FTS is *extremely* strong today. I should have gone skiing with @Full Trucker. But no. I had to get re-involved in the shitshow that is work.
Between the broom ball Saturday night and the 5 hours of hot lap skiing yesterday... I wasn’t even sure I could get out of bed this morning, much less ski.FTS is *extremely* strong today. I should have gone skiing with @Full Trucker. But no. I had to get re-involved in the shitshow that is work.
I’ll take that as an imperative.Imma go straight to the point: fuck.
It's only a few trail segments from the sound of it.Re: KTA - once summer rolls around, it will be interesting to see how shutting down KTA to mtb impacts the local economy. If it's like most small towns built around a seasonal, outside source of money, it will start to get impacted about 1/3 of the way through and notably slammed by 2/3 through the season. The local residents will probably laser focus on those individuals for effectively shutting down the local economy. This all depends on how much of the local economy is service driven and how much is of that is driven by mtbers though.
It's only a few trail segments from the sound of it.
The community at large understands what side their breads buttered on and anyone seriously threatening the economic benefits of mtb would likely get run through a wood chipper.
When old money clashes with business interest of the little man, old money always wins.Re: KTA - once summer rolls around, it will be interesting to see how shutting down KTA to mtb impacts the local economy. If it's like most small towns built around a seasonal, outside source of money, it will start to get impacted about 1/3 of the way through and notably slammed by 2/3 through the season. The local residents will probably laser focus on those individuals for effectively shutting down the local economy. This all depends on how much of the local economy is service driven and how much is of that is driven by mtbers though.
Kurt Hansbury - My 2 cents as part of a family that owns another significant portion of a Darling Hill is that we are not surprised. We will work with KT to keep our land open and accessible. Time will tell if bikers learn a lesson.
If KT was smart they’d get out in front of this and tell it like it is.
The owners who have locked out bikers have had a lot of problems with bikers while riding their horses. They are beyond frustrated at the lack of common courtesy they are extended on their own land. To be honest we are too. There’s a percentage of bikers who just don’t get it. All of KT except for 150 acres (we sold to them) is not owned or leased by KT. It is private. Imagine someone standing on your lawn and telling you to fuck off...how does that conversation go?
This is simply a case of 3 landowners with no ties to the local biking economy who have said enough is enough. It has nothing to do with parking, they are not looking to sell their land and they are not looking to leverage any position with KT. They are just tired of the bikers who are rude and disrespectful.
Let this be a lesson to everyone else...you don’t know who you’re talking to or riding past...treat everyone you meet as a potential landowner who can kick you off the property. A day pass doesn’t entitle you to any special treatment. It’s the opposite...a day pass should entitle the landowners to common courtesy and respect.
I guess what I meant to say is "looking for monetary compensation from an activity that brings in significant funds to the community". As in, they want their "cut" of the price of admission. Maybe they're playing hardball to get some more money?doubtful. they're specifically excluding mtb, not withdrawing from KTA.
see my prior comment re: sweet lemonadeI guess what I meant to say is "looking for monetary compensation from an activity that brings in significant funds to the community". As in, they want their "cut" of the price of admission. Maybe they're playing hardball to get some more money?
Then again, maybe they just want all the dirty mountain bikers to go away.
I can't blame those landowners if that is true.I've seen this comment elsewhere
I missed that post. So it was indeed rude people.see my prior comment re: sweet lemonade
You still can... and even better is that Burke is right there. Stay at the lodge or camp and you can ride the bike park. Some of the trails in there are easy enough for kids.I was looking forward to going with my boys again soon.
Imma go straight to the point: fuck.
i will follow up with: shitpiss
According to an empty beer post,It's only a few trail segments from the sound of it.
some friends of mine that live up that way had posted that too.According to an empty beer post,
There goes the neighborhood.According to an empty beer post,
it sucks, but if i had people acting like dicks to me on my land i'd tell 'em to pound sand tooThere goes the neighborhood.
Agreed. I tell people they’re dicks on other people’s land too. KT can be insufferable.it sucks, but if i had people acting like dicks to me on my land i'd tell 'em to pound sand too
So, if I visit the NEK, bring lights.
That’s the message I am getting.
Yes but how else will the bike industry grow and sell more bikes?!That'll pretty effectively kill KT if the map is correct. I don't think it's an asshole biker issue, I think it's the fact that no one has addressed the fact that any trail system has a capacity and things get fucked up if no attention is paid to that issue. NEMBAfest in June this year was a three day traffic jam on the trails.
People on this forum have discussed overcrowding, I think recently with regard to Fruita and Moab. If the larger community fails to address the issue, I think we'll see more closures. It ain't just bikes - the same thing's happening with hikers in the Adirondacks and a number of popular Vermont hiking trails, e.g. Camel's Hump.
I can attest that over the years a lot of complaints have been directed towards mob's of douchy Quebes, clogging intersections, riding like they are racing, passing people inappropriately, all wearing Subway lycra skinsuit. They go there 50+ strong and are entitled little bitches! (aka mountain roadies). Also, if I was the one paying VT taxes on that land and only one prick would call me out or would be disrespectful towards me, my horse, my dog, my pet ant. I would close that land in a minute.I missed that post. So it was indeed rude people.
Then I'll echo whoever it was that said that having this on private land is not a sustainable model. If people pay for access to something, they'll feel entitled to it. With the volume of visitors they receive, not everyone will be aware/sensitive to the land access dynamics. If this were Scotland, then it would be a different discussion, but it's not. It's a bit of a shame to be honest. I was looking forward to going with my boys again soon.
It's true, can always pick the Quebec crowd out due to the lycra.I can attest that over the years a lot of complaints have been directed towards mob's of douchy Quebes, clogging intersections, riding like they are racing, passing people inappropriately, all wearing Subway lycra skinsuit. They go there 50+ strong and are entitled little bitches! (aka mountain roadies). Also, if I was the one paying VT taxes on that land and only one prick would call me out or would be disrespectful towards me, my horse, my dog, my pet ant. I would close that land in a minute.
Cause it's cool to put on the book or the gram, and vanlife it like there is no tomorrow. Most of the people that I know that have been riding for 20+ years avoid KT at all cost.It's true, can always pick the Quebec crowd out due to the lycra.
But it's weird that you mention that, there were lots when we were there. But the riding is arguably just as good or better in Quebec? Why do they go so far?