thaflyinfatman said:
i am confused. how does the "sub-seatstay" (i'll go with this if it is what specialized uses in their literature) create a shorter rear end? the SX Trail frame does not have the sub-seatstay, but it looks to have a short chainstay. how similar are the geometry numbers (the tables on specialzed's website won't come up for me)? it would seem to me that the benefits of the sub-seatstay are increased stiffness and different shock mounting. i am not even sure the shock mounting location is a better option, but i have no engineering background.punkassean said:
the evil imperial has a more forward seat tube and nobody complains about it. same with the kona stab and the cove shocker.bikenweed said:
Uh, no, it has nothing to do with how the bike RIDES unless you're sitting on it. I rarely do that on a DH run. Infinitely more relevant is the position of the BB relative to the bars and axles. And yes rather obviously the actual TT length can be whatever the hell it wants without having anything to to do with wheelbase or chainstay lengths or how long the bike actually feels when you're aboard in a realistic riding position.bikenweed said:
thaflyinfatman said:
Do you pay any attention at all to how many fast racers choose a Demo 8 as their race bike? Guys who could ride pretty much any bike they choose to race yet still choose the Demo 8. I wonder if you consider V10s, M3s, and DHR's race bikes, because I know of guys who had those and are now on Demo 8's because they like them better. Ask Keene and Herndon if their DH bikes feel "goofy" to them. You might have a hard time getting in touch with them though, because they are getting ready for Worlds, which they qualified for on thier goofy little bikes.bikenweed said:
If that's the case, and I won't bother B with asking him about it, I assume the more rearward wheel path would revert to this years numbers as it moved through the travel. Since the wheelbase essentially grows more on a rearward travel bike as it goes into travel initially, it would "grow" to current chainstay length upon actuation?Jeremy R said:
Yeah...people's heads are wrapped around numbers. Ride this bike and talk to me about it later.trumbullrider said:
ease up on Speed Racer. He's one of the nicest guys you'll EVER meet. He is an awesome guy and stoked on his ride. He is far from sponsored. He rides for pleasure only.
whoa buddy, deep breath.
The dude has no sponsors.
No worries,
JK, but seriously!!
When it comes down to the nuts and bolts of it, you're going to go roughly the same speed on pretty well any modern DH bike provided you have time to get used to it and set it up the way you want to. However I like having a bike that's fun to ride and does what I want regardless of whether it really makes much difference to my race times, and if I'm gonna spend several thousand dollars doing it, damn right I'm gonna buy the one that I feel rides the best.
Most of the people on this board cant go fast enough to actually tell if a bike works well for DH anyway. I have ridden and raced quite a few bikes, and the demo isnt perfect, but it a great cornerer and a decent all around performer. It's also probably the best deal for a top end DH bike right now.
not exactly true...... i rode a yeti dh9 for four years and was constantly being held back by it and not riding to my full potential on it. then i hoped on a buddies m1 and felt wayyy better. then i moved onto the next season abroad a sinister r9 and fell in love. i was faster, smoother, and just an all around better rider on it. bikes suspension design, geo, weight, and all that other jazz all add up to how it rides for one person to the next. what might work for one might not work for the next.
He has robots that can kill you at the touch of a button.done...it's early here....oster_oops:
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That was close.
