoiding the inevitable cross section and corraling each into their own arena.)
Another example: From 1988-1990 I was an apprectice to a cabinetmaker, we did mjor work in some high profile homes, and were referred to a new client in same building by Timothy Hutton. The neighbor was a husband and wife, here the director of MSKCC (memorial sloane kettering cancer center) and he some laterally significant role in the field of cancer research. Enormously successful leaders who would come home to a daily ritual of a joint (openly smoked in front of us 'laborers').
On the same note, a close family member was an alcoholic from age 19-64, he was the director of architecture at a major state school, president of the board of Fontainbleau, on the board at many NY museums. All the while a 5th+ a day drunk. Plenty of family problems, several wrecked cars, but successful.
Like a gun not killing people, people kill people -- it is not the drug, it is the user. Plenty of people use alcohol and drugs without abusing them, but the light is shone where the dirt lies, so thats what the masses infer.
Agreed Jon on all points. I am not sure you understood my last post which states what you just have, but also points to the fact that I believe/propose that the big guys (who are often associated with violence/crime) will just find or fabricate a new "crop/drug" to deal, which doesn't eliminate the crime and violence, which we all know that generally the local stoner is not participating in. (beatings, large theft, murder ect.)
What I am saying is at the big time dealer level, the crime doesn't exist because the product is illegal. It exists because the people involved are criminals looking to make tons of money the "easy" way. They will always find a product or method to fund their agenda, which is funny because you would think that if their efforts were put forth in a legal business, they would probably be just as successful.
What I am saying is at the big time dealer level, the crime doesn't exist because the product is illegal. It exists because the people involved are criminals looking to make tons of money the "easy" way. They will always find a product or method to fund their agenda, which is funny because you would think that if their efforts were put forth in a legal business, they would probably be just as successful.
I can tell you firsthand, the only surveyors who benefit from anything are those who own companies, and even then they undercut each other until no one makes much money.
Stay in school, kids.
Cocaine, crack, and meth are used by many people, but when they start to be abused, the results are catastrophic.
I don't know of any pot whores (although I have seen people begging for pot). Even the illegal farms are not as violent as coke or meth deals.
Unfortunately, some marijuana, particularly in the Southwest, does come from Mexico in the same channel as cocaine. Then violence can run rampant. However decriminalizing pots means anyone can grow or sell it, which means you can find out exactly where your pot is coming from.
As for something bigger and badder, there is a center for drug research called Amsterdam which is trying to develop a strain of cannabis to blow your mind, once and for all. Many wait and pray.
You try to combine several ideas about consumption, addiction, and your appearance to non-users.
First of all, there are many functioning addicts who smoke pot, drink, or use the hard drugs as well. While Puritans may condemn them, ultimately, if these addicts are able to function adequately, they could easily hide their problems and actually be very successful.
I managed a guy who baked low-grade pot cookies for himself, and he would munch one or two during his shift as a bike mechanic. While he was the hardest working man in the shop, I told him not to supply any to the other employees, including the shop owner, because I didn't want to have to run the shop by myself while everyone else went into the backyard to stare at the sky.
I never drink or smoke while I am working because while I can probably function, I don't enjoy myself. But if others do it and it does not affect their work, I don't have a problem.
Now how would the CIA fund their programs if drugs were properly eliminated or legally distributed??
I think that the real hard core criminals would have a harder time getting sane people to cooperate with them if the laws were not so obviously absurd. Stupid unenforceable and unjust laws breed lawlessness. It's not right to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it's how things seem to work.
In this country maybe, but in many of the countries I deal with there are just a handful of them and they wield amazing monopoly power. Jamaica for example has like 75 registered surveyors, most of whom work off island, for a population of 3,000,000. Most of the million or so parcels on the island are unsurveyed and the land registry is a mess, but it's too expensive to update under the current system. The laws ensure that becoming a surveyor is extremely difficult, and impose impossible accuracy requirements and regulations (centimeter accuracy for boundaries of rural parcels is pretty difficult to achieve even with a good VRS network which they don't have). The surveyors down there and in lots of other countries do real well.
Right or wrong? Fair or unfair? I just want to wish her the best getting through this.
Oh, and for those of you who think drug laws are fair, just keep in mind that marijuana is a schedule I drug per the DEA. This puts it in the same class as PCP, china white, methamphetamines, and of course heroin.
Oh, and for those of you who think drug laws are fair, just keep in mind that marijuana is a schedule I drug per the DEA. This puts it in the same class as PCP, china white, methamphetamines, and of course heroin.
Which schools? The elite schools I went to made me this person.
Jeb Bush's son in my 'homeroom'. Please dont associate 'elite' with liberal.
I am older than you kiddo, and I'd wager a LOT better schooled than you too!!
You still havn't explained how you think that if I think all drugs should be legal that I am then anti-drugs??
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I think she appears in court today no?
I wonder if the news will continue to cover this....
I wonder if the news will continue to cover this....
I think the novelty has worn off....
But with a plea of 'they planted it' on day 1, Expect some more crazy today.
I love teh crazy...
actually, in the 80's, under reagan, the U.S. illegally crop dusted marijuana crops in third world countries, effectively killing the supply in central america (not to mention cancer and birth defects from ground water contamination, but that's beside the point). this created a void in the supply, for the demand of marijuana. it was this void that allowed crack to become widely used. the country of Belize has a huge crack problem, and it is for this exact reason....there was no marijuana to supply the demand of users...thus, crack!
once the normal supply of marijuana was cut off from the inner cities of our own country, poor people (aka, non-white, how convenient) turned to crack, which magically landed on our shores. before they knew crack was such an addictive drug, it was too late. lives were devastated. a new industry was born.
so, in a sense, there were no other options for people to get "high". crack was a cheap and highly addictive alternative.
do you anti-weed people actually think your inner city drug dealer is the one bringing crack and cocaine into our country?
you really think the hustler clockin' on the corner has a jet for trafficking cocaine across the boarder?
where do you think this stuff comes from?
Now how would the CIA fund their programs if drugs were properly eliminated or legally distributed??
^^^exactly. i know it sounds absurd, but this was all well documented during the "Kerry Committee Report", when they investigated the Iran-Contra scandal. our own government was trading weapons for cocaine with Nicaraguan rebels (who trafficked the weapons to Iran). there is a point break in Costa Rica, called Oliver North Point, which is the location of a remote air strip where these deals went down.
sorry for the tangent, but my point is that even our own government is dealing drugs.
whether drugs are legal or not, there will always be a demand and there will always be a supply. so, why not make the one drug that is the least harmful, legally available? undercut the black market, educate and let adults make decisions for themselves without being labeled as criminal.
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Consuming weed is somewhat similar to drinking. You can take just a little rip, and it will have the effect of drinking a beer or two. It is a mistake to assume that marijuana can not be moderated by the user. If I want to take the edge off a long, productive day of work, I might do both, have a beer and a puff. I don't sit down with a huge blunt and get blasted, every time I want to use. Just the same as I don't drink a case of beer or full bottle of vodka, every time i want a drink. It's not as on/off, black/white as many people are making it out to be.
For me, I started drinking first, because it was socially acceptable. But alcohol gives me terrible headaches. I can drink 2 tecates after a ride, and wake up the next morning with a migraine and nausea. something about the majority of alcoholic beverages do not work with my system. that's why i eventually turned to teh herb.
That is also why marijuana use is so widely used amongst top athletes, it has zero calories, it is not detrimental to muscle building like alcohol, and it doesn't negatively effect your body/cells the same way alcohol does.
I just find it strange that this issue is so polarizing. Whether they are legal or not, drugs are drugs. People use them to alter their state of consciousness.
As stated above, where or how do you draw the line? In reality, my first stepping stone drug was probably sugar, in my birthday cake for my 1st birthday. I got jacked on the stuff!
Sugar, caffeine, red bull, muscle stimulants, advil, vicodine, cigarettes, alcohol...all legal drugs.
How can you say something like marijuana, that grows naturally and has been used by people for thousands of years, is any more evil?
Ahh, good to know. So I'm not in the wrong career, just the wrong market...
Damn....between Michael Jackson and Farah Fawcett, we'll never know what happens with this.....
Rumor has it that Missy was trying to get the shipment out to Farah to help ease her pain, obviously it didn't make it. Once Michael found out, it just broke his heart.
too soon. . .
8 year olds.
Did she ever make bail?
It don't matter to jesus.
I heart this thread. The problem with drug legalization discussions is that all of the legalization advocates are such stoners they hurt their own cause by opening their mouths.
I'm all for legalization, but it's never going to happen until the burners learn to keep their mouths shut and let straight-laced lawyers do the talking for them.
edit: oh, and I wish Missy the best. Stupid, stupid move that I hope doesn't ruin the rest of her life. She's cool as **** and was a hero to me circa 92, when I was hauling around deer trails in hiking boots and work gloves on my fully rigid giant.
I'm all for legalization, but it's never going to happen until the burners learn to keep their mouths shut and let straight-laced lawyers do the talking for them.
edit: oh, and I wish Missy the best. Stupid, stupid move that I hope doesn't ruin the rest of her life. She's cool as **** and was a hero to me circa 92, when I was hauling around deer trails in hiking boots and work gloves on my fully rigid giant.
'straight laced lawyers' are the ones doing the most burning.
I think that if you don't REALLY know what's going on INSIDE the culture you're better off staying in the peanut gallery.
It's comments and stereotypes exactly like this that affect the cause. I mean it's obvious in how many states now? That opening our mouths has made a difference.
Really? Please point out one state where drugs are now legal due to users opening their mouths.
in california for cannabis, but only by prescription; don't know the status in other states.
given how political/legal systems generally work, I don't think it could have reached this stage of legality if users were silent although I guess it could be possible.
I'm construing "opening their mouth" as any form of political activism/advocacy.
I think you're already aware of the state of cannabis in cali so maybe you meant something else in your post?
given how political/legal systems generally work, I don't think it could have reached this stage of legality if users were silent although I guess it could be possible.
I'm construing "opening their mouth" as any form of political activism/advocacy.
I think you're already aware of the state of cannabis in cali so maybe you meant something else in your post?
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If 'users' didnt speak up, the current national conversation about legalization would not exist. Legitimate press wouldnt be asking the president about it, and the list goes on...
Since 1996, 8 states have put medical marijuana laws on the books - Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington - Legalization has been a coverpoint for multiple significant newspapers and magazines over the past year - this isnt a coincidence, or the result of some 'straight laced' anybodies actions. Change is not instantaneous - it takes a long time to change people minds, even when the issue is ludicrous. (Say - women voting, slavery, alcohol prohibition - AAAAAND the list goes on.)
It is useful to make a point, or a counterpoint, but to simply question or doubt is worthless.
Since 1996, 8 states have put medical marijuana laws on the books - Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington - Legalization has been a coverpoint for multiple significant newspapers and magazines over the past year - this isnt a coincidence, or the result of some 'straight laced' anybodies actions. Change is not instantaneous - it takes a long time to change people minds, even when the issue is ludicrous. (Say - women voting, slavery, alcohol prohibition - AAAAAND the list goes on.)
It is useful to make a point, or a counterpoint, but to simply question or doubt is worthless.
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Medical usage is not recreational. Morphine is legal for medical use as well. It is not legal for recreational use anywhere in the united states, not is cannabis, meth, heroin etc. End of story. You won't see it legalized anytime soon either.
Should it be? Perhaps if controlled and taxed properly. It would be a fantastic cash crop for the US, both for it's recreational use as well as for it's fibers which are currently under some bizarre embargo. I know many potheads who are far less destructive than most drunks when intoxicated.
However, I know tons of wastes of space who sit around stoned all day and are absolutely worthless. I also know that most Meth/Heroin addicts are complete drains on society. There is a huge difference between something like Cannabis, and something like Heroin or Meth.
Should it be? Perhaps if controlled and taxed properly. It would be a fantastic cash crop for the US, both for it's recreational use as well as for it's fibers which are currently under some bizarre embargo. I know many potheads who are far less destructive than most drunks when intoxicated.
However, I know tons of wastes of space who sit around stoned all day and are absolutely worthless. I also know that most Meth/Heroin addicts are complete drains on society. There is a huge difference between something like Cannabis, and something like Heroin or Meth.
Well put! I have a question that can start a whole nother stew....
If Marijuana were to be legalized, would carrying 400lbs. get you jail time?
Do you just have to have a license to transport that much?
Some of you seem to know alot about the "legalization" of Pot,
What would be the ideal legal situation if Pot became similar to Alcohol in our society?
Just enough for personal? Grow your Own, No transporting?
Sold and Taxed like Alcohol? DUI?
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True, but go try and get a marijuana card and a morphine scrip and see which one is stupidly easy to get.
Wastes of space are wastes of space, regardless of their enabler. Again with the stereotypes. Life is chock full of things that will make you stupider if you let them, whose place is it to judge?
Wastes of space are wastes of space, regardless of their enabler. Again with the stereotypes. Life is chock full of things that will make you stupider if you let them, whose place is it to judge?
Grow it and use it. But the gov would never let that happen without taxing it. I would venture a guess tax would be cheaper than your average illegal bag. Bring on the tax.
Not the case. I know plenty of people who are completely productive until they start smoking, and then they become useless. It isn't a stereotype, it's a fact. Being stoned out of your mind 24/7 is not going to help you become a productive member of society, no matter how much you want to believe it.
And you can bet your ass if it is ever legalized, it will see heavy taxation just like alcohol and tobacco.
It's everyone's place to judge when society in general has to clean up the mess and pay the medical bills and jail time for addicts, be it from tobacco, alcohol, heroin, meth etc. You should be especially interested living in the US with sweeping new health reforms about to take place. It's expensive to pay for lung cancer patients etc.
Multi quote is broked....
I'm sorry but I not only disagree on the first paragraph but I know. I'm not trying to be an ass but I must refer to my earlier post....peanut gallery. If the smokers you know suck, I'm sorry. Facts involve substantiated material, not "this guy I know."
Talk to the government on the third, they have created and/or embraced everyone of those epidemics whether publicly or covertly over the years.
Hey ummmmmm wasnt this thread about Missy and her breaking the law????
Sorry to bring it up...it just hasnt been mentioned in a while
Sorry to bring it up...it just hasnt been mentioned in a while
I guess the weed smokers I know are mostly of a different breed. they're all extremely active hard workers that use the drug to enhance the sport, work, or activity they are performing.
On the other hand... most of the heavy drinkers here in tahoe seem to do just exactly what transcend was speaking of earlier.
What I've observed with people smoking, even the lazy ones, is that there is at least a chance that something constructive may be accomplished.
With people drinking... not a chance, all they'll do is get plastered and tell you and each other the same stories over and over all night, as if everyone was hearing them for the first time.
I have not experienced the type of stoners that you guys speak of, maybe it's just the area I live in. I don't know if I agree with the idea of weed smokers just sitting around doing nothing all day jacking up things like health care expenses. Most of the weed smokers I know are business owners and professional athletes, neither of which position will tolerate a couch potato. Weed is an expensive hobby and you have to make good money to support it, it's similar to being a fine wine enthusiast who purchases expensive bottles. The lazy couch dwellers around here are usually the typical 8 dudes watching tv drinking horribly cheap beer in a can. They can't afford the weed smoking life style, let's keep in mind that it does cost a lot of money.
On the other hand... most of the heavy drinkers here in tahoe seem to do just exactly what transcend was speaking of earlier.
What I've observed with people smoking, even the lazy ones, is that there is at least a chance that something constructive may be accomplished.
With people drinking... not a chance, all they'll do is get plastered and tell you and each other the same stories over and over all night, as if everyone was hearing them for the first time.
I have not experienced the type of stoners that you guys speak of, maybe it's just the area I live in. I don't know if I agree with the idea of weed smokers just sitting around doing nothing all day jacking up things like health care expenses. Most of the weed smokers I know are business owners and professional athletes, neither of which position will tolerate a couch potato. Weed is an expensive hobby and you have to make good money to support it, it's similar to being a fine wine enthusiast who purchases expensive bottles. The lazy couch dwellers around here are usually the typical 8 dudes watching tv drinking horribly cheap beer in a can. They can't afford the weed smoking life style, let's keep in mind that it does cost a lot of money.
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