Totally!I think Trek somehow just went head to head with Foes pricing, which I never thought was possible.
I agree, and in in addition its hard to see Downhill Mountain bikes becoming main stream. It is a fringe aspect of our sport and always will be.
Why!!!?>?
I wonder if they are getting the DW???????????
What would appeal to me and make me feel good is saving getting a top end bike for 1-2k less than I can now so i can afford gas to do shuttle runs and drive to northstar and mammoth more. As much as I love reading about bikes and such, I like riding mine more
Fair enough, but high-end bikes don't come in at the $2K price point. That would be a mid range bike. Which to comment on this thread, I would expect Trek to be pitching its 88 at.What would appeal to me and make me feel good is saving getting a top end bike for 1-2k less than I can now so i can afford gas to do shuttle runs and drive to northstar and mammoth more. As much as I love reading about bikes and such, I like riding mine more
The floating shock will decrease load through the pivot area since it is now split between 2 points rather than one fixed and another moving. It is also supposed to make for a more active initial stroke. I like the look of the bike, but would want to ride one. I don't see how Specialized can come out with a bike at that price point and similar weight and all is cool, but Trek does it and they're out of their mind. I know that I like what I see.whats the big deal about this bike? no different than a single pivot with a floater or fsr type.
i did have ideas about building a axle pivot design just like this some time ago but stayed with the fsr setup till now, dont know how something so simple like this can be patented?
and to give it a cool marketing name is just a crack up, laugh every time i read it.
i wonder how long this light DH frame thing is going to last? maybe as long as the frames?
oh and that floating shock thing WTF, why put more load through the pivot area than you need to?
whats the big deal about this bike? no different than a single pivot with a floater or fsr type.
i did have ideas about building a axle pivot design just like this some time ago but stayed with the fsr setup till now, dont know how something so simple like this can be patented?
and to give it a cool marketing name is just a crack up, laugh every time i read it.
i wonder how long this light DH frame thing is going to last? maybe as long as the frames?
oh and that floating shock thing WTF, why put more load through the pivot area than you need to?
whats the big deal about this bike? no different than a single pivot with a floater or fsr type.
i did have ideas about building a axle pivot design just like this some time ago but stayed with the fsr setup till now, dont know how something so simple like this can be patented?
and to give it a cool marketing name is just a crack up, laugh every time i read it.
i wonder how long this light DH frame thing is going to last? maybe as long as the frames?
oh and that floating shock thing WTF, why put more load through the pivot area than you need to?
I didn't say 2k, i said 2k less. I'd be happy if my bike as it stood was 3k instead of 5k. :'(. Oh well, maybe someday. Maybe I should start riding pedal trails instead of shuttle or lift trails.
What makes you thing these bikes are not hand built? Do you really think they have a robot welding these things up?
by removing the added stresses of having a shock mounted to the front triangle, you can make the front triangle lighter. Enough to offset the increase in weight needed to sufficiently strengthen the pivots/pivot area.oh and that floating shock thing WTF, why put more load through the pivot area than you need to?
What makes you think they are? only a handful of trek bikes are made by hand, and those are the full carbon bikes for their team riders (because they are, to the best of my knowledge, one offs). At least that was the status as of 2005 when I worked at a Trek dealer.
When you refer to "all high end MTB's are done by hand" are you referring to Trek's offerings, or across the industry? Since I worked at a Trek Dealer, a lot more of the high end MTB (and road) offerings from Trek have shifted to carbon. Granted I was incorrect to state that their only their team riders get hand made frames, I've been out of the loop on Trek. I was never particularly interested in them in the first place.
if you'd have poured water on that Asian guy...you'd have found your robot.
No, but I have seen them eat lunch and then nap. Robots don't eat noodle soup or bandsaw chicken.
The 88 is hand built too... so is every other bike...
Apparently it fell off the scale while being weighted and it hit something on the ground.Valid or not, Ive seen all kind of frame denting , the Session isnt worst than any of them.
I have seen all kinds of frames dented by fork bumpers. Happens when you crash. Time the industry finally agrees on a fork stop standard that integrates it into the frames and forks.
I believe Lapierre is already doing this...and yes company should start making an integrated stop fork thingy...
All frames I am aware of are made by hands. Different bikes are just made by hands in different countries. Show me a bike that was not built by hand...
