[Ridemonkey]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3752075.stm

Bush administration interfering with democracy in Oregon. What is the point in voting again?

I want Bush's moral agenda out of my state.

 

[BurlyShirley]

i think people should be aloud to commit suicide if the want, whether theyre terminally ill or not, so long as theyre in a proper state of mind to make the decision and wont cost anyone any money.

 

[Tenchiro]

Didn't you hear, apparantly we are a theocracy now. Voting has been deemed unpatriotic.

Personally I would be suprised if they didn't try something like this, the supreme court tried to overturn it in 98 when it was first passed.

 

[zod]

I think blocking assisted suicide (for me anyhow) has a lot less to do with morals and more to do with future complications. There are many arguments that opening up to PAS will lead to a time when doctors will actually decide who should live or die instead of it being a personal or family decision. That's my greatest fear of physician assisted suicide. For instance, I have a grandmother who is old and very sick, she is in a home. It should be her decision is she should have PAS, but a time may come when the doctors would make that decision for her. Opening up to assisted suicide opens a big can of worms and in my opinion religion has just a little to do with it.
Suicide is legal in every state in the US, if you wanna die then simply kill yourself. Now I know some people are in such bad condition that they can't even do that, but PAS still scares me from a BIG BROTHER stand point. If you think that government is controlling your choices now by banning PAS you might think differently if/when they can choose who lives and who dies without consent.

 

[BostonBullit]

yea....BAD BUSH! wonder what floppies position on this matter is....wonder what it will be tomorrow

if you want to commit suicide you should be able to, if a doctor wants to give you the drugs to do it then great! but the doc should not be able to administer the drugs that kill you, just too many issues pop up there. of course I don't trust doctors any more than I trust used car salesman so....

 

[Ridemonkey]

Originally posted by BostonBullit
yea....BAD BUSH! wonder what floppies position on this matter is....wonder what it will be tomorrow

if you want to commit suicide you should be able to, if a doctor wants to give you the drugs to do it then great! but the doc should not be able to administer the drugs that kill you, just too many issues pop up there. of course I don't trust doctors any more than I trust used car salesman so....

You can think whatever you want, but the voters in this state already resolved this issue.

 

[jimmydean]

I like the idea of PAS because for the ones who decide, it may be the only option other than live out the rest of their life in pain.

Also, you might look at it as a loophole for people who want to die and still have the option of going to heaven. I was told if you kill yourself, you can't go to heaven. But if a doctor does it...

 

[Skookum]

Originally posted by zod
If you think that government is controlling your choices now by banning PAS you might think differently if/when they can choose who lives and who dies without consent.

explain what you are talking about, is this just a slippery slope argument, and how do you see what you are talking about happening?
If you make a choice to die with dignity then you talk it over, sign on the dotted line, and get out from suffering. Unless your frikkin brain dead, maybe then a doc might take liberties, more power to em if i happen to be the one plugged in.
I don't know anyone else's situation, but i've had to deal with close family with terminal illness. For those who haven't been thru it, it is hard to imagine how difficult it is to deal with at the final stages. If i ever get old and that sick, hell yah i want a choice, it's a responsible decision.
And with Bush administration it's all about religion...... walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

 

[Skookum]

Originally posted by Ridemonkey
You can think whatever you want, but the voters in this state already resolved this issue.

correct the main issue here is the amusing notion that a the Republican power is all about professing less government, unless of course they disagree with it, then all bets are off.

 

[BostonBullit]

Originally posted by Ridemonkey
You can think whatever you want, but the voters in this state already resolved this issue.

if it's a voter approved measure then I'm all for letting it happen, that's the way the system should work. The problem here is that the voters of the state of Oregon can't vote to go against Federal law. Ashcroft tried to interpret the federal controlled substances law in his favor (suprise) and the court said "no". If the Supreme Court were to read the law differently than the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and rule that doctors in OR are illegally prescribing drugs then the OR law is moot....

wacky system we have here eh? we've come a looong way from the original States Rights thing our forefathers setup for us....which is a bummer...

 

[Silver]

Bush conservatives are only for states rights when it comes to prayer, public money to religious groups, or discrimination.

If it happens to be medicinal marijuana or assisted suicide, no fvcking way...

 

[BostonBullit]

Originally posted by Silver
Bush conservatives are only for states rights when it comes to prayer, public money to religious groups, or discrimination.

If it happens to be medicinal marijuana or assisted suicide, no fvcking way...

and the same can be said for liberal democrats, they are all about federal "help" until the feds want to stop something like gay marraige, then it's all "WHAT HAPPENED TO STATES RIGHTS?!"

both parties suck, stop acting like republicans have the monopoly on acting like politicians

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by BostonBullit

both parties suck, stop acting like republicans have the monopoly on acting like politicians

Which party has the President, and a majority in the house and the senate?

I'll give you a hint, it ain't the Democrats. When John Kerry starts giving federal money to faith based groups and sends in the DEA to arrest people with MS using marijuana, I'll still be bitching, don't worry. I don't have a party affiliation at all.

 

[zod]

Originally posted by BostonBullit
"WHAT HAPPENED TO STATES RIGHTS?!"

Excellent question!
The federal government has gotten completely out of control and it has little to do with political party alignment. I think it is utterly crazy that the LARGE majority of my tax money goes to the feds instead of my own state. The federal government should be secondary and minimalistic. We are slowly becoming less and less of a Republic and more Socialist. If I wanted to live in a socialist environment I'd move to Europe.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Ridemonkey
You can think whatever you want, but the voters in this state already resolved this issue.

until an activist judiciary overturns the "ignorance of the unwashed masses".

propositions 22 or 187 ring any bells? (i know it's cali, but who's to say OR can't follow in kind)

 

[SebringMGB]

 

[splat]

The problem with PAS is opens a Door , and not one I'm sure we really want to have opened.

here is the next scenirio. Person in Bad accident , heavy Brain Damage , person has the intelligence of a turnup, person though is in extreame pain and will be for the rest of it's life. the Family feels that Wthis person would not want to live out the rest of there life this way. and the family asks the Doctor to let "them Die with Grace and Dignity " which is how they had been leading there life up to that point.

and then it just continues on and on. and the fear is it will lead to uthanasia (sp ?) and That a Mother Gives Birth to a Seaverly retarted deformed Baby, and this Child will do nothing but burden socity and will contribute nothing back so .............


and enough with the ethical side from the buisness side the problem with PAS that I see is when the insurance companies decide to get involved.

I can see it now form the Insurance Company.

your not going to get better , your only going to suffer for rest of your life , we will pay only so much as for Assited Suicide after that your on your own . good bye.


just my 2 cents