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SkaredShtles

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LordOpie said:
That's a beautiful idea that Richard Marx, wait Groucho? Eh, someone thought was worthy of writing a whole bunch of them thingies, words on the subject.
Richard Marx was a capitalist pig.

And Groucho was a booze swilling player.

Maybe you're thinking of Max Headroom? :think:
 

black noise

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DirtyMike said:
So does that mean if you come into my work, i am supposed to drop the price because your needy and dont have alot of money???

By the way, Its cool you go and Buy from your LBS. thats good and it supports your local Bussiness's. In turn supports your town, three cheers there. What they give a Locals ten percent? or something like that? Still they knock off 10-15% off retail tehre still making quite the buck, you just feel better about it.
Ideally, yes you would. If I mangle a derraileur before a race I'd get cut a deal, or I would pay later. Assuming you work at a lbs and you know me. Hungry people shouldn't have to starve just because they don't have money.

Yeah, locals get around 10% but I may get more of a discount if I race for them. I realize that they still inflate their prices 200% or so.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
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DirtyMike said:
Well the sign outside my work says Goodyear, Not goodwill. I work for profit.




Hope i am interpretting what your saying right, if not no offense meant
Wouldn't it be wonderful tho if society worked together to make everyone better?
DaveW said:
It's the words (and or the thought processes behind them ) that gains or loses credence, thats what matters not the age of the person for me. :teacher:
amen.
 

DirtyMike

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DaveW said:
It's the words (and or the thought processes behind them ) that gains or loses credence, thats what matters not the age of the person for me. :teacher:

Agreed, its not the age. Its the Uniformed Info about how business works. Its the words speaking about how informed someone is, not there age
 

black noise

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DaveW said:
It's the words (and or the thought processes behind them ) that gains or loses credence, thats what matters not the age of the person for me. :teacher:
You can be my friend.

And everyone slow down!! In the time it takes me to respond 5 new posts come up. And I really should be doing homwork. :wonky2:
 

LordOpie

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DirtyMike said:
Agreed, its not the age. Its the Uniformed Info about how business works. Its the words speaking about how informed someone is, not there age
sounds to me that black noise is more than informed enough about business practices to discuss the subect. Just because some can't grasp his philosophy doesn't mean it's worthless.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
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black noise said:
Ideally, yes you would. If I mangle a derraileur before a race I'd get cut a deal, or I would pay later. Assuming you work at a lbs and you know me. Hungry people shouldn't have to starve just because they don't have money.
You seriously should consider selling your race bike and feeding starving people. :thumb:
 

black noise

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DirtyMike said:
Agreed, its not the age. Its the Uniformed Info about how business works. Its the words speaking about how informed someone is, not there age
Yes, while I am fairly informed on philosophy I admit my knowledge of economics is lacking. I take that class senior year.
 

DirtyMike

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black noise said:
Ideally, yes you would. If I mangle a derraileur before a race I'd get cut a deal, or I would pay later. Assuming you work at a lbs and you know me. Hungry people shouldn't have to starve just because they don't have money.

Yeah, locals get around 10% but I may get more of a discount if I race for them. I realize that they still inflate their prices 200% or so.

Ok, Lets go to the Bike and i know you aspect. You come into my Bike shop and you are a regular, you've Mangled a derailer all to hell and have a race teh next day, But you have no cash. Well if you raced for me, and your business has shown you to be trustworthy and that you are a person of your word, Sure i would drop a hook up on the Pay me when you get the cash, But rest assure, Your going to pay for the part, and i will still make a profit. Your right Hungry people shouldnt starve because they dont have money. There is a company called teh Salvation army, and another called Goodwill, And anotehr called deseret Ind, and so forth who accept donations for stuff like that, but starving people and bikes are Absolutly and completly different aspects of life.
 

LordOpie

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FYI FWIW yada yada...

economics is the philosophy of business. It's not all about econometrics, calculus, crunching, it's also an art. To discuss/argue economics strictly numerically is to lose half the subject.
 

LordOpie

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black noise said:
Yeah. Whenever I drive or dump huge sums of money into my bike I can't help but feel bad.
You'll get over it.

I can walk right buy a starving child begging me for some of my french fries, look her in the eyes and laugh.
 

DirtyMike

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LordOpie said:
FYI FWIW yada yada...

economics is the philosophy of business. It's not all about econometrics, calculus, crunching, it's also an art. To discuss/argue economics strictly numerically is to lose half the subject.

Okies, But the thread wasnt about econ, or philosophy of business. It was about a Moral Issue in which the above mentioned were being used to show that it was Morally ok is all. The kid stepped and said it, he lacks on the economics, hard thing to step up to. But it showed and he was called on it.



And Dude B/N. If you should be doing homework instead of RM. Put your Education first Bro, it will take you alot further in life.
 

DirtyMike

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LordOpie said:
You'll get over it.

I can walk right buy a starving child begging me for some of my french fries, look her in the eyes and laugh.

hahaha Dude i used to hand people outside the store and freeways whatever change i had in my pockets till one day teh guy Gave me back the pennies!!!! Go figure
 

DirtyMike

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LordOpie said:
Yeah or you'll end up changing tires for a living ;)

Haha, I dont chage tires for a living, i charge 80 an hour to Diagnose cars. I tell the guys changing the tires what to do


P.S. thats the differnce between 30 an hour<What i get> and the 6.75<What the tire busters get >
 

black noise

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SkaredShtles said:
And yet.............. you do it. :think:
No, not so much anymore. I'm doing my part to fund the bike industry for sure, but I rarely drive (I have a bike, why use a car?) and I buy from local stores as much as possible. I also volunteer a bunch.

I could be a "real" anarchist and live in a hut eating grubs, sending spare money to hungry people in Africa, but everyone would laugh at me, most would pay no attention to my philosophy, and that would accomplish nothing.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
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black noise said:
No, not so much anymore. I'm doing my part to fund the bike industry for sure
Save it and feed the starving people.

I could be a "real" anarchist and live in a hut eating grubs, sending spare money to hungry people in Africa, but everyone would laugh at me, most would pay no attention to my philosophy, and that would accomplish nothing.
Would a "real" anarchist even care what other people thought? What are you trying to accomplish?
 

DirtyMike

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black noise said:
No, not so much anymore. I'm doing my part to fund the bike industry for sure, but I rarely drive (I have a bike, why use a car?) and I buy from local stores as much as possible. I also volunteer a bunch.
.

Thats good, you know enough to support what is important to you, and volunteering to help Needy can Help shape the character of who you are and will become as you approam the Impending doom of Adulthood. Now get back to your homework<Smiles>
 

LordOpie

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SkaredShtles said:
Would a "real" anarchist even care what other people thought? What are you trying to accomplish?
The only true anarchist on the planet is Ricky Williams, RB Miami Dolphins.
 

black noise

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SkaredShtles said:
Save it and feed the starving people.


Would a "real" anarchist even care what other people thought? What are you trying to accomplish?
No to the first part, other parts of my budget will be cut before my bike fund.

And to the second, I don't know how learned you are in true anarchist philosophy but from that statement it appears not much. Yes, a real anarchist would. By not driving I'm not funding oil companies, which also stops funding their practices in poor oil-rich countries. I'm also not supporting sprawl, pollution, obesity, and the isolation associated with cars. I'm also not funding the cloning of america by not buying at Starbuck, Taco Bell, etc. I also set an example for others to do the same.
 

justsomeguy

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black noise said:
By not driving I'm not funding oil companies, which also stops funding their practices in poor oil-rich countries.
Damn, this is a funny thread. So we now have an admission about the lack of even a cursory understanding of economics (big surprise) and now we're into "personal philosophy."

How is having your dad drive you to races/shuttling you (wait, that's increasing pollution when you could have done the right thing for the planet and ridden up!) any different than you driving yourself? Additionally, why are you allowing him to fund your hotel rooms when that money could be put to better use by helping needy people rather than funding yet another evil recreational activity?

What kind of example are you setting?
 

Changleen

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Transcend said:
I've studied communism extensively, as well as the current situations in post communist societies in eastern europe. Communism doesn't work. The only way it would work is with PURE communism, which will never happen thanks to good old fashioned human nature.
Wow, you really are quite smart eh? :D
 

black noise

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justsomeguy said:
Damn, this is a funny thread. So we now have an admission about the lack of even a cursory understanding of economics (big surprise) and now we're into "personal philosophy."

How is having your dad drive you to races/shuttling you (wait, that's increasing pollution when you could have done the right thing for the planet and ridden up!) any different than you driving yourself? Additionally, why are you allowing him to fund your hotel rooms when that money could be put to better use by helping needy people rather than funding yet another evil recreational activity?

What kind of example are you setting?
God you're confrontaional.
I admit that driving to and spending lots of money on races is very hypocritical. But it's the one thing in life that I really love to do and I refuse to give it up. Plus there's no real alternative to getting from Santa Cruz to Fontana with a bike and loads of gear.

That said, driving to races and driving to jumps or trails 20 miles away is, with few exceptions, the extent of my driving. I try to ride my bike everywhere in town. Bikes are not an evil recreational activity, they're a practical way of getting around for me and give me much more independence than driving. If everyone rode their bikes for their trips under 5 miles, that would have quite an impact on pollution, environmental destruction, and car accidents, to name a few things.

So anyway, feel free to chime in, but it seems like you have more fun jumping in every few minutes to criticize me.
 

black noise

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Sanjuro, I am in no way an advocate of state communism like China or the USSR. That's why I said communist/anarchist to emphasize that I support freedom (and a pure free market) as well.
 

black noise

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DirtyMike said:
Hey is this gonna be the new record holder for the thread that jsut wont stop??? Like the BMW Porn thread in the DH forum???? Come on All lets see if we can make this a 300 page thread
I would have stopped until justsomeguy came in again. I thought we had it all wrapped up and everything.
 

sanjuro

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black noise said:
Sanjuro, I am in no way an advocate of state communism like China or the USSR. That's why I said communist/anarchist to emphasize that I support freedom (and a pure free market) as well.
Biking under Anarchy:

 

DirtyMike

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black noise said:
That's why I said communist/anarchist to emphasize that I support freedom (and a pure free market) as well.

That statement right there Ends the entire arguement. Freedom, its what our soldiers are fighting for as we speak/type. Freedom to make money, freedom to ride, freedom to Drive to a race, freedom to sit up dismissing homework for ridemonkey, freedom to bounce back and forth, and yes freedom to MAKE A PROFIT. Freedom to make a choice, freedom that Most take for granted, freedom to live!!
Freedom to go to a bar, get piss drunk and go home with a total heffer, freedom to make fun of your friend who did so, Freedom to whatever, And freedom to GET BACK TO THE HOMEWORK!!!!!. Sorry i had to add that!!