http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15704030/site/newsweek/
I don't even want to cut and paste what they are talking about.
More Vicious Than Rape
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Yeah the UN. What a bunch of assholes.
Thank god we have more important things to focus our energies on right now.
Thank god we have more important things to focus our energies on right now.
I thought Bolton handled the UN. Now they are a lean ass kicking machine, no?
I'm not worried about these women anyways. They obviously need to pray more. I pray ever day, and God treats me much better than they get...
(Anyways, long story short, this is why banning the death penalty totally isn't a good idea. Some people are rabid animals that simply need to be summarily shot.)
castration.
Normally I'd try to come up with some sort of quip regarding the moon and uranus or something but I don't think that is appropriate here. I can't imagine how much pain those women must be in.
Not enough... sphincter removal might be just.
I really don't want to google or wiki this at work....so.... Can men have this done to them? Cause I think "an eye for an eye" would be quite fitting in this context....
It's just a muscle. Surely it could be removed. (optimally with a rusty butter knife.)
No, no, no....not actually have it removed. However, the rusty butter knife is a good option. But get the same injury that they give the women. Can that happen to a male? I would think it would be possible, since the bladder is in roughly the same place.
Anything is possible.
Why the fvck are we wasting time in Iraq again? Oh yeah - these poor people have no oil beneath them.
There is little corporate profit to be had in helping out those people, so they're on their own.
It would pretty much suck to get shot in the vagina.
Actually I think the appropriate tool for this job is the Jarvis Pneumatic bung hole expander.Anything is possible.
Why the fvck are we wasting time in Iraq again? Oh yeah - these poor people have no oil beneath them.
It can expand up to 1200 bung holes an hour and does not require skilled labour.
Sand is bad enough
So, this article was probably the worst thing I've ever read.
What can we do other than fly to the eastern congo with cattle implements?
When Sendero Luminoso was pulling **** like this in Peru and the government couldn't staff police stations in the mountains, they basically just handed out guns to all the villages and organized civil defense squads called rondas. There was some controversy internationally because people felt the government was forcing the peasants to do a dangerous job that should belong to the state. However, if I were stuck in the middle of nowhere facing down a bunch of armed dudes trying to torture/rape/kill me, I'd rather have a gun thanks very much.
At least these poor people could go down fighting rather than just waiting to be abducted and violated.
What can we do other than fly to the eastern congo with cattle implements?
When Sendero Luminoso was pulling **** like this in Peru and the government couldn't staff police stations in the mountains, they basically just handed out guns to all the villages and organized civil defense squads called rondas. There was some controversy internationally because people felt the government was forcing the peasants to do a dangerous job that should belong to the state. However, if I were stuck in the middle of nowhere facing down a bunch of armed dudes trying to torture/rape/kill me, I'd rather have a gun thanks very much.
At least these poor people could go down fighting rather than just waiting to be abducted and violated.
The problem is the cycle that was pointed out in the article. Young men and boys witness this happen to the women in their families and then join or create militias to enact revenge using the same methods. Arming them would just arm the militias.
I'm ****ing nauseous, by the way. It is unconscionable that the UN and member states (including us) have not committed to ending this violence.
I see what you're saying, but this is one of the many places in the world where the safest place to be is in the middle of the militia camp. Its the totally unarmed and defenseless civilians - women and childeren - who bear the brunt of the violence, and the only way to stop that cycle short of occupying the country and shooting anybody who looks at you funny (our current policy in Iraq and Afghanistan) is to put the militias and the people on more equal terms so that they can resolve their own conflict.
Unfortunately, this world is short on warm bodies willing to go to deepest darkest Africa and insert themselves into ongoing civil wars. I can't say I blame them. The people there now flee as soon as they get the chance.
I know people are going to say that by arming civilians "you're just creating more militias and therefore more violence," but as the article mentions, the people with guns are afraid of confronting other people with guns and would much rather go after enemies who pose no danger.
By providing these women with the means to defend themselves, I really do think the nastier militias would be unable to sustain their predatory behavior.
And how would you propose they solve this problem? And the hundreds of other situations just like this all throughout the world? Sit everyone in a giant circle and say "Come on...".
No, it's going to take violence, and military force, and it will cost lives. Something that the civilized world is not willing to deal with anymore. So the UN, and nations that would do something, are forced to sit back and pass "Resolutions". Which are nothing more than resolutions to do nothing.
A well supported NATO force that summarily shot anyone with a weapon. Anyone in a milita uniform? You get shot. Carrying a machete around in the city? Shot. Have a gun? You better believe you're going to get your ass shot.
The one nice thing about "They don't have any oil!" is that no one cares when you go in to try to fix things. Unfortunately, there is zero political will to do this here or in Europe...so maybe my sarcastic first response is the best we can do: Tell the people in the Congo to pray harder. Jesus saves so we don't have to.
Do you think air dropping 18 year old kids who don't know or care about the conflict into congo will improve the situation? It may seem callous, but I for one am glad that my leaders ask themselves "what will this produce, what will it cost?" My problem is with their judgement in these matters more than their intentions. Maybe stopping this war would be great for our image in the world or whatever, I'm not going to get in to that since I think the governments of the west are neither able nor inclined to intervene there. . .
But that doesn't mean we cant do anything.
The plan is simple: everybody go out and buy a handgun and a box of ammo, paint the thing pink so no man would want it, and we'll pool money to get a smuggler to distribute them to women in the war zone. I kinda doubt the guy I know at Doctors Without Borders would bring them in with the medical supplies unfortunately.
Anybody know what the pistol caliber of choice is in Francofone Africa?
Hell at least they've been involved. How many americans you think are still there voluntarily through the red cross etc vs how many could be there if our country made this an issue and didn't have it's head up its ass. (And I don't mean just the government).
Unfortunately our aid is tied to wonderful things like abstinence education. Ours is a culture of life you see.
i actually think those militia campesinos are war heroes. i have a lot of respect for that people.
a lot of housekeepers in my house were displaced young women from those areas, and they could tell you pretty disturbing stories.
if there is peace it has to do a crapload with them.
was the solution problematic and nasty? yes.
was it any worse than the problem it was "solving"? no.
were there realistically better solutions within reach in the real world? hardly.
thats good enough for me.
Exactly. Sendero Luminoso/Shining Path was one brutal organization. There are plenty of stories about them killing parents in front of childeren and then making them join the movement. Very similar conflict actually. Dispersed villages left defenseless in the midst of a very complicated civil war.
I can't get this story out of my head. Truly disturbing. It is going to take a few beers for me to get to bet tonight.
Having worked NATO missions, I will tell you firsthand that NATO is not the solution. Confusion, a dorked up chain of command and ridiculous rules of engo thagement are the norm. They would only add to the problem, not unlike the UN...
You think having medical staff or a military peace keeping staff there adds to the problem? If not what do you mean?
After a few beers, I start to like the story.
dreaming of being as hung as them congonians?
fair point.
I'm no expert.
how about you're not allowed to have both a gun and a penis at the same time? Guns go to women, or dudes who have cut off their units.
I know this is probably weird to read.....
but I'm not shocked.
After everything I have read about foot binding, genital mutiliation, rape..... all of that horrid nasty stuff used to control women...
I am not shocked that some geniuses think this is a good idea.
And I probably won't be shocked when someone comes up with another more torturous way to do things.
Do we send money? Will it get in the wrong hands? Do we quit our jobs and join a charity mission over there? How do we help?
but I'm not shocked.
After everything I have read about foot binding, genital mutiliation, rape..... all of that horrid nasty stuff used to control women...
I am not shocked that some geniuses think this is a good idea.
And I probably won't be shocked when someone comes up with another more torturous way to do things.
Do we send money? Will it get in the wrong hands? Do we quit our jobs and join a charity mission over there? How do we help?
There's the rub right there. The world's first response of course is apathy. Then they'll trying throwing money at the problem. That won't work because the money seems to never get to the people that need it the most. Use of force, be it UN, Nato, or US Troops, will in all likelihood be ineffective as trying to figure out who needs protecting and who needs to be "eliminated" will be a blurry bloody mess.
I imagine if one did the research these various tribes have been killing and mutilating each other since before recorded time. How do you stop this kind of cyclical violence?
the mathematical solution is to kill everyone.
this was tried in sierra leone in operation no living thing
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Not like this, no.
Speaking of which......what the hell's belgium's stance on this mess?
I believe they've brewed a special King Leopold witbier to send to the Congo to help them celebrate their recent election.
That's about what I figured.